The more and more racist comments are being allowed to stand on FB

[JimandPam]

I am still a pretty frequent user of FB and find it useful for keeping in touch with overseas family and also part of hobby groups/kids days out ideas etc

I've always been a part of my local community Facebook and whilst most of the time comments/posts are in good faith, I've noticed more and more vile posts that are either racist or homophobic. I always report them using the appropriate tools

However, over the last 6 months I've noticed these comments are allowed to stand and I don't understand why

Two recent examples:
A community post about bad driving in a notorious spot in our town. I reported two comments

1. X Town used to be nice before all of Africa moved in
2. Never had this problem when they used to be on jam jars

After taking 30 days to review I've been told that neither of these comments break their community guidelines. What?? I've reopened them and added comments but I'm finding this more and more that my reporting is not being upheld

I know the simple answer is to use FB less but I'm seeing this all over SM where hateful comments are reported but not taken down.

AIBU to think the above should have simply been removed on reporting them or am I going mad?

A lot of people are angry that they voted Brexit to control borders/immigration just to get more open borders and immigration.

Politicians have let them down. It doesn't excuse racism, but demographic change just post-2016 has been massive and it's made the country more divided.

You can censor people but you can't censor attitudes and thoughts.

yes, I often wonder why these people think we have single-sex spaces at all, or why they think someone changing their gender gives them access to opposite-sex spaces. Sex and gender are two different after all, right?

How about transwomen police themselves and stay out of women's spaces? How about that?

@izimbra Basically, what you're saying is that trawnswomen are happy to breach women's boundaries and safe spaces and that if we have a problem with it, we should come up with a solution. We already did - single-sex spaces. They took them from us.

Oh, and I see what you're doing making it all about toilets when it's also about rape crisis centres and women's refuges.

So if I gave you an obnoxious opinion of you based on loose facts and made up stuff right now, on Mumsnet, you'd be happy with that or would you (probably rightly) report it?

@Ddakji

There's been a huge increase in the number of reports of sexual offences by women.

My own daughter was offended against by a woman who she went on a date with - the woman forced her to drink alcohol, took her phone off her and hit her. I spent one of the worst nights of my life trying to track my daughter around London on find friends, as this woman took her from one dodgy place to another. My daughter was clearly terrified when I spoke to her and was unable to speak freely, and I couldn't get the police to take my concerns seriously. The woman only let her go after my daughter told her I'd called the police.

NSPCC show there's been a 132% increase in the number of reported sexual offences against children in recent years where the perpetrator was a woman.

You might - reasonably - argue that women only make up a tiny percentage of sex assault convictions. I'd agree. And I'd point out that trangender people also only make up a tiny percentage of convictions for sex offences, and that's why I don't understand why people like you are so obsessed with presenting transgender individuals as a particular danger to women and children.

Because transwomen are MEN and MEN make up a HUGE proportion of sex offences.

Transwomen are actually 5 times more likely to be sex offenders than regular men and around 500 times more likely to do so than women. Unsurprisingly, transmen are not significantly more likely than women to be sex offenders.

It's really simple: the problem is not their trans identity, it is that, at the end of the day, they are MALE.

@Upchuck

"Basically, what you're saying is that trawnswomen are happy to breach women's boundaries and safe spaces and that if we have a problem with it, we should come up with a solution. We already did - single-sex spaces. They took them from us."

Question for you - do you genuinely feel unsafe in single sex spaces all the time now?

Exactly when did single sex spaces stop feeling safe for you?

Why do trans men not pose a risk to women?

Just saying “they are female” says nothing.

That goes for every group on the planet so a fairly meaningless statement.

Because females offend at a much lower rate than men. How many women are killed by other women? Sexually assaulted by them? Not very many compared to the number harmed by men, right?

Also because transmen are not significantly bigger or stronger than the average woman, so we are more evenly matched if it came to a fight.

Basically, you're asking me why are women not a threat to women, which is wholly disingenuous.

@Upchuck

How many sex offences were committed by transgender women in single sex spaces?

And how could these spaces be policed to stop this happening?

I'm sure you have some practical ideas - let's discuss it!

My rape counselling sessions started feeling less safe to me when a man joined, yes.

I don't always feel unsafe in toilets, no, but if there is a male in there (even one who claims to be female) yes, I do feel less safe. It's also made me more wary of using toilets at all because you never know who will be in there.

As I said before, context is all. Just read it again, I'm sure you'll get it.

How is it “deception”?

That’s not what deception means. I an just saying that without physically inspecting people - challenging people’s rights to be in certain spaces will always be based on how they present / look.

I don’t need to ask myself anything. It’s patently obvious why trans people (men and women) don’t protest for third spaces.

As I keep saying, it can't be policed, as in we can't stop anyone entering, including regular males who don't have a trans identity. It's always been the case.

What we can do is, if we find men in there, call security/the police. We can stop giving special men a pass.

There's been a handful of assaults on girls and women in toilets that I know of personally, don't have the official stats. One is too many. The little girl attacked in a supermarket toilet in Scotland, for example.

Yes. It’s a meaningless statement.

”There is good and bad in every group of people” the end.

No seriously, if all they want is to pee and be safe doing so, why don't they have their own spaces instead of making some women feel less safe in their own spaces?

Comprehension is never a big thing on Mumsnet.

If I really must unpick it for you, it is not a meaningless statement because it was made in the context of previous posts which suggested the view had come from right wing propaganda, so the statement was made signifying i had personal experience of same.

It’s clearly not a myth though is it. (Which is why there are accounts of trans people being attacked when they have “disclosed” their gender at birth to relationship partners, why plenty of people are insistent that cis women such as Serena Williams and Michelle Obama are “really men” and accounts of masc presenting lesbians being challenged in female only spaces etc.

There are also people who have “come out” as trans who were not presumed so ahead of time.

It’s just incorrect to say there are not trans people who pass.

So, wy do we segregate anything by sex at all? Why not just make previously single-sex spaces a free for all? let any man into the women's refuge however he identifies, because at the end of the day, there's good and bad in everyone?

It is right wing propoganda if you somehow think people are right to feel especially unnerved at the basic truism that there is good and bad in every group of people.

yes it is - we can see who is male very clearly even if he is wearing a dress, has long hair, flutters his eyelashes or whatever else he determines is "feminine" & employed by a man as part of his deception/disguise.

That comment has nothing to do with single sex spaces.