to call my cockerpoo a poodle?

[Thebiggerthecoffeethebetter]

I rescued him last year. I did health testing via a DNA sample as I have done with my other rescues in the past. It can give you an idea of what you might need to prepare for in the future.

Anyway, it also tells you the breed make up and turns out he is 82% poodle which does not surprise me.

WIBU to say he is a poodle when people ask about him? He looks like a poodle, acts like a poodle and turns out is overwhelmingly poodle...🤷🏼‍♀️

I'm just so acutely aware of all the doodle hate and judgement 😭

(obvs his vet record and insurance has the breed make up)

Oh, I'm under no doubt that they'll become their own breed one day. I don't see that as a bad thing either.

But as it stands, there's no breed standard or regulation around them, so there's nothing to stop a 80/20 mix being referred to as a cockapoo (as things stand).

The next generation will begin to breed true. After half a century you will get a breed standard.

Yep, though a few more generations I think and much less than the 500 years you estimate to become a registered breed with the KC. Still means that in the interim the term cockerpoo is a convenient, cute and fashionable name to call a particular cross.

@weegiemum Sort of proves my point above about how much dilution and you can still call a dog a cockerpoo, and/or how many characteristics they take from each breed. People are paying a fortune for "cockerpoo" puppies because they want the cute, fluffy little dogs and your brother's has come out almost all spaniel, whether through too much dilution or just chance.

I just say mine is a poodle/cocker spaniel cross then if people want to say cockapoo then that’s up to them

My boss has two poodle crosses and he's a self made millionaire and hardly thick.

He spends a fortune on dog walkers etc.

Doesn’t mean he hasn’t bought from a puppy farm. Most “designer crosses” are.

they present as very slick,and the new licensing thing means they can sell being “licensed” as a positive, when in reality it just means they are producing multiple litters- ie a puppy farm.

you only need to take a look at some of the big commercial breeder websites to realise how many people are taken in.

then you have the ones who have stunt homes and bitches to convince you it’s a lovely family set up. Or the ones that kindly offer to deliver the dog to you.

then there are the people who know it’s a puppy farm but convince themselves they are “rescuing” the pup.

i have a very intelligent friend who bought from a puppy farm. Only caught on when the dog got very sick.

People let their hearts and cute puppies overrule their heads, even very intelligent people.

Even if he isn't thick, he either knows absolutely nothing about reputable dog breeding, or just doesn't care at all about the welfare of dogs.

ALL Doodles and designer crossbreeds are bred by disreputable, unethical "breeders". It doesn't matter how much money he spends on them, he has still added to the issue of farming mongrels with made-up names. That absolutely is thick.

I used to work with a woman who farmed puppies on the side. She and her husband had whatever dogs were in "fashion" at the time, and would quite literally breed from them until they wither died, or were no longer of use. The dogs and puppies were kept on land away from their house, in sheds. When a potential puppy buyer was due to visit, they'd wash the litter and bring them into the family home on a little fur rug and make it all look idyllic and wonderful. The dogs they didn't need any more were shot.

They regularly change their name on sites like Pets 4 Homes. They're breeding cockapoos and other Doodles at the moment. It was French Bulldogs and Pugs for a while but they're not as popular at the moment.

It absolutely baffles me how people are fine with buying puppies from people like this. Dogs with no backgrounds, health tests, contracts, endorsements, pedigrees, show success, KC Affix. People who advertise puppies online.

They're either really thick, or just don't care because they want a puppy NOW. Or both.

Well I've got a mixed breed (not poodle) and he wasn't from a puppy farm. I'm not sure where my boss got his from so neither of us know if they were from a puppy farm.

Mine has got a name for his mixed breed but I don't use it. I just say what his Mum & Dad were.

Lovely little dog.

He cost the same as my pedigree dog and worth every penny.

Your dog is from a BYB.

Where did your dog come from then? How long did you wait?

the issue with ethical breeders is they have long wait lists. Most people who decide to get a puppy don’t want to wait 2 years.

i do know someone who breeds cockerpoos. I have mixed feelings but I have to give it to her, she follows the same rules as the pedigree breeder I got mine from. it’s one litter every two years, no more than 2 litters per bitch, and she doesn’t have a litter unless she has more than 10 people on a wait list so the pups are all guaranteed homes. She has many people approach her for a dog who won’t wait.

mixed breeds, especially the doodlies, aren’t intentionally bred for any other reason than to make money. My pedigree breeder shows- it’s her hobby, she does crufts etc. other dogs are bred to work. Mixed breeds can’t show and rarely work.

So was my other dog. They're both over 9 years old and have been an absolute joy. We're not having anymore so won't be adding to the problem again. We've not bred either of ours. Not going to lose any sleep about the ones we do have.

@SquashedSquid

using the laughing emoji sarcastically is childish

Crossbreeds, mutts, mongrels, escapees (🤣) they are all lovely dogs, and deserving of a loving caring home. They tend to be healthier and less prone to a lot of the typical problems that pedigrees can get. We have had mainly pedigrees, but we always buy from a reputable KC breeder, and take a look at the dam and sire and back into the pedigree chart before we buy. If you see the same dogs too many times on the pedigree, it’s time to be wary. People pay ridiculous prices for some dogs to be honest. Worst we came across was a Bulldog bitch. Owner was telling me it cost him £8000 (mainly because it was “lilac”) but in second breath said it was never away from vets. We were sat in vets at the time. It was wheezing badly, had skin problems, poor thing. Only young as well😢

I think people are just asking to make polite conversation, so I wouldn't overthink it! Both my rescue dogs are some type of cross breeds that we've never bothered to get DNA tested, they just get refered to as German Shepherd and greyhound when people ask the sex, names etc. I've never thought to refer to them as cross breeds.

I was about to say I remember mixes breeds dogs being called mongrels back in the day! If the dog i had a child was here now I guess he'd be a corkie - half cairn terrier, half Yorkshire terrier....

There are some very good and ethical none KC registered breeders, and it’s not fair to say that everyone breeding designer breeds is puppy farming. But sadly puppy farms do exist. I was shocked to learn that in the USA, it’s something the Amish community are involved in. But good and bad people exist everywhere. The KC have been taken to task at times about some of their supposedly “good” breed qualities. You never saw crippled German Shepherd’s when I was a child, they were usually level backed and very athletic.

I have a cockapoo and 100% agree with this, if asked we would describe him as a cockash#t.

My mixed breed is half Shitzu. DH calls him a LittleShit.

No, there aren't.
Yes, it is fair, because they are.

Call me a twat then.

You have a Mongrel. A mixed breed. A Mutt. A Heinz 57.

Cockapoo
Doodles

aren't breeds, they are mutts.

I have had mixed breeds and pedigrees over the course of my life. They all have personalities, they were all loving.

Clearly a Trump enthusiast🤣 There is no other point of view but mine, and mine is always right. 🤭

Eh? I'm Welsh. What has Trump got to do with mongrels?

I'm not always right, but I am about this. HTH.

Nothing to do with where you live, nationality. It’s more how you approach a discussion…………..

Snap! People are often surprised to hear mine is poodle as he doesn't have the classic fancy poodle haircut. Honestly op, you're over-thinking this

With facts? Even more so of an utterly bizarre comparison.