The more and more racist comments are being allowed to stand on FB

[JimandPam]

I am still a pretty frequent user of FB and find it useful for keeping in touch with overseas family and also part of hobby groups/kids days out ideas etc

I've always been a part of my local community Facebook and whilst most of the time comments/posts are in good faith, I've noticed more and more vile posts that are either racist or homophobic. I always report them using the appropriate tools

However, over the last 6 months I've noticed these comments are allowed to stand and I don't understand why

Two recent examples:
A community post about bad driving in a notorious spot in our town. I reported two comments

1. X Town used to be nice before all of Africa moved in
2. Never had this problem when they used to be on jam jars

After taking 30 days to review I've been told that neither of these comments break their community guidelines. What?? I've reopened them and added comments but I'm finding this more and more that my reporting is not being upheld

I know the simple answer is to use FB less but I'm seeing this all over SM where hateful comments are reported but not taken down.

AIBU to think the above should have simply been removed on reporting them or am I going mad?

I mean, Dr Upton recently said under oath that he was a biological woman so...

The reason to keep pointing out they are men in dresses is because it's the only way we can justify keeping them out of single-sex spaces - because they're men.

The Sandie Peggie case in Scotland has just heard a biologically male doctor who identifies as a woman claim, in front of an employment tribunal, that he is 'biologically female'. Despite the fact that he has not had any surgery to remove his penis. (not that that's relevant but some people think it is) . To not be able to highlight why this entitled man should not have access to a woman's changing room because we need to respect his identity is why so many women are deeply concerned about 'hate speech' laws and online moderation which suppress free speech on this issue. It is deeply frustrating that women campaigning for the law that they have a right to single sex changing rooms to be enforced are described as 'transphobic' and they have been deleted and muted on sites.

izimbra, you have made a lot of sweeping extrapolations about what I think, none of which are correct:
”constantly repeating” what makes you think I am constantly repeating it? Context is all. Examples include in women's sports and women's safe spaces, not in general, not constantly.

“to try to ridicule and shame transgender women?” Not trying to do either. - how can facts be ridiculing or shaming? Simply centering women and maintaining their rights.

“If the only time you ever refer to transgender people it's to ridicule them or drum up fear of them - it's because you're intending to stir up contempt and hatred towards a minority group. Just own it.”
Sweeping assumption about the only time I refer to transgender people, many of which are friends and we can agree to disagree without anyone getting het up
So do give over.

With regard to your second post, I worked in a large multicultural area for some years and I know whereof I speak, so no, not radicalised by right wing media, or whatever it was.
The NHS is a really good example of when it works, I agree, I just wish it was more like the NHS everywhere else.

SallyWD, I was very clear in saying “some” groups of Muslims.
Like you, I have worked with and around a large Muslim population and found the majority to be peaceful and good to know.
And very tolerant of and interested in other religions and cultures, too.
Unfortunately, I have also encountered others, who aren't.

Do you have any more details of the evidence she gave in support of her claim?

What about if she had had gender reassignment surgery? Would this have made any difference to your opinion?

Personally the only time I've ever knowingly shared a single sex space with a transgender woman was when I went to see a one woman show featuring a transgender artist. There was a woman in the queue for the toilet who I suspected was transgender, though to be honest I avoided staring at her because she was just queueing for the loo and I didn't want to be intrusive, so I'm not entirely sure. I suspect my experience that transgender people have been nearly entirely absent in any single sex spaces I've ever been in is the norm for 99.9% of UK women, 99.9% of the time, which is why I'm staggered at the amount of emotional energy TERFS are devoting to this issue.

"It is deeply frustrating that women campaigning for the law that they have a right to single sex changing rooms to be enforced."

I'm definitely interested in how you feel this law should be enforced. Obviously in this case the doctor in question was known to her colleagues and can be prosecuted and have her career destroyed, so that would be a fair amount of disincentive to her using a female only space. But in general how would it work? How do you police female spaces to keep transwomen out of them? In the USA they've introduced a bill which requires everyone to use the single sex space that correspond with their sex, which would result in transgender men being required to use female spaces. What are your thoughts on the practicalities? How would it work in practice? Would I have the right to ask a manager to check the genitals of someone using the women's facilities at - say - my local swimming baths because I suspected they were transgender?

