Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

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Under Trump's transgender policy, which echoes the ideology of the Gender Critical Movement, trans women are men and trans men are women. This view denies and rejects as worthless and baseless the lived experience of millions of men and women in the US who identify as trans. As a result of having their lived experience of themself ignored and denied by law, millions of trans men as well as trans women are now experiencing deep psychological trauma and living in abject fear and terror in the US. Many are trying to leave the country because they are so terrified.

The almost total silence of the Gender Critical Movement and it's supporters about the effect that it's ideology has had on those hundreds of thousand of women who self identify as men is deafening.It's whole argument about banning trans women from female public toilets and other ' women only spaces' is based on the argument that denying trans women the right to access these spaces is needed to protect the safety of women and girls. Given the fear, terror and trauma that hundreds of thousands of women( trans men) are now experiencing in the US, as a result of the government putting into practise Gender Critical Movement ideology, the sense of safety and well-being of hundreds of thousands of women has been devastated. This makes the infinitesimally small number of cases where women have been or ever would be assaulted by a trans woman in a women only space pale into insignificance by comparison.

In short, the Gender Critical Movement is directly responsible for harming the well being of hundreds of thousands of WOMEN according to it's own ideology.The damage done by implementing it's ideology makes a sickening mockery of it's claim that it's ideology protects the safety of women and girls.

When the number of men( trans women) in the US who are now living in fear and terror in the US is taken into account as well, the Gender Critical Movement and all those who support it are directly responsible for terrorising millions of people. It is impossible to claim that we are supporting women's rights and protecting the safety of women if we support the Gender Critical Movement.

What is interesting is when understand that there are more than two, male/ female biological genders in humans , this helps understand better how for example, gender isn’t always binary. It is more diverse

"Gender" is a social construct based on sex. Sex is binary. There are only two sexes, and humans cannot change from one to the other.

Hi. This is also an article about intersex in humans. https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/gender-identity/sex-gender-identity/whats-intersex

Please stop posting lies, educate yourself. There is only TWO (2) biological sexes. Intersex are either male OR female. They are not a third sex.

What is interesting is when understand that there are more than two, male/ female biological genders in humans , this helps understand better how for example, gender isn’t always binary.
Gender can be anything you like because it's made up bollocks, sex is binary.

And this is the fundamental issue with self id.

How do you tell the difference between a transwoman and a man wearing a dress in order to access vulnerable women in their safe spaces. Why is a rapist in trousers a danger but a rapist in a skirt and a bit of lippy is safe. Not all men are predators but some are and if the only criteria to being allowed access to women in vulnerable spaces is a £30 skirt from m&s then what on earth do you think they will do. Good men stay out so bad men stand out. It is the principle of safe guarding.

I get my biology from biologists, not captured lobby groups.

How do you tell the difference between a transwoman and a man wearing a dress in order to access vulnerable women in their safe spaces. Why is a rapist in trousers a danger but a rapist in a skirt and a bit of lippy is safe. Not all men are predators but some are and if the only criteria to being allowed access to women in vulnerable spaces is a £30 skirt from m&s then what on earth do you think they will do. Good men stay out so bad men stand out. It is the principle of safe guarding.

This. And the thing is, there is no difference between a "trans woman" and any other man, whatever he's wearing.

And this is the fundamental issue with self I'd

It's a problem even wider than self ID. A man is not required to have any surgery or take any hormones to be issued with a gender recognition certificate which would make him legally female

No it isnt , whether the transwoman has had their penis removed or not doesnt stop them being male , they still followed the male pathway , not all woman can get pregnant or menstruate , BUT they follow the medical pathway as though they can .

No male whether castrated or not can be female , and if the trans movement had spent more time working towards making sure employment/housing rights were in place, instead of eroding womans right to single sex spaces and fairness in sports, then these conversations would not be happening.
And everytime they walk into a female only space , that space becomes mixed sex and woman feel gaslit and emotionally abused.

@Rosie8880 Please educate yourself: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10265381/
Intersex does not violate the sex binary.

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FFS

There are no “biological genders”! There exists biological SEX, as a scientific fact, and PERSONALITY which is “gender” for some people. These are NOT the same things.

