To ask how we stop dangerous cyclists

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Why do the most dangerous ones wear those stupid little headcams too? YOU'RE the problem, guy.

No. It’s illegal for a start so why should cyclists do something illegal to appease impatient drivers?

And you don’t know when a pedestrian is going to appear anyway.

I actually saw a car obeying the speed limit earlier. I was shocked.

There's one of those signs that shows your speed as you come into town (right outside a primary school no less). Normally most cars are exceeding it by 50%, this one actually respected the limit (we'll overlook the odd 1 or 2mph). Never mind considering the limit to be a target, most people seem to think that it's a minimum. It was so weird seeing a car driving legally.

It is against the law to cycle on the footpath. It's called the "footpath" for a reason. Other than on a motorway ("motor" being a key word there), roads are for all to use, they are not reserved for cars.

That depends on where you are.

Cycling on a footpath is mostly legal in Scotland. Cycling on a footway (aka pavement - a path next to a road) is not, unless it has been designated as shared use.

so mots for bikes, drug and drink testing and speed checks shouldn't be a issue

I think the same thing could be said for drivers. I am both so must be a double pain I the arse. There's so much bad cycling and so much bad driving. But bad driving results much more likely injury and death of others than cycling (which can on rare occasion cause injury and death but nowhere near as often as driving).

No because you don't know who's going to step into the pavement. My friend had their arm broken by some twat cycling on the pavement.

But that would be an enormous waste of money. You might be fine for your taxes to be spent wasting money in this way but I’m not.

Why are you so desperate to equate cyclists with motorists? I mean, I’m a fair weather cyclist who loves her car and understands full well that cycling isn’t the answer for everyone, but I know full well our roads would be far safer with fewer cars and more bikes.

Cars, cows, bicycles, lightning, mobility scooters. Have a go at ranking them in order of pedestrian deaths. Look up the stats and then decide if stopping dangerous cycling should still be the priority or if it should be buying insulating rubber boots for all instead.

And yet it would ensure all vehicle users would be held to the same standards.

Although a drunk cyclist is really only a danger to themselves, statistically speaking, whereas drunk drivers....carnage

And I still believe that they should be held to the same standards as other road users and vehicle owners.

Not all vehicle users have the same impact - on the roads, in the environment, on people.
Why on earth do you find this so hard?

I'm not finding anything "so hard".
I have a different view to you, It can't be the first time that this has happened.

I’ve never conversed with anyone so very determined to think that cyclists and motorists are the same.

Do you believe that they have the same impact in roads, on the environment, in people and in safety?

Who said that they were the same?

I said that they should have the same standards.
Both should be fit to be on the road.
Both should follow the rules of the road
Both users should be fit to use their vehicle.
Why is that hard to understand?

Wait til Fripp finds out car drivers aren’t held to the same standards as those who drive HGVs or drive blue light vehicles. That little mind is gonna blow!

You haven’t answered my question.

because they have nothing to do with the thread.

you might want to go away and think about that. If your tiny mind can take it.

@FrippEnos at what age do you think children cycling should be held to the same standards as adults driving cars?

There have been threads on our local Nextdoor chat saying that children shouldn’t cycle at all and that adults cycling with children in bike trailers or similar should be banned. Basically roads should just be for cars. I do despair sometimes

So what? Threads move on, conversations change. Plenty of threads stray from the original issue.

Be honest. You haven’t answered because you can’t. There’s nothing to stop you even if it isn’t the original issue, nothing will happen to you if you do so.

The age of criminal responsibility is 10
riding on the road is 13
the age where they can ride a moped is 16 but they need to pass a test
The age that they can drive a car is 17
take your pick.

I would like to see something like the old cycling proficiency test come back which was about at 10/11 so they would at least have some road awareness and some spatial awareness.

More importantly I would like the parents to be made legally responsible for the bikes being road worthy.

How many unroadworthy bikes are on the road? How much damage have they done?