We never had to police it in the past. People knew which spaces they should use, and if a man did come into female-only spaces, it was possible to alert someone and get them removed. Now, if you did that, there's a significant chance you'd be the one in trouble.

Also, toilets is kind of the least of it. We're also fighting for single-sex refuges, rape counselling, changing rooms, sports... You know that.

No, gender reassignment surgery doesn't change someone's sex. They are still male and they still offend at male rates (or higher), so that wouldn't make any difference.

Then, there's just the fact you can be accused of hate for stating the truth. It's a dark path we'll end up on if we continue down that route.

@Giggorata

“to try to ridicule and shame transgender women?” Not trying to do either. - how can facts be ridiculing or shaming?

If you go on to the social media accounts of transgender posters who are talking about, say crochet, or climate change, you'll see post after post just pointing out their biological sex. Nothing more to say. Just saying 'You're a man'. Or 'You're a woman'.

Why do you think people do this? What's the purpose of it?

Yes, there are some people who are arseholes who will comment that someone is fat or ugly or actually a man when they are just posting about their crochet, but if we ban people being able to say you're a man to a man at all, then we have a problem.

@Upchuck

"We never had to police it in the past"

Are you making a case that transgender people never used single sex spaces that didn't correspond to their sex in the past?

How do you know?

Nope, not at all. In fact, I know they did, and it was never right. What I'm saying is, we didn't have to set up specific laws and procedures for dealing with it. If I was in the supermarket and a man came in, I could go and tell the security guard and they'd deal with it. These days, you're more likely to be told it's fine and if you don't like it you're a bigot, well if they identify as a woman, anyway. Safeguarding be damned.

@Upchuck
"Yes, there are some people who are arseholes who will comment that someone is fat or ugly or actually a man when they are just posting about their crochet, but if we ban people being able to say you're a man to a man at all, then we have a problem."

I asked you why people repeatedly need to remind transgender people of their sex. What's the purpose? So when a transwoman is posting about crochet and there are dozens and dozens of 'You're a man' comments - why does that happen? What is it that those posters are doing? You didn't answer.

Can you answer that question?

@Upchuck

"Nope, not at all. In fact, I know they did, and it was never right."

So how do you suggest we police it now? Because you are asking for single sex spaces to be policed aren't you?

I said, they're arseholes, so obviously they're doing it to be dicks/get a rise out of people. they don't do it just to transpeople. They'll call a woman fat or ugly or say a man is stupid or whatever. I agree that's wrong. I just think, you can't make saying a man is a man hate speech because sometimes we need to be able to say that, even if they don't like or think they are. Some people are arseholes, doesn't mean it should be illegal.

I’m sorry, safeguarding?

so trans people are a risk?

The same way. If a man comes into a woman's single-ses space, we should be able to report them and have them removed. Of course, good men who care about women would continue not to do that in the first place. No genital inspections necessary if that's what you're getting about. I know the trans activists love to pretend that's what we want, but nope.

Men are a risk. Transwomen in women's single-sex spaces are men and therefore a risk. Transmen are women and not a risk. Hope that helps.

Zuckerberg got rid of the DEI programs so not surprising and will only get worse

So basically just people who present a certain way. Trans people who pass will likely just continue to use whatever bathroom they feel most comfortable in and everybody else will be nonethewiser.

Why are transmen not a risk?

Well, they shouldn't be in there at all, no, even if they pass. Ideally, they would respect that and not enter our spaces, and some transwomen do use the male or gender neutral facilities out of respect, so I don't see why they all can't.

But, I don't know how we're supposed to stop them if they're so determined to breach our boundaries.

Because they are female and females do not pose an additional risk to other women. Men do.

Pass = deceive.

Most men who ID as trans can’t deceive others into thinking they are female.

Either way, any man who seeks to enter a female only space via deception is abusive and a predator. He knows he is somewhere he doesn’t belong and shouldn’t be.

Ask yourself why TRAs don’t campaign for more 3rd spaces alongside male and female ones.

Because they are female. But I think you know that.

@Upchuck

So how do you suggest all female spaces - changing rooms and toilets - be policed in order to exclude the possible presence of 0.3% of the population who are transgender women who might wish to use a female space?

The idea that transwomen "pass" is a myth. A myth started by transwomen and TRA's.

It's simply not true - most of the time we can all correctly sex 99.99% of people we encouter regardless of what they are wearing.

Good men stay out so bad men stand out.