to think some people think WFH should be a constant nose to the grindstone?

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I think some jobs are like that definitely. Heavy workload, helplines etc

Some people think all WFH should be like this and get horrified because someone hung some washing out or helped out a family member for a short time. Plenty of jobs have flexibility and it is about getting the job done not just being present in front of the computer non stop.

I get all my life admin done throughout the day around work. I do an exercise class most mornings and then start work later on the days I WFH. I will meet up with friends, work on my side business. Nobody cares at my work. All targets are met consistently.

Is it jealousy that people get so upset?

The tide is turning, more and more people are getting hoiked back into the office. Enjoy it while it lasts guys!

I have specific working hours with flexibility. I can do my exercise class in the day and make up in the evening if needed. Or sometimes it is just really quiet - only done an hour's work today.

They think everyone is skiving? I meet all my targets consistently.

@Nothatgingerpirate
Why on earth would you feel qualified to comment

Your opinion is entirely irrelevant

My partner often finds he gets more work done when he WFH instead of in the office. He says it's much harder for people to interrupt him when he's trying to get something done. Sometimes people genuinely need to ask him a question or talk to him about work but often they just want a chat. I know he finds it incredibly frustrating at times.

I think more time is wasted in the office tbh, chatting, trips to the cafe, making drinks and more chatting......

Fortunately my employers are not hoiking us back to the office. Hybrid working in my organisation is here to stay 😂

Why should your employer pay you to have a chat with your colleague in the kitchen about their holiday? But everyone does this when working in the office. It's different to take 5 to hand washing out or make a DC a cup of tea when they get home

Right. So paying local business to do exercise classes or doing your shopping in your local Tesco isn’t supporting the economy 🙄. All of which I did when I was in the office, swam at lunch time and more than once did my shopping in the local Tesco but no not good enough 🙄🙄
Do you mean the goverment want us to pay for over priced coffee and lunches? Because I didn’t do that anyway.

The skivers, the minimalists, the people who never meet deadlines, those who are always late for meetings or calls, we all know or have known people like that.

Because of that, those who wfh get tarred with the same brush.

What it usually means is that lots of people with power have commercial property portfolios.

When I have an approaching deadline I will put in as many unpaid overtime hours as I need to. When I have nothing to do, I will admit to coasting a bit, rather than trying to create extra work for myself. It all evens out.

I’m paid by the hour so I hang my washing out in unpaid time.

I've been one of those nose to the ground stone people. Log on at 9 lunch at 1 for 30 mins log off at 5.30. Only other time I stop would be a loo break morning and afternoon. I made a surprise trip to the office last week. First time in 18 months. Noone came in till 9.30, they faffed about till about 9.46 getting drinks etc. did a bit stopped for 15 mins to get tea runs, did a bit loo break, then lunch everyone took at least an hour or however ling 10000 steps took them and the same in the afternoon. Some of them left for school run, some stayed as late as 4pm!! I was shocked and won't feel guilty again about emptying the dishwasher etc.

Lack of exposure to non-archaic working practises. There are good employers out there. People don't like seeing others with nice circumstances and prefer everyone to be in misery.

Especially coming from the daily mail etc...

Have you ever worked in an office?! Plenty of time wasting goes on in offices and has done for decades. I remember reading in a Dorothy L Sayers book set in an advertising office (from about 100 years ago) the amount of time wasting and how it was a miracle that any work got done.

And remember when half the staff smoked and went off for multiple cigarette breaks on company time?

Some people have both very short memories and no knowledge or even imagination for different kinds of jobs.

@LlynTegid

Where does a minimalist come into it?

When I’m in the office I go to the kitchen and while the kettle is boiling or I’m waiting for someone else to use the coffee machine I’ll have a chat to a colleague. When I’m at home I’ll do some washing up or put a load of washing on while the kettle boils. In both cases I’m away from my desk for 10 minutes.
When I’m in the office I’ll wander to a sandwich shop in my lunch break and spend money I don’t need to. When I’m at home I’ll walk the dog or do an online yoga workout or go on the treadmill. In both cases I’m away from my desk for 1 hour.
Tomorrow morning I have a call with Australia scheduled for 8am. If I had to do a drive to my office 45 miles away to do the call there is no way I’m leaving home at 6:30. As I’m at home I’m going to start work at 8 and then finish an hour early and go and get my hair done. Swings and roundabouts.
I talk to people all over the world, I’m not talking to people next to me in the office. They don’t care where im working from.

The same people who scive when wfh do it in the office too.

I'd love to have a job with more flexible hours though that's for sure.

If something has come in after my deadline I have been known to log on on my day off in order to not have a schedule slip.

I wouldn’t go into a physical office to do that, so those schedules would slip - as they used to in the old full-time office days.

Why is laundry always used as the go-to shirking evidence on threads like this? It takes 5 minutes. Laundry won't help anyone shirk properly.

It's always a little alarming that some people can't grasp the concepts of jobs that aren't measured in solid blocks of eight working hours; or jobs where the amount of work ebbs and flows; or that quality of work has nothing to do with putting your nose the grindstone 9-5; or that quality of work can even improve with non-work breaks. Or just jobs and lives that aren't like their own. If I was beng bitchy I would say no wonder those people are stuck in shit jobs where presenteeism is all that matters, instead of enjoying the autonomy of deciding when and how to do work to a schedule that suits us.

My job is entirely remote, there literally is no office for me to be hoiked back to.

Mine is too, there is an office but as it’s 300 miles away they only expect me in one day a year.

Sorry, I quoted the wrong post.