The more and more racist comments are being allowed to stand on FB

[JimandPam]

I am still a pretty frequent user of FB and find it useful for keeping in touch with overseas family and also part of hobby groups/kids days out ideas etc

I've always been a part of my local community Facebook and whilst most of the time comments/posts are in good faith, I've noticed more and more vile posts that are either racist or homophobic. I always report them using the appropriate tools

However, over the last 6 months I've noticed these comments are allowed to stand and I don't understand why

Two recent examples:
A community post about bad driving in a notorious spot in our town. I reported two comments

1. X Town used to be nice before all of Africa moved in
2. Never had this problem when they used to be on jam jars

After taking 30 days to review I've been told that neither of these comments break their community guidelines. What?? I've reopened them and added comments but I'm finding this more and more that my reporting is not being upheld

I know the simple answer is to use FB less but I'm seeing this all over SM where hateful comments are reported but not taken down.

AIBU to think the above should have simply been removed on reporting them or am I going mad?

And where did I say that?

And yet numerous accounts of trans people “tricking people”

Strange.

Ah apologies. It still stands. There are good in bad in some people, but if certain groups are more likely to commit certain crimes, then we should be allowed to say so, and discuss why that might be without immediately being labelled a bigot. I think, in many ways, that is what is pushing people to be more right wing. They're silenced and they get madder and madder and then they errupt.

So, you admit trans people commit sex by deception?

Well they can always use the disabled toilets can't they?

As can you if you feel unsafe in a female space because of the very, very, very remote likelihood that a transgender woman might also be using that space (and of course the even more remote likelihood that she might assault you - because even the most bonkers terf will still acknowledge that the vast majority of adults aren't violent offenders, regardless of gender identity or sex).

Now I know you're going to say 'why should I use the disabled toilet instead of a female only space!' To which I'd answer, that if you can't guarantee a transgender woman won't be in that space (and you can't) then maybe for your own peace of mind and emotional safety you should use a space where there's no risk of you encountering a transgender person.

If that's unacceptable to you (and it will be) how do you suggest women's spaces be policed to keep transgender women out of them?

It's a reasonable question.

@Upchuck

"So, you admit trans people commit sex by deception?"

Do you mean 'some transgender people commit sex by deception'?

Because you're not accusing a whole group of people of sex offences are you?

Impossible.

Apparently they never pass.

They cannot simultaneously “never pass” but also “trick people”.

It’s one or the other.

First, unfortunately we now don’t know how many “women” recorded as criminals of any kind are actually men. So the stats can be misleading.

But either way, men (however they ID) are responsible for 95% of violent crime and 98% of sexual crime. So the claim women are of equal danger is an absolute nonsense.

I am very sorry to hear what happened to your daughter, that must have been terrifying.

It is deception because these men are attempting to access female only spaces by pretending to be women. When they try to “pass” as women, what they are doing to trying to deceive others into thinking they are women when in fact they are men.

They rarely succeed but the attempt is deception.

And why is that? For the rest of us to properly understand your point.

When the social contract of men keeping out of women’s spaces was broken.

Years ago Eddie Izzard was whining because a couple of teenage girls chased him out of a female toilet. Good for them.

They couldn’t do that nowadays. They’d have to accept that he has been given the right to trample over their boundaries, to ignore the privacy, dignity and safety of girls.

Luckily this is now being challenged but no thanks to the owners of social media sites who banned women’s an girls who objected to male people in their spaces, to the media who report male rapists as “she”. To those who cheer this along, which appears to include you.

@Ddakji

You obviously feel very victimised by the idea of transgender women being in women's spaces.

Do you avoid using women's spaces on the off chance you might encounter one of the 0.3% of the population that's transgender women?

"to the media who report male rapists as “she”. To those who cheer this along, which appears to include you."

Well, as long as rapists are called rapists, and sentenced for their crimes, I personally don't GAS how their gender is referred to. It's not the most important thing about them. It's their offending that matters.

Wow, that’s a nasty comment. But nicely highlights that obviously the victim here is meant to be the man invading the women’s space and it’s not on for that to be reversed. Which of course is a key point of trans - to make men the victims of those nasty women.

Transgender women are men. You and your daughter may well be happy to usher men into female spaces but you don’t get to give away mine and my daughter’s female spaces.

Why do you think single sex spaces exist?

If they end of in women’s prisons it matters.

And it matters if a rape victim
is required to be gaslit in court and refer to her rapist as a woman.

Rape requires a penis under UK law. It is a male crime.

You really don’t like women, do you?

"Wow, that’s a nasty comment".

Why?

You clearly feel personally victimised by transgender women using women's spaces. I'm just acknowledging it.

"You and your daughter may well be happy to usher men into female spaces but you don’t get to give away mine and my daughter’s female spaces."

So what do you suggest is done to ensure you never again have to fear the vanishingly unlikely possibility that you or your daughter may one day encounter a transgender woman in the ladies loo?

Please don't spend ages typing out a long rant about transgender women being men. We all know what you think about that because you never stop fucking going on about it. Just a suggestion for how to police the change you're demanding.

@Ddakji

BTW, my 25 year old daughter who herself was raped as a child, now works with category one ex offenders. That's her job. She'd laugh in your face at your naivety in believing that the truly horrible sex offenders she works with would be thwarted in any way by the 'trans bathroom ban' you want that's, just for starters, completely impossible to police.

But yes, carry on with the 'you hate women if you don't agree with me about transgender people', and in the meantime, I've managed to raise a daughter who's devoting her life to ACTUALLY working with predatory men to reduce the chance of them reoffending and ruining another woman/child/man's life. You just carry on shouting 'transgender women are MEN!' into the wind, and see how far it gets us all.

I’m not asking for any change. I’m asking for the law to be upheld as it stands, with clarification if needed. Single sex (not gender) spaces are lawful and I want women and girls to have the power returned to them to ask (and indeed shame if necessary) male people to get out of where they don’t belong.

I won’t be responding to you any more as you are dripping with contempt for women and girls (most likely) or you are a deluded fool and therefore a waste of time.

She’ll know then that men who ID as trans are more likely to be convicted sex offenders than the male prison population in general.

If she’s in denial about that Ministry of Justice proven fact then she needs to get a new job.

If she’s doing that job at all, of course.

Yes that is a great point.

So not deception.

You present yourself as an intelligent person.

Have a think.

Have a think why they would not do that. Think about their identity (not what YOU view them as but how they see themselves) and it becomes patently obvious why they would not be protesting for third spaces.

Fine, I’m happy to answer in my own words and I’ll assume that I’m speaking for you too, right?
They don’t want third spaces because humiliating women and girls and violating their privacy, dignity and safety is part of their schtick. They want to invade and colonise women’s spaces, making the women subject to them.
That, in 10 years of paying close attention to this debate, is what I can see as being the reason for not campaigning for third spaces.

They don’t want third spaces because humiliating women and girls and violating their privacy, dignity and safety is part of their schtick. They want to invade and colonise women’s spaces, making the women subject to them

I don't agree with that at all. I'd have thought it was because they understandably don't want singling out, and in this climate of hostility towards them putting them altogether in a separate place is asking for trouble from bigots/thugs.
Anyway, this is derailing, it's a thread about racism - funny not really how those that are shouting the loudest for complete freedom of speech is "gender critical" people because if it's a flavour of bigotry they're in favour of, it's ok.
Try not to engage with the attempted derail to make it yet another trans thread, and I'll try to take my own advice too 😀