I never thought I'd see the US aligning with Russia

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The US appear under Trump to be aligning with Putin and Russia more and more.

What was until recently referred to as our greatest allie is moving close to Russia in many ways, carving up Ukraine for Russia, trade deals with Russia.

It's bizarre.

Aibu to think it's bizarre or was this always coming when trump was elected?

As I said, nobody is stepping up apart from the US.

And we are reliant their satellite network also.

We wasted the 12 billion we sent to Ukraine. May as well have shredded the money. It achieved fuck all.

Well done us though, we gave away billions we didn't have, for a war which achieved nothing.

We could have had 350,000 new police officers or nurses for that 12 billion.

But no! Better to spend it firing bullets into bombed out buildings in a war that has nothing to do with us.

Of course he looks weak, he's literally making concessions to a bully. Which bit of the USA would he be happy to give away if Putin wanted it? He seems to genuinely think he can chat to Putin and 'fix' this, because he's that deluded. He can't and all he's doing is emboldening Putin for future land grabs. Knowing the USA will not only not stop him, but enable him, will be making the whole of the former Soviet Union and some of the Scandinavian countries very nervous.

Trump's attitude seems to be that so long as the USA is OK, everyone else can get fucked. But that kind of isolationism just isn't possible in our globalised world. Apart from the fact it also makes him a massive shit, but we knew that anyway.

Achieved fuck all ??? What would you prefer, Russia to have marched through, and then carried on ? Off into the Baltic Countries, and then head off to Central Europe.. because that’s what we are talking about. Putin is an expansionist Imperialist, and he wants to march into various other countries… and the line has to be protected somewhere.

Exactly. And America making concessions is exactly what Chamberlain did with Hitler before WW2. And look how that turned out.

Allowing Russia to expand into an absolutely massive global superpower won't end well for anyone, including the USA.

And what is that as a proportion of their GDP?

It’s stupid comparing raw numbers with vastly different GDP and economies.

The war is lost, our money was just wasted some anonymous firefight. Our money achieved nothing. We didn't stop the Russian advance, the US did. And no matter how much money we sent there, without US support it would still achieve nothing. Ukraine is running out of soldiers. Putin knows it, the US knows it, Ukraine knows it.

Putin is laughing at how weak the West is, how even the mighty US of A wants out of this mess. Putin has got exactly what he wanted. He has won.

Our 12 billion may has well have been pissed up against a wall.

Trump ran on ending the war and reducing defense spending. Now everyone is surprised that he's ending the war and reducing defense spending.

The US held an election during the Civil War. Abraham Lincoln held the election, even though he believed he would lose, because democracies hold elections. At this point, Zelensky is a dictator and the US government is responding accordingly.

If Boris had done nothing Putin would have had 3 years of Ukrainian resources whereas now russian economy is much weaker. Many Ukrainians have had time to set up new lives in Poland UK etc and keep links at home.

Boris and farage now need to be patriotic and stick up for UK values rather than letting trump walk allover UK right

To who he looks weak Europeans

The world out of Europe is not overly interested in a small part of Europe

Israel and Gaza is a different matter the US do not want to be supporting both as its incredibly costly, far more money involved in the ME and the west needs to have a strong safe western alliance there

You really think the majority of Americans are happy to spend billions of dollars supporting Ukraine when so many are struggling with nothing in return

Of course Trump doesn't care the argument about giving away part of the US doesn't come into it that would be putting the question to someone who is reasonable Trump isn't

But you can change that. If you want to support UK and European social media personas, youtubers or TV shows, change how you search, or look through the results until you find someone from the UK or whereever your preference lays.

Since a lot of people are intereconnected and behind some European or UK media people may be US investment companies or capital or management, and people from different countries cooperate, it won't necessarily be clear cut, but already different from 100% US.

Regarding shows, you can check on imbd where a show or movie was produced. It's always very powerful to vote with your purchasing power.

I don't think becoming 100% isolationist is the way to go, as countries benefit from cooperation and exchange, but no reason to get steamrollered by one country only either.

The British postponed the General Election in WW2. Are you implying Sir Winston Churchill was a dictator?

