Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

[ThisPinkWyvern]

Under Trump's transgender policy, which echoes the ideology of the Gender Critical Movement, trans women are men and trans men are women. This view denies and rejects as worthless and baseless the lived experience of millions of men and women in the US who identify as trans. As a result of having their lived experience of themself ignored and denied by law, millions of trans men as well as trans women are now experiencing deep psychological trauma and living in abject fear and terror in the US. Many are trying to leave the country because they are so terrified.

The almost total silence of the Gender Critical Movement and it's supporters about the effect that it's ideology has had on those hundreds of thousand of women who self identify as men is deafening.It's whole argument about banning trans women from female public toilets and other ' women only spaces' is based on the argument that denying trans women the right to access these spaces is needed to protect the safety of women and girls. Given the fear, terror and trauma that hundreds of thousands of women( trans men) are now experiencing in the US, as a result of the government putting into practise Gender Critical Movement ideology, the sense of safety and well-being of hundreds of thousands of women has been devastated. This makes the infinitesimally small number of cases where women have been or ever would be assaulted by a trans woman in a women only space pale into insignificance by comparison.

In short, the Gender Critical Movement is directly responsible for harming the well being of hundreds of thousands of WOMEN according to it's own ideology.The damage done by implementing it's ideology makes a sickening mockery of it's claim that it's ideology protects the safety of women and girls.

When the number of men( trans women) in the US who are now living in fear and terror in the US is taken into account as well, the Gender Critical Movement and all those who support it are directly responsible for terrorising millions of people. It is impossible to claim that we are supporting women's rights and protecting the safety of women if we support the Gender Critical Movement.

You can claim whatever you want about yourself. You can't compel others to go along with your delusion.

Humans cannot change sex. Genital surgery does not change chromosomes.

The Democrats’ devotion to putting men in women’s prisons, refuges and sports, and to pretending that pregnancy and childbirth are not exclusively female health issues, is partly responsible for putting a deranged con artist in charge of the free world. It swayed some votes.

We have a potential Putin lackey in charge of a huge nuclear arsenal, US justice systems are being torn apart, an unelected billionaire has free access to government data about US citizens, key services have been compromised by mass sackings, and if Putin’s plan pays off European democracy will be destroyed in a Trump/ Putin pincer movement. Trump has realised that he just needs to rip up the constitutional rules and he’s got himself a cosy dictatorship. Many of us are genuinely fearful for the future of democracy.

Meanwhile, some men are angry that they can no longer get naked among unwilling, intimidated naked women and girls. Nobody should live in fear, but under Trump everyone lives in fear.

What quite interests me is whether people like the Op genuinely bellieve they can change sex.
Unless you are very mentall unwell surely nobody suffers that level of delusion.
So is it just a political thing?

You’re sounding more unhinged with every post. And go ahead, tell me how that’s discriminating against hinges, or something.

I love it! That's very funny! 🤣

If someone is experiencing pain, mental agony due to them feeling they are physically the wrong gender - this must be incredibly traumatic. - Yes it must and I am very sympathetic to anyone in mental agony or experiencing trauma. But my opinion is that they should receive sympathetic treatment to accept themselves as they are.

All of us have male and female chromosomes, X & Y. Whats interesting is in nature, gender is not rigid - animals/ species change or flip btw gender - yes this is true, and as a biologist I agree very interesting. However humans as a species don't flip sex so this argument is irrelevant here.

We humans have created a rigid concept of binary gender - which isn’t based on facts. - yes we have and I believe rigid gender stereotypes are indeed harmful and have contributed hugely to the mess we're in currently. Biological sex however is binary and not a "concept" humans have created, but a biological fact.

why can’t we allow others to live their lives in ways they want - I agree as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights and safety of others

it isn’t causing any harm. - it is actually, biological women and girls have been harmed by this,

There seems to be some hysteria about men in changing rooms - I can’t recall prior to a few years ago anyone really getting up in arms about this. - as a woman I find the term hysteria offensive so you might want to consider not using it. Nevertheless women and girls have very valid reasons for being concerned about men in women only spaces. A few years ago men weren't generally allowed to use women's changing rooms so no it wasn't an issue. However if you go further back to the 1970s feminists fought very hard to get single sex spaces for women.

I struggle with why all of a sudden this issue has become to talked about. - it's not all of a sudden, it's been talked about for years, but women were not listened to and labelled terfs and bigots, so many were too intimidated to speak out.

It’s strange and has a whiff of scapegoating and finding ways to create “otherness” - really? Isn't the concept of "non binary" creating otherness? The CG movement is actually doing the opposite of creating otherness!

rather than wanting to embrace diversity and live together peacefully - I'm sure most women would love to live together peacefully, shame there are so many violent and abusive men around

accepting others as they want to be accepted - most people do, it's just that increasing numbers of people draw the line at accepting that humans can change biological sex

I think it's definitely a political thing for a very noisy minority.

But for most transgender people, I believe that that they are mentally unwell and that they do genuinely believe that they were "born in the wrong body" or whatever. And some of them may also genuinely believe that it is somehow possible to change sex.

Sadly, I think the noisy minority with a political agenda have probably made it much harder for those who are mentally unwell to get the help that they really need, because so many individuals and institutions have been bullied into legitimising and reaffirming their delusions instead of helping them to come to terms with the biological reality.

