To believe that eating meat should be illegal?

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The environmental damage and animal cruelty outweighs the cultural or personal benefits. AIBU to think it’s time to outlaw meat production?

How about if the poster scavenged eggs from the nests of ground-nesting birds (as foxes, other birds and and other omnivores do? Would that be legit as it's 'as nature intended' (inasmuch as one can say nature has intentions)? Is it the eating of animals and eggs or the imprisonment of them that is at issue?

Do you actually want to live in a dictatorship then?

I was vegetarian for 20 years. I went to live on a farm, and I started eating animals because I realised they are utter fucking bastards lol. I would look at some of them and think 'i can't fucking wait to send you to the slaughter house'. Pigs and cows are both awful animals, I'd happily kill and eat one any day. I think people have very fluffy ideas of what animals are like that do not at all align with reality.

I guess they'd cope like the deer do.

Anyway. No one is saying release them in to the wild. The vegan answer is to just stop them being bred in the first place.

Ha!
This made me laugh.

Both. I don't view animals as being here for human use.

I completely agree with vegetarians, if that's what you want to do ( though eating eggs is a bit odd) but when I was told that vegans won't eat honey, I did have a little/ long giggle .Those bees can move to somewhere else if they want. I kind of get the feeling that vegans think that the world would be better without humans. A paradise with no people just the animals EATING each other. Yep. Makes heaps of sense. There could be a few pale vegans wandering around until a lion ate them. Oh well..

I bet most alien planets are like this, without a humanoid-type race taking over.

All human beings are omnivores, regardless of what individuals choose to eat or not eat.

It is perfectly natural and normal for us to eat meat as part of a balanced diet. It is not wrong. I live in the countryside, surrounded by cute animals. I understand their primary purpose is to feed humans and other meat-eating creatures, so suffer no conflict or dissonance by eating them.

That is nature. It is not wrong and it would be absurd for some wimpy pink-haired vegan to attempt to ban meat and dairy products.

Besides, vegan plant-based substitutes are absolutely minging shite.

No because they don't! Also they are not usually slaughtered before 4 months.

Vegetarians are normally urban. It's pretty rare for those working in farming or allied industries to be vegetarians

See if there was a way of knowing in the shop which milk/cheese was produced in this way I would 100% pay a serious premium for the ethical stuff.

I think it's having breastfed myself, once you have you just can't look at the dairy industry the same way and it really bothers me. I don't imagine animals intellectualise it the way we do, or feel love in the way we would understand it, but I can fully imagine them sharing that instinct I had as a mammal with a newborn to be close, to nourish them and to keep them safe. That doesn't require anything 'sophisticated' emotionally or mentally, indeed it was the most democratising experience I've ever had and really brought home to me how much we as humans are animals, and all the supplementary stuff is just that, what we've done with our big brains when we didn't need to use every bit of them on the basic stuff of staying alive and passing on our genes.

Disagree. My family comes from farming and loads of us are vegetarian as a result. Still live in the area and plenty of families in Cornwall, urban and countryside, are vegetarian.

Are they here for each others' use? Rats eating eggs/baby chicks out of nests for e.g.?

you do know that humsns are omnivores?

I grew up on a farm killing chickens and eating this year’s calf annually. Still been vegetarian for over 30 years.

Good for you and your family but that is not the case for a lot of people. Loads of vegans have to go back to eating meat again because they are not thriving. Should we deprive these people of meat when they need it for their health? Leave us meat people alone! I cannot thrive on a vegan diet and it would have a disastrous impact on many peoples health to ban meat. Let’s see how our health system would cope with that

There are approx 1.9 million dairy cows in the UK if we stop drinking milk tomorrow what do you propose we do with them. All would have to be humanly destroyed within 48 hours to stop them dying an hideous death and none ever bred again, dairy cows would become extinct. Is that what you want? You do know don’t you that all formula baby milk is cows milk based what are suggested all formula should be soya? Many are allergic to soya. Are you planning an international ban on dairy cows or just a UK wide one because if you only thinking a UK one milk and any milk based product will be imported from other countries who’s welfare standards and regulations re antibiotic use may not be as stringent as ours.
I live opposite a dairy farm I dont see unhappy abused animals far from it. As every dairy farmer knows happy cows produce more milk. In fact keeping horses in stables 24/7 is much more cruel.

I guess it's easier to have a giggle at things you don't understand than educate yourself. If you can control your mirth long enough, maybe read why vegans don't eat honey. Spoiler: It's not because they're so stupid they don't think an individual bee can fly away from a human. You might read it and disagree or not care, but at least you'll not be saying daft things based on ignorance of the reasoning behind it. Also, what with the 'pale' business? Do you think all vegans share a skin tone?

Hear hear. Though I didn’t actually grasp what that poster meant — is she actually under the impression beekeepers chase down individual bees or something?

I think the main thing the world needs at the moment is for people who aren't experts, or even vaguely knowledgeable, about topics, to stop making sweeping decisions about them.

Glad to see that someone still have brain cells left

This! Vegans don’t realise how many animal are killed in the process of growing their food

The meat processing industry employs over 97000 people in the UK.
Dairy farms upwards of 50000, dairy processing 20000 at least.
That would be a catastrophic loss of employment in the UK.

But I would also have to ask where would you draw the line? Arable farming as a whole is cruel on wild animals and the destruction of natural habitats which would only be further exacerbated by the repurposing of (mostly left wild) livestock fields. Are wild animal less deserving of compassion? What about animals used in medical research? Maybe you turned down the Covid vaccines? Or MMR? HPV?

Exactly

I eat meat, though I’m not a huge meat eater, but attitudes like this just makes me want to eat more 😆