Do you believe there's another realm and medium's can tap into it?

[Julia2016]

I do. I believe the energy of the dead never dies, it is with us but in another realm. Sometimes it comes through to our realm. AIBU?

I am a bit sceptical about medium's though. Interested to hear other people's view on this.

Wow, this thread is so informative.

I understand that energy not being destroyed doesn't mean it stays with the person when they die. I get that it can be absorbed into the earth etc.

For me, I choose to believe the energy of the person doesn't die and that energy is part of their soul and it exists in another realm. The spirit part is more the religious feeling around it but I mean their soul when I mentioned energy.

I do believe in another realm. It isn't beyond the possibility that our loved ones may try and communicate with us. I don't think that's through a medium, although there may be people who can align themselves more with another realm or are more sensitive to another realm.

As someone upthread said, we are a mere dot in the universe, we don't have all the answers.

I remember when my dad died, I was with him when he passed away. An hour later I went back in to the room and his soul was so gone, it was startling how gone he was.

It gives me comfort. I think sometimes they come to us. Although sadly, I don't believe my brother is at rest over something that's here on earth that he's not happy about. I think he manifested in some way that day the shimmer came for that reason, he wants me to fix it.

This is very silly. There were a couple of theories about the disposal of RIII’s body — the most credible that it had been given a hasty burial in Greyfriars, which was demolished after the Dissolution of the monasteries, and the area multiply built over (though some historians thought the bones had been thrown into the Soar after the foundation was dissolved). The site of the monastic foundation was of course known (despite all the changes of use on the site, surrounding streets even still have names referring to the Franciscans), though not exactly where the monastery’s church was within the site. This was all established by research, not psychic intuition or ‘mediumship’! The real luck was that the area where the grave was hadn’t been built on, because even with good research, the city council wasn’t going to demolish part of a building to dig trenches. And of course the trifecta of Philippa Langley and the Ricardians’ obsession, crowdfunding, and getting the city council onside with the idea of it being a potential tourist attraction.

But the "dead" person the medium is channelling may still be alive in another dimension and thus in theory contactable.....

@SorcererGaheris Ronald Hutton's background and beliefs are on his Wiki page, and don't seem to have prevented him getting an OBE for services to History....

As Derren Brown once said, if our loved ones who have died wanted to speak to us they wouldn't choose to do it via strangers charging us money

I'm not sure either that the dead would be hanging around on the offchance that their loved one might attend one of these things on a particular day and that Doris down the function suite might want to invite them for a chat

Unless of course Doris is claiming that she can reach out among the billions of people who've died and attract a particular one, which would be even more ridiculous

A couple of unexplainable things have happened to me after the deaths of loved ones, so my mind is very open.
Whether 'mediums' can tap into that, I have no idea...it's not beyond the realms of possibility to me.
I do believe there are many charlatans around, so personally, I would never visit one.

Someone far smarter than me once said that there are more things in heaven and earth than can be dreamt of in our philosophy. But generally speaking, I don't believe mediums are one of them.

Other than Whoopi Goldberg in Ghost. She was cool.

Looking at the wording of the Wikipedia entry for him, it doesn’t actually state that Ronald Hutton is currently a practitioner or believer (although he’s understood to be so by many pagans and occultists.)

The Wikipedia page states that he was raised Pagan and that he’s a much-loved figure in the British Pagan community (because a lot of his historical work has focused on Pagan Britain.) But it doesn’t specify that he himself is a practicing Pagan and refers to him stating that his own beliefs are “a private matter” and that “to some extent history occupies the space in my life filled in that of others by religion and spirituality.”

Essentially, it’s worded in such a way that it gives room for ‘plausible deniability’ that Hutton is a believer/Pagan nowadays. One could very easily take from his Wikipedia page that he’s merely interested in Paganism in the historical aspect and doesn’t believe in it.

A niece has been told astonishing things by a medium she knows slightly, but this woman doesn’t charge, and there was no appointment - it was at a casual meeting. Niece had a ring that had belonged to an elderly relative who’d not long died hundreds of miles away.

While holding the ring, the medium related (among other things) an incident that happened when the relative was close to death - my sister (living a long distance from niece) had been there while relative was dying, and had witnessed it, but niece had known nothing about it. She had to check with her mother. It wasn’t anything you could guess or make up.
Make of that what you will.

It’s pretty much what Doris Stokes claimed, yes, and, absolutely, tremendously silly, if it weren’t for her cynical exploitation of the bereaved for profit. She routinely reserved the from three rows of her shows for her personal invitees, local people who’d been bereaved, sometimes very recently, and whom she’d phoned to invite, eliciting personal details about themselves and the dead person that she then presented as messages from the dead at her shows. Unwittingly, the recently bereaved were her plants or stooges.

That, and the fact that she had faithful followers/superfans who attended all shows, and about whom she knew lots, and regularly delivered ‘messages’ from dead loved ones, made up the first half of every show, and meant she could skate through the second halves on guesswork and cold reading.

Disgusting, indefensible behaviour, coached as adorable ‘nation’s grandma’ stuff.

No.

What is your 100% proof?

