To believe that eating meat should be illegal?

[BySpoonyBlueScroller]

The environmental damage and animal cruelty outweighs the cultural or personal benefits. AIBU to think it’s time to outlaw meat production?

AIBU to think it's time to outlaw human reproduction, because of the environmental impact?

You don't have to eat meat but don't try to police what I eat thanks.

😂couldn't agree more!

Leave them to eat the vegetarian/vegan options. Then we can go back to enjoying a nice steak

Would it mean there would be illegal meat dealers if it was? That you'd have to go to some shady backstreet area of town to meet a man selling pork chops and legs of lamb?

Whole food veganism is about as close as we can get now after thousands of years of moving away from what would have been natural for us. None of us eat now as nature intended whether we include animal products or not. Human beings can survive and thrive on vegan diets, and by avoiding the type of animal products typically eaten we can reduce our chances of some nasty diseases, help keep ourselves at a healthy weight and up our consumption of nutritious whole foods. As a woman living in a world that has almost no resemblance to my what would be my natural state, that's good enough for me.

What about all of the other things that use animals; clothes, medicines, musical instruments etc? Also what would you do with the animals that need to be culled to protect the ecosystem? I am currently in an area where they are culling deers are we supposed to let them just rot away?

people eating less meat and having an alternative to animal by products will help but you need to look into all of the ramifications if you make it illegal. Solve the bigger picture.

Which crops would grow on a steep mountainside?

And food security is a real issue for this country.

Is it excessive regulation? Or is it supermarkets

My version of this is that the regulations mean increased costs. And so farmers have to buy new equipment, introduce additional processes to meet whatever new regulation is piled on top of the mountain of existing regulation. Then it’s true that the market will only pay so much for a product, there is a ceiling so you have to go high volume to make a living - which does mean that welfare goes down the list of priorities. Unfortunately, and not by the choice of the farmers.

The supermarkets basically act on behalf of consumers by demanding the best price. I find that part understandable, it’s the time consuming and costly regulations (most of which are made by bureaucrats who don’t understand practicalities) that flow down to welfare the most. It’s why farmers voted for Brexit on the promise that there’d be fewer regulations:

Take Avian Flu at the moment, the bureaucrats are seconds away from forcing all hens to be locked inside for months on end, I have a deep concern for the welfare of our 200 hens if that happens. But they play a no risk for bureaucrat / politician game, they don’t want to be seen to have let one person get bird flu so they’ll happily cull one million birds (last week in Somerset…barn animals too so make of that what you will- I.e. the remedy is supposed to be putting them indoors?) and farmers cannot make their own decisions on welfare even if bird flu isn’t even in the area. Caging our hens will be cruel, and the risk is so miniscule imo. It will also cost us money. A lot of farmers resent being told what’s best for animals by people who’ve never stepped foot in a farm and make the presumption, like on this thread, that we are murderous psychopaths who don’t care for animals

From an ethical perspective, I would love to have the willpower to give up meat. I think I’ll get there one day.

Evolutionary speaking, we wouldn’t be where we are now without eating meat. If we hadn’t learned how to cook meat, and make the nutrients and proteins more easily available to us, we’d probably still be scratching around in the dirt and grunting at each other.

Oh, hang on…😂

Humans are not natural vegetarians/herbivores, even though we manage well enough without meat. But then again so do dogs (but not cats - anyone trying to make a cat vegan should be banned from owning them).

Are you including the farming of insects as meat ?

Because some countries already farm insects & this could be expanded worldwide as an easy source of food

I’ve witnessed a horse eating a pork pie before 😂, he picked it up off the road before his handler could stop him.

I'm surprised that chocolate has been flying, unmentioned, under the bad-for-the-environment radar. Kilo for kilo, producing dark chocolate is second only to beef production, in producing the highest level of greenhouse gases.

But presumably vegans already know this and so a bit of chocolate never crosses their meat-free lips.

People saying "but what would happen to all the animals?!" You do realize we BREED them into existence? Maybe we should stop bringing innocent life into the world just to murder them.

what do you think think the millions of people who rely on the meat industry for their jobs are going to do?

Why should we who live in a free country be dictated to in what we can eat!

and edited to add have you actually looked at the environmental footprint of vegetables and other veggie/vegan food stuff?

Yes, on a naan with chilli and mayo

" what we can eat" I think you mean WHO not what.

I think relatively few vegans are such because of the environmental impact of eating meat.

So are you saying to just kill all agricultural animals once and for all? Make them extinct?

if we release them into the wild, they will breed you know? And if we aren’t allowed to shoot them..::I don’t know what would happen but presumably herds of wild boar (it takes 6 weeks for a domesticated pig to go wild again, tusks and all) and maybe a few wild bull crashing into your garden at night. Sounds cool to me tbh

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying, it'd be better for them to be extinct than bred for us to destroy.

How are you going to fertilise the land you need to grow your crops?

The PM can't just ban things, that's not how our constitution works! You would have to get a bill through Parliament. And I doubt that MPs would vote for it-apart from anything else, it would not make them popular in their constituencies, particularly the rural ones.

I have not eaten any meat or meat products for decades !

I do eat dairy, eggs, some fish, honey

My friend owns a happy, healthy dairy farm, so I know exactly how it functions

How many of you have visited a working farm ?

It does not make me any healthier or any more spiritual than anyone else

I let other people make their own choices

In other countries & cultures , some people do not have such a variety of choices of food or life's

I do not believe that eating animals will ever become illegal (humans killing mammoths)