To believe that eating meat should be illegal?

[BySpoonyBlueScroller]

The environmental damage and animal cruelty outweighs the cultural or personal benefits. AIBU to think it’s time to outlaw meat production?

DiscoBaIIs · Today 09:40

Moonmelodies · Today 09:39
What should be done with all the farm animals?
Really? We'd just stop breeding them

How would that work in practice with million upon million in the UK alone?

With respect I think you are completely out of order to attack a farmer who is giving the very best care to their animals.

I agree killing animals is something we should move away from - it seems medieval considering we have iphones AI and viable meat alternatives.

Attacking a farmer who is one of the last to actual treat their animals with care and respect is ridiculous.

Last one out, turn off the lights

No, but it should go back to being a luxury. Before the Second World War and a bit after, chicken was a treat. Now these poor creatures (who are unfortunate not to be taboo in most world religions, unlike pigs or beef) are cruelly farmed and slaughtered in their millions every day.

We should eat far less and be prepared to pay more for meat and NOT waste any of it.

I'm a veggie. I would only eat game, which has not been farmed. I'm not morally against eating meat, only the cruel industrial farming methods. Creatures like pheasants and red deer which live a natural life in the wild and are then dispatched by shooting suffer far, far less than a farmed chicken or turkey.

I will not mention the barbaric details of the process here (I'm not that sort of vegetarian...) but it's always baffled me that people get het up about fox hunting and pheasant shooting while happily chomping on a chicken which may have been kept in a cage all its short life, crushed into some kind of transport and then dismembered alive.

You are right about the dairy. It's an abhorrent industry.

Humans CAN thrive on WFPB (whole foods plant based) diets. Animals who are carnivores obviously can't. Herbivores can. Omnivores too. They don't have morals - this is what separates humans from the rest of the animal kingdom. Only some of us don't have morals.

I do also believe eating meat ( or using any animal products) will not be a thing in 20 - 30 years time.

Anyone advocating organic, small scale, ethical meat producers should definitely put their support behind this.. Elwood organic dog meat.

https://www.elwooddogmeat.com/

No worries. You want to ban meat then form a political party with this as its manifesto, win a majority of seats and pass the law. Right now no mainstream party has any mandate to do this so it's down to you op!

With due respect, they are NOT giving the very best care to "their" animals. They are literally only using them for profit. They are literally sending them off to be slaughtered. But hey, it's only a 15 minute drive away, so that's fine.

Hello and thanks for the reports. We suspect that the OP did not start this thread with the best of intentions - they will not be returning. However as it has gained momentum we are going to let it run for now.
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Amazing how much vegetarian and vegan food is imported. Once they start eating only food produced here, they can start lecturing us on meat-eating.

A lot of the information about animal production and welfare is based on systems other than that in the UK too.

If we're going down that route -

we should make processed food illegal before we make natural meat illegal.

( I don't think either one should be illegal)

@Octopies actually, offering free sterilisation to young people who are likely to remain poor, is not a terrible idea. For once the population growth problem isn’t western countries in general - and there are political issues with enforced mass sterilisation.

I am gently encouraging my kids to consider being child-free by choice, or having one child at a very young age. In a few decades time, I do not think the world will be a good place to have a young family.

There have been two other threads started recently in a similar way to this, that make me wonder if they are started just to gauge public opinion. The other two were about banning inheritance and making adultery illegal. Feels like the government nudge unit at play to me.

We'd literally just stop breeding them. That's it.

For people who profess to be aghast at people eating animals there are some callous views about how to take this forward.

Also would you have police stationed st every river and coastline? Or don't fish count?

I said we're moving away from working dogs. This includes guide dogs.

They could go to Ellwood!

https://www.elwooddogmeat.com/

This is basically my stance too. We're not meant to eat as much meat as we do (as a species, currently). I don't think it's realistic to outlaw meat but we do need to reduce our consumption and I would like to see all farming and meat production done ethically. Won't happen though as it's too expensive to do that. Market forces etc etc.

I don’t think a cow has “preferences”

My husband is vegetarian which makes me vegetarian at home because it doesn't remotely bother me not eating meat -I sometimes do at a restaurant or other people's houses. If I couldn't ever eat meat again I wouldn't be that bothered even though it is delicious.
Presumably we wouldn't need to keep sheep other than for wool? Or would that be out too? Pigs, cattle, turkey and chickens would just disappear as they no longer have any use and aren't in the food chain of other animals (in the UK anyway -how do we square that circle in the wild?)
Plastic use increases in the absence of leather as a side product of the meat industry.
As PPs have noted, wildlife killed by the absolute billions in order to clear land for arable.

I think the only way is to make prices sufficiently high so that fewer people can afford to buy meat - but if legislation was tightened up around animal welfare in farming then at least animals would be treated better and have happier lives. I know that sounds elitist but such is life -just because we desire something we don't have an automatic right to it.

I'd be really interested in hearing how @BySpoonyBlueScroller @DiscoBaIIs etc live their lives. i.e. what transportation they use, what electronics they have, what brands of clothes & where they buy from, how many kids they have. Even their whole fresh food - where do you get them from?

It can only remain a freedom of choice. If no one ate meat then certain breeds of animals would become extinct. The farmers are not going to keep them as pets. Where would the fertiliser come from to grow all the veggies that we would require? Would we want chemically produced fertilisers to encourage crop production. I admire your stance on this subject. I eat very little meat in my diet but cannot see how this would work in reality. I think more should be done to make sure that the animals are treated well when they are alive. I would love your idea to be achievable and could quite easily live without meat, but I would not go as far as becoming a Vegan.

Callous, how?

If I were PM, I'd ban the meat and dairy industries to start with. I doubt it would be feasible to police the streams, but we'd officially ban fishing, much like fox hunting is banned. I do think that in due course, humans will stop with these barbaric practices.

It absolutely will be.

No. I love the stuff. What do you think will happen to the animals? They won't be kept as pets!