To believe that eating meat should be illegal?

[BySpoonyBlueScroller]

The environmental damage and animal cruelty outweighs the cultural or personal benefits. AIBU to think it’s time to outlaw meat production?

I’m a sheep farmer.

But it’s not just cultural, is it? It’s biological.

Hate to be the one to point this out but agricultural farming is just as environmentally damaging and causes animal cruelty. All that farming land has to go somewhere and trees need to be removed for it. The chemical pesticides used to enhance yield cause untold damage to the wildlife. The machines used to plow and harvest the land kill animals and cause unnecessary stress. But how cute does an animal have to be before the vegans become invested in their cause?

Nobody with any sense thinks animals are all lovely top each other like they are in a Disney movie. But we are BETTER than other animals in the way we can think about what we are doing, and we can make better choices.

There is no such thing as humane slaughter. Why do we not euthanize old cats and dogs at the slaughtehouse, if it is so humane?

100% agree. Vegan-shaming is seen as acceptable now. It won't be in the future.

This has already been answered, but yay you for thinking you've said something original.

So you profit from death. I grew up on a dairy farm. I disagree with you.

Indeed. We always get the same complaints when David Attenborough and others film animal brutality in the wild - whether killing prey for food, lions killing cubs that were fathered by a rival lion or other - and don't step in to stop it.

Animals don't have these fluffy sensitivities that we do.

Here's a little thought experiment.

The dairy farm has blown up. No more cow or goat milk.

Your pet dog is still lactating though. Fancy squeezing on her nips for a drop of milk in your morning tea? If the thought of that is disgusting to you, think about why. Maybe you shouldn't be drinking cow's milk either.

Sheep HARMER. There, fixed it for you.

Any woman who has ever breastfed can tell you that. being engorged is uncomfortable. Stands to bloody reason.

The reason the dairy industry is morally questionable isn't because you milk them; it's because you take their young away from them, which is why they need milking in the first place.

If I kick a dog, people will try to stop me, and I'll even likely be charged.

To be fair, I don't think most people would happily see you go into a field and kick a sheep or cow for fun.

There's a huge difference between killing as humanely as possible for food and just sadistic brutality for no reason whatsoever.

It's a tricky one to police . More awareness of environmental impact? Less ready meals/ fast food options with meat?

We do vegetarian 4 days a week.

Eggs and dairy though?

We generally don’t eat cats and dogs because they are carnivores. We mostly eat ruminants.

It’s not actually a moral thing, more of a nutrient thing

I don’t take their young away from them?

Yes, I eat eggs and dairy. My.mum doesnt eat eggs though, and at 80, she is super fit, a size 8, and hikes for a hobby.
My sole objection is to plant based being confused with eating processed shit.
That's like saying meat eaters eat only processed shit.

@DiscoBaIIs you will never convert the masses beng aggressive and rude. You almost seem gleeful - Attacking a farmer who treats their animals well and supplies good meat to the country.

A shift is happening through advances in technology, hopefully we won't need to have a meat industry where animals are killed anymore.

I know it is wrong. I have always known it to be wrong, but I still eat meat. That doesn't mean that when I eat meat I don't feel uncomfortable a lot of the time - I have a conscience.

As I said we are less civilised in some ways. Not long ago, we would kill our own livestock and say a prayer for the life lost.

Tuna?

If only people were forced to watch inside the slaughterhouse. Out of sight, out of mind.

I am not ATTACKING a farmer. S/HE is the one attacking animals. I am merely pointing that out.

I think you need help

Or to see some actual real farms in action and not the vegan propaganda films

If you continue to milk them, they will continue to overproduce milk. Milk that is meant for their babies. And overproduction is bad for the mums. Leave them be.
What do you do with the boy goats? What do you do with the female goats once they have passed lactating age?

Yes or be made to do a type of National Service in an abbatoir.

It's not propaganda if it is direct footage from farms and slaughterhouses. You're only calling it propaganda to ease your conscience. It is what it is.