The main cause for hope here is he couldn’t maintain wars on all of those fronts simultaneously, not even with Russian help

Why does it matter what his reasoning is? He's the Commander in Chief and all military power is vested in him. He decides. Congress can stop a president from going to war, but it can't stop a president from ending a war, and without massive European funding and European boots on the ground the war is over. The US has sent billions in money and materiel, much of which Zelensky either can't or won't account for. Billions are missing, yet we Americans are baddies because we won't just send billions more, however much Ukraine asks. Well this American taxpayer says fuck that to hell and back. We're done shelling out to European assholes who always want more, more, more.

Putin is not a threat to the US. Read that over and over until you understand it. He's not a threat to us at all. Putin isn't going to do a damn thing to harm us. He's a threat to you, so act like adults and deal with YOUR threat.

Russia was always unhappy about losing some countries that were part of the Soviet Union and when the country regained military strength after the 2000s, it set on getting back what they "lost". Many countries like Kazakhstan have governernments which closely align with Russia. The countries that moved too far away from Russia are the ones which are the target.
Remember the Soviet influence included the three Baltic Countries, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Eastern Germany and many more.

Europe has to find its own position within Russia and USA negotiating without them, and fast.

Do you believe everything you hear? Trump says someone is a dictator so you repeat it like a parrot?

Putin is a dictator - why doesn't the US act accordingly?

Exactly. Sick of people not understanding numbers and proportions

As for that gigantic ocean between US and Europe, maybe someone should look at the other end of the map to realize how close Alaska with all its minerals and raw materials is to Russia. Maybe Putin wants to renegotiate that sale at some point, too.

Wow, really sucked in by the maga misinformation aren't you

Last night, Carla Sands said the UK has locked up more people for their views than Putin has. Victoria Derbyshire's face was a picture.🙈

Such are the lies being believed and repeated in the US. And we are the enemy now.

67% of Native Americans voted for Trump. Trump also won first time voters. Trump won hispanic men by 10 points. He also unsurprisingly won white men and white women, but interestingly he won 13% more black men in 2024 than he did in 2016.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/politics/2020-2016-exit-polls-2024-dg/

So now Trump has directly referred to VZ as a 'dictator.'

How does he expect elections to happen in a nation whose borders are unstable and constantly changing?

Trump says VZ should never have started the war. WTF! What were Ukrainians supposed to do - wave cheerily to the Russian tanks as they rolled in?

A different subject entirely - but BBC were reporting that the Trump administration have today contacted Romanian authorities to get the charges against, of all people, Andrew Tate, dropped! The man is a people trafficker and vile, dangerous misogynist. Didn't he also convert to Islam, or has he dropped that now?

What was that crap Vance came out with in Munich about Scottish people not being allowed to pray in their own homes?

Their agenda is clear on so many fronts. It's diabolical and unbelievable.

If they think they are going to bring their anti-abortion, fundamentalist Christian ideology over to Europe they can go to hell.

Nobody, apart from MAGA, is going to fall for this Ukrainian dictatorship spin. Nobody. How dare they.

If they get away with the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, the world will not forget.

Putin thought he could march into Kyiv, depose the government and put a puppet in place to run the country to his orders as in Belarus.

He did not succeed.
He has not won the war that he wanted.
The vast majority of Ukraine is still a remarkably well functioning (given the years of war) country outside the occupied parts now much more united in their hatred of Russia and desire to join Europe.

Ukraine has not lost this war. It stopped Putin achieving his goals. At best, he is going to get some parts of eastern Ukraine that have been flattened and large amounts of the population have fled.

I know it's not what Ukraine wanted but if that is the outcome (that they lose Donbas etc), then Europe and the UK should focus on ensuring the rest of the country and rebuild and wrapping them closer to Europe through military support to defend them against future attacks, through encouraging trade and economic links and through education and cultural links (university exchanges etc).

And Trump can duck off.

Of course the rest of the world will be interested in Russia massively expanding its territories and power. They're not so stupid to think it won't eventually affect them.

That's what an abuser does; they isolate and gaslight you so you become dependent on them and don't know what to believe.

It's the fascist playbook; everyone's an enemy.

I love Big Brother.