Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

[ThisPinkWyvern]

Under Trump's transgender policy, which echoes the ideology of the Gender Critical Movement, trans women are men and trans men are women. This view denies and rejects as worthless and baseless the lived experience of millions of men and women in the US who identify as trans. As a result of having their lived experience of themself ignored and denied by law, millions of trans men as well as trans women are now experiencing deep psychological trauma and living in abject fear and terror in the US. Many are trying to leave the country because they are so terrified.

The almost total silence of the Gender Critical Movement and it's supporters about the effect that it's ideology has had on those hundreds of thousand of women who self identify as men is deafening.It's whole argument about banning trans women from female public toilets and other ' women only spaces' is based on the argument that denying trans women the right to access these spaces is needed to protect the safety of women and girls. Given the fear, terror and trauma that hundreds of thousands of women( trans men) are now experiencing in the US, as a result of the government putting into practise Gender Critical Movement ideology, the sense of safety and well-being of hundreds of thousands of women has been devastated. This makes the infinitesimally small number of cases where women have been or ever would be assaulted by a trans woman in a women only space pale into insignificance by comparison.

In short, the Gender Critical Movement is directly responsible for harming the well being of hundreds of thousands of WOMEN according to it's own ideology.The damage done by implementing it's ideology makes a sickening mockery of it's claim that it's ideology protects the safety of women and girls.

When the number of men( trans women) in the US who are now living in fear and terror in the US is taken into account as well, the Gender Critical Movement and all those who support it are directly responsible for terrorising millions of people. It is impossible to claim that we are supporting women's rights and protecting the safety of women if we support the Gender Critical Movement.

It is having one's lived experience denied that is responsible for the psychological trauma. It is bring gaslighted about the most fundamental aspect of one's being. Everytime the wrong pronoun is used, everytime a gender designation appears on an identity document that conflicts with an individuals innate experience of themself, everytime the individual has to walk into a changing room, public toilet, or hospital ward that conflicts with their innate experience of themself, every time they are referred to by a given name that conflicts with their innate experience of their self, a transgender person is being gaslit and emotionally abused

People who have narcissistic personality disorder (another mental disorder listed in the DSM) have a grandiose sense of self and believe they are entitled to special treatment because of it. It is their lived experience that they are god-like and special and they do genuinely become quite upset and angry if they aren’t treated in keeping with how they see themselves.
Should we play along?

But this issue goes far beyond Trump

“they do genuinely become quite upset and angry if they aren’t treated in keeping with how they see themselves.”

Like those videos of men shouting “It’s Ma’am”?

you can’t change your sex so what has been stated is fact

the mistake was to allow people who are delusional to believe everyone else accepts their delusion as truth

to accept some people desire to be the opposite sex and have empathy and to accept that they actually are becuase they desire to be is not the same thing

This.

I am extremely fortunate to never has experienced serious sexual abuse or rape (like many women I have been ‘groped’ mind you)

I read a thread on the relationships board the other week about women sharing their stories about the men in their life abusing, assaulting, raping and spying on them growing up. They were their dads, step dads, brothers, step brothers, grandfathers, uncles etc. It was heartbreaking. All this happened simply because these men had easy access to their victims. It’s all about opportunity. Allow more men access to women and these numbers will inevitably increase.
And imagine being one of those women? The ones whose fathers drilled holes in the bathroom door or insisted on no locks so they could watch them showering or bathing? Of course they would be uncomfortable with a man having access to their spaces!

And to the ones who say that it’s transphobic to not want men in women’s spaces - do any of you have daughters?
Past a certain age your kids don’t need you to accompany them to the toilet. Let’s say you had a ten year old daughter and she went off to the loo and you watched a 6ft bloke in a dress go in after her, would you rest easy? Or be really uncomfortable with it? What if three 6ft men in dresses went in after her? Or 5? I can guarantee even you have a limit

Precisely! The point being that as far as I can tell, gender dysphoria is the only mental disorder that is treated by confirming and playing along with the sufferers delusions.

Do we treat those with anorexia by agreeing that they are overweight?
What about those with DID - do we tell them all of indentities they carry are real and individual people?

Aside from everything else, I don't think I've ever heard from a transwoman who sounds like they've had a 'female lived experience', what is this nonsense? What is a female lived experience, how are you defining that? You're expecting to build laws around a fantasy, since when do we do that?

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Be whatever "I" you want to be. Just leave me out of it.
I don't owe you validation.
I, especially, don't owe you the right to dictate my identity in order to validate your own.