Stop using the word “intersex” - it doesn’t mean there are more than 2 sexes, and more importantly people with DSDs (Disorders of Sexual Development) DO NOT WANT their conditions to be called “intersex” nor for DSDs to be used in transgender arguments.

I am not sure if you actually read other posts, but they are not agreeing with you in any way, shape or form. What you are writing is nonsensical - please stop and actually consider that even your “evidence” does not support your arguments!

This is nonsense.

Thanks for your responses Rosie888! They're neither accurate nor useful, but they are responses.

I genuinely believe that this sort of pseudoscience peaks more lurkers than anything else.

"when understand that there are not just two biological genders both in humans"

There are only two sexes in humans. And either a gazillion genders as everyone experiences this differently or no genders and we understand that there are a gazillion personalities.

This is not an interesting thought experiment because of the way that extreme activists have leveraged these theories to attempt to support their philosophical belief.

There is no biological basis for a gender identity. And there is only two sexes because the existence of people with differences of sex development do not, in any way, make sex not binary.

Still just two sexes and every person can be categorised with modern medical testing as being either male or female. Please don't use people's differences in sex development in thought experiments about gender.

Please Rosie, stop posting this article that is based in ideological thinking and is not supporting what you seem to think it is supporting.

@Rosie8880 what you're posting isn't science, it's marketing.

Wouldn't it have been wonderful if it was the Democratic Party supporting all this?

Instead, we ended up with EO from Biden in that first day, week, month that were damaging to female people. And we ended up with a fetishist suitcase stealer advisor, a male military medic who was celebrated as being the first female of that rank and a newly minted 'girl' asked to the White House to meet Biden and celebrated. Oh... and a male who exposed their breasts on the lawn (or did I misremember that one?)

As it is, the EOs that Trump put through really only Federally put the US in the vicinity of where the UK is now. It is not controversial at all what Trump has done. Sadly, Trump will be Trump and the Democratic Party failed to convince voters to re-elect them.

It’s also totally loopy.

It could be described as political activism even more than marketing.

'Presence of penis = boy, lack of penis =girl'

Good grief, Nursey is that you?

('A boy without a winkle is a girl')

If a man loses his penis in an accident does he become a woman? No he doesn't, so stop being so daft.

Women who believe sex is immutable can be from anywhere on the political spectrum. They're not part of a movement, they just believe in science and fact.

Trump has jumped upon multiple political issues which clearly mean nothing to him but can garner him votes. This is just one of them.

So what exactly do you want OP? In all of your wordy diatribe your main goal seems to be to minimise the suffering of women who have been raped by transwomen. Apparently that is less important than the feels of men appropriating womanhood? Are you asking people to agree with you that we should ignore the trampling of women's rights and safety?

Would you feel the same if a white person insisted on identifying as black or an able bodied person disabled?

I don't care how small the number, when a man can sexually assault a child in a Morrison"s bathroom he should never have been in because he says his name is now Katie something is very wrong and to be fair that's only the tip of the iceberg. There's plenty of other cases, including rapes in women's prisons.

I'm a centrist, an absolute centrist and a floating voter. I believe Trump is an absolute cunt, a monster without conscience and very possibly under Putin's control. I also know that people simply cannot change sex and that those who feel they are need support and ththery.the two are not mutually exclusive.

I'm sure plenty of women feel the same.

I don’t really get the obsession with toilets. Anyone can walk into a toilet , it’s not like there are bouncers outside checking everyone’s sex. It’s ridiculous people saying that trans men are welcome to use the women’s toilet. I don’t think I would necessarily know someone was a trans man by looking at them. I’d just be very confused by them being in the toilet.

I don’t agree with trans women using female changing rooms like in the nhs nurse case or participating in women’s sports. But some of the comments about toilets are nonsensical.

Here's an article about how the earth is flat

https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php

So now by posting that have I proved the earth is flat?

Maybe stop spamming propaganda and engage in the discussion.

I don't really care, I don't want some random man in the bathroom with me, invading spaces made for me and pretending his struggle is mine lol.

How odd. Why would you be bothered about a transman using the toilet when you know anyone could just walk in (because of the lack of bouncers doing genital checks)?

Surely you just assume every space you use is mixed sex because you can't possibly tell by looking?

You sound confused.