I went to see a well known local medium many decades ago at a local event. Last minute decision, she knew absolutely nothing about me. I was sceptical throughout, but many people seemed genuinely impressed by her readings. On the way out she stopped me at the door, and said you don’t need to come here, you have the gift. I thought righto, she’s going to try and sell me her book or something. She then correctly told me my star sign, and then told me three or four things that would happen within five years. I nodded, thanked her and we left. She had asked me absolutely nothing. Everything she told me happened, a couple of them against the odds. I completely think she was genuine. My ex was with me at the event and with me when the things happened. Neither of us could believe it possible.

I then developed an interest in mediums, and saw two or three more. Complete waste of time and money, they used all the cold calling tricks in the book.

I think there is another realm, some people have the ability to tap into it, many others claim that ability to exploit others for financial gain.

I think there are things we don't understand but I do think there is some spiritual life after death. I was a sceptic for a longtime and I visited a lady who did tarot readings. This lady didn't advertise as being a medium.

I didn't tell her anything about me but she picked up on my grans spirit. The spirit took over her body to the point where this lady was gasping for breath. Her chest was tight and she was coughing and weasing right in front of me. My gran died of lung cancer. She would have never have known that.

She held my hand and lightly slapped the top of my hand. This is what my gran did to tell me off when I was a little girl. Again, she wouldnt have known this in a million years and I believe it was a message from my gran to tell me she's around.

There is a difference between a tarot reader and a medium. Some tarot readers just read the cards and guess and are incredibly vague, so its open to interpretation. Mediums pick up on their senses.

If you are open to spirituality, its like a 6th sense. Some people have it and some don't and will never understand.

This is something that interest me but I haven't really had to chance to explore. I however very conscious of energy around people or in rooms/houses. I also very intune with my intuition.

Make of it what you will.

Yes Ronald Hutton ( who I have the pleasure of meeting many times) has always been very private about his beliefs and I believe it is on record somewhere that he said his interest in Early Modern beliefs and practices did not help his career.

It's starting to get more academic study now though which is both a good and a bad thing.

Don’t know about other realms. But our energy needs to go somewhere

hmmmm…. I believe in life after love. I just really don’t think it’s strong enough…

I believe in it, though don't believe all mediums are real.
I've had entire conversations repeated back to me when there used to be no way that person could know. There's been other things that cannot be explained. It's not all vague nonsense that could suit anyone.

@Elphame "Yes Ronald Hutton ( who I have the pleasure of meeting many times) has always been very private about his beliefs and I believe it is on record somewhere that he said his interest in Early Modern beliefs and practices did not help his career"

My point was that his beliefs are there for all to see on Wikipedia, and do not appear to have prevented him getting an OBE for services to History. Or being elected a fellow of the British Academy.

Incidentally, some, if not all, of his Gresham College lectures are available online, and are very much worth a listen.

What is this energy that must go somewhere? Our bodies generate energy while we're alive, like every other living creature. After we're dead, they create energy by decomposition or combustion. You're radiating energy right now.

As far as I can see, nobody's saying that the energy our bodies create - the sort that can be measured in degrees, rads, decibels or joules - carries on existing all by itself, without a body to create or contain it. That would be nuts.

So what is it, please? Is it actually energy, or do you mean something else entirely? If it is energy, it has physical properties that could be measured. If not, is it something in us while we're alive, after which it sort of migrates as a weightless, invisible blob, or does the body produce it at death?

It’s people misunderstanding the term ‘energy’, and wishful thinking making them think ‘energy never dies, it simply transforms’ is a comment on the ‘soul’, not physics.

Think of it like this, people who are confused. When you charge your mobile, you put electrical energy into it, which is converted into chemical energy stored in the battery, plus some given off as waste heat. When you use your phone, the chemical energy stored in the battery is converted back into electrical energy which powers the phone, again with some given off as waste heat. If you measured all the energy that has gone into your phone and all that comes out, it will the same — that is what we mean by energy not dying but being transformed.

It’s not a handwavy ‘spiritual’ statement meaning an individual human consciousness continues in some form beyond the death of their body because their soul escapes as ‘energy’.

When we’re alive our bodies derive the energy they need to fuel their processes from taking in food, their own fat stores etc — chemical energy becoming, say, the electrical processes of the brain and nerves. When we die, different chemical reactions start breaking the body down as food for other organisms to fuel themselves via decomposition, and our heat dissipates into the surroundings. That’s what meant by energy ‘not dying’ but being transformed into other forms. Same as a pond drying up in a drought or a kettle boiling dry. The water is fine, it’s just evaporated, so it exists in a different form, as water vapour, but there’s no pond any more, and no kettle of water you could make tea with.

As Brian Cox put it "Our story is the story of the Universe. Every piece of everything, of everything you love and everything you hate, of the thing you hold most precious, was assembled by the forces of nature in the first few minutes of the life of the Universe, transformed in the hearts of the stars or created in their fiery deaths. And when you die, those pieces will be returned to the Universe in the endless cycle of death and rebirth. What a wonderful thing it is to be part of that Universe. What a story, what a majestic story"

That is beautiful.

@Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast "That is beautiful."
Yes- it was read at my mother's funeral. I always think of it when people go on about how the lives of atheists and non believers in the paranormal must be grey and dull and devoid of magic.

It doesn't say what his beliefs are! Other than that he was raised pagan. That does not mean that he is pagan. Many people are raised in religions that they do not believe in.

The damage to his career was early on as I understand it and fortunately not permanent as more historians came on board with studying that element of British history. Exeter University currently even offers a masters degree in Magic and Occult Sciences which I would love to do but can't afford!