It's the ultimate in wish fulfillment. Ways that they try to fulfill this wish:

• Some animals can change sex. Humans are animals, therefore humans can change sex (basic logical fallacy)
• Sex is a complicated and woolly timey wimey thing that we can't define, deffo some sort if spectrum therefore I can change sex
• Sex is irrelevant and probably a transphobic dog whistle, therefore I can change sex
• I am biological! I am a woman! Therefore I am a biological woman, ergo I have changed sex (cf India Willoughby and most recently Dr Beth Upton)
• Shut up terf etc, etc

I just went and caught up on Blake’s YouTube. Is that a nightie that Blake is wearing on this latest video? While saying that a bloke using the weak arsed argument that he could now enter the toilets and state he was a transman to access them, was a really good and supposedly new point?

No. thank you.

And the bloke’s argument that Blake thought was convincing is weak for a few reasons. Firstly it is just a version of ‘but a man can enter the spaces anyway ‘. Secondly, the female people in that toilet can most likely correctly sex a male person. They might have less success correctly sexing a female who has taken testosterone. Thirdly, Blake is still using this as a crutch to allow for Blake’s inclusion by saying it is ‘too hard to make law for so we shouldn’t’ meaning laws don’t exclude Blake.

Yes. Blake is honest about being male. But Blake is just another extreme transgender rights activist because Blake insists that gender is prioritised above sex when it is sex that matters.

This.
So simple.

People over complicate it to muddy the waters because their arguments have no validity and they know it.

Don’t forget… sometime in the future we will definitely be able to do this so we should just accept it as being true.

Male toilets have cubicles too. He could go there, instead of upsetting a woman that is fleeing a man, rinsing out a mooncup, washing blood-stained underwear at the sink, etc etc.

Oh yes! Chinese scientists have achieved pregnancy in a male rat (completely in character, the TRA ignores the role of the female rat that the male rat was sewn to), therefore I can change sex

I should have probably added something about sex being colonialist and deeply racist (therefore I can change sex).

Yep, even trans people themselves say they know they don't actually change sex, so the OP is either trolling or deeply, deeply mentally ill..

@user2848502016 - As a complete non-biologist, which animals can change/flip their genders?

I agree, I wouldn't feel uncomfortable with Alexis Blake in a ladies toilet either but that's me, a lot of women would feel uncomfortable and that's not wrong or offensive. There are a lot of trans women who would make me extremely uncomfortable if I saw them in a ladies toilet.
A lot of "cis" men aren't a threat to women either (my DH for example) but that doesn't mean they can enter women only spaces just because they know they don't mean any harm.
Women only spaces were created because women are at risk of violence by some men, and that's why men shouldn't be allowed in full stop.

I'm not so sure about that. We've had a qualified NHS male doctor state under oath at a tribunal that they are a biological female. Also said that sex is a nebulous dog whistle.

Trans men are women. Whether people join in with the polite pretence or not will depend on so many factors, including their own lived experience.

Some do. Lily Tino is one of the most viewed team activists. Honestly her content is incredibly problematic. A lot is even aimed at small children (one where she dresses as Ms Rachel) or for parents to involve their small children in deciding what gender they are by having a gender reveal party after they are born.

You’re sounding more unhinged with every post. And go ahead, tell me how that’s discriminating against hinges, or something.

TBF, equating ‘unhinged’ with ‘batshit’ makes a case for the value of hinges.

thanks for your response. It’s interesting isn’t it, when understand that there are not just two biological genders both in humans and in nature, and the variety that exists. The view I have is that whether one falls into a majority or a minority - we exist as we are. And, following this we should be allowed to exist, peacefully with same dignity, acceptance as those in minorities and majorities.

"All of us have male and female chromosomes, X & Y."

Again, no, we don't. Because some of us are biologically women. With X chromosomes.

No, there are two biological sexes that all humans fall into. Every human who exists or has ever existed has been male or female, even the few that it's not immediately obvious which they are.

The rest is bullshit

Most people responding to OP are gender-critical feminists.

Trump is not a gender-critical feminist. He’s a plain, old-fashioned sexist.

Even though I agree with so many things in his executive order—like the focus on sex as opposed to gender, safety of women’s spaces—let me tell you, it gave me no pleasure to read the order. Which I have to interpret and enforce at work—I wasn’t just reading it out of interest.

Most women on here have no animosity towards trans people. We just want our safety and dignity to get equal consideration. Trump does not care about the safety or dignity of women—he just wants to pick on trans people.

The executive order and general anti-trans sentiment is not attributable to gender-critical feminism—no one’s cares about or listens to us! It’s attributable to how crazy trans ideology is to regular people.

Nonsense! People's feelings do not change their gender and just because some people have physical mutations it doesn't mean that everyone can claim that their biology is fluid. Just because some people are born with webbed fingers it doesn't mean that sll humans can fo everything that every type of fish can do.

Hi thanks for the reponse. Please do have a read of intersex in this link too. What is interesting is when understand that there are more than two, male/ female biological genders in humans , this helps understand better how for example, gender isn’t always binary. It is more diverse. What I am also interested in is how we as society treat everyone, including minorities.

www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/gender-identity/sex-gender-identity/whats-intersex