I am just a woman. I am not a non-trans woman/female. I am not a CIS woman/female. I am not a Cis gendered heteronormative female. Nor am I any other remix of these things and certainly not called so in order to allow men to call themselves just "woman".

Oh, and this no penis=female thing. If we are talking about genitals only, and completely ignoring the existence of chromosomes, I think you will find VAGINA=female. Barring illness, disfunction, accident, injury and developmental issues women have a vagina, not just lack of penis.

You completely erase females altogether with that one. Your example equates to man or not-a-man, completely ignoring all other female sex characteristics.

I am a woman. I am not a "not-a-man". There's a lot more going on than just a lack of penis.

You are dragging it all down to dick or no dick.

So much of the trans ideological argument is little more than misogyny mixed with homophobia.

In many countries, we had a nice moment where you could be gender nonconforming and be left alone. Now, you have people pushing the gender nonconformist to take hormones and get surgery. It's like some kind of conversation therapy to pressurise people, who don't conform to shallow stereotypes, admit they're actually the opposite gender.

Eddie Izzard became popular as a man wearing womens clothing. Nobody batted an eyelid. Now, he must be a woman. Even Eddie has bought in to it now, even though he made many routines and statements about the fact he was still a man underneath the dresses and makeup.

Why can't we simply let people be gay, lesbian, bi, etc. Let them wear what they want and just leave them be without trying to pathologise them and fill them full of drugs.

and yet the gender Identity side is based firmly in stereotypes.

Could you post an example of the hate please?

Given that they have failed to define gender, Its going to take the a while to redefine what "hate" means, other than that its a view that they disagree with.

They haven't. You are spot on.

There is no logical possibility that they have ever had an experience as a 'female' because there life is only ever lived as a male and for some of that life, a male who has a belief that they are female, that doesn't reflect material reality.

I see. So I became the scapegoat for other's actions?

Again, good to know this so that I understand the accusations and the laughing reaction emoji.

It's mindblowingly misogynistic.

Nevermind the lived experience of the women on here who have experienced sexual assault and rape.

It's all about protecting the male people who declare themselves 'women'.

We can abso-fucking-lutely see who the men are, can't we?

It is indeed.

OP - are you trans?

Because I am. And I'm asking you to stop. Just stop and think about the reality of things for a moment.

You're not helping the trans community, you're genuinely doing more harm than good.
Regardless of treatment or surgery - I will always be a woman. I've changed my name and title. My post gets delivered to "Mr ChangedUsername". I wear mens clothing, mens deodorant, mens aftershave. I shave my face and chest. My social media states that I'm male. I have a piece of paper that states I am my Wife's Husband.
But my medical record? That states that I'm female. That I was born with the name A and changed it to B and that I have been diagnosed - key word there - with gender dysphoria.

And I'm fine with that. Because it's a necessity. Because if anything happens to me and I need life saving treatment in hospital, I'd want them to give me the correct medication for the sex I am.

But all this - the pronouns and the "trans people are biologically the sex they wish to be" - it's ridiculously harmful to those of us who are trans and just want to get on with our lives quietly. We look like a joke.

This isn't caused by GC people. It's caused by the trans community screaming from the rooftops that they demand the world agrees with them and changes everything around to accommodate them - even if that takes from others and endangers the safety of women and children.

As for the mental trauma of being misgendered. I get it. Honestly, I do. But it isn't up to the whole world to change to accommodate trans people. You have to work on yourself, and get to a place where you can cope with your own life.
Yesterday I got a parcel delivered from Amazon. The man handed it to me and said "Here you go sweetheart, have a good day."
I didn't scream or shout, or demand he uses my pronouns. I said "Thank you, you too." And strangely, life went on.

Nope you are responsible for your own actions.

OP. Yes, you are, in fact, being unreasonable.

HTH.

Can I ask, what is the solution that you, personally, would like to see proposed?

Because we have heard from other female transgender people, but it is always useful to hear from as many as possible. Even if we don’t agree, but fully understand each other’s position and identify what is misinformation.

And I am talking about the laughing emoji reaction that is hidden from everyone else's view on a post that was not humorous at all. Just a form of hidden bullying.

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Given that they have failed to define gender, Its going to take the a while to redefine what "hate" means, other than that its a view that they disagree with.

The Earth is flat

"No it's not, it's a spheroid."

Waaahh! Why do you hate me?! Why do you want me to die?!!

You’ve already mentioned this several times . Think this is the third time now you’ve raised it. Yes i laughed with a silly emoji on one of your posts that amused me. “Hidden bullying” is no worse than open mocking which is what you engage in.