To say that prisons should be abolished altogether?

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Rehabilitation and community justice models work better than locking people away. AIBU to think prisons are outdated and ineffective?

Unless you're suggesting we hang people like the Southport murderer and Sara Sharif's 'father' (which I'd have NO issue with), then you ABVU...

Not all prisoners can be rehabilitated eg terrorists and pedophiles

Have you or your loved ones been a victim of a serious crime ?

Is this a journalist post? Trying to get the mummies all worked up on MN? They all read the same those kinds of posts. I don’t know why anyone responds in good faith.

If someone punches you in the face and says sorry then punched you again and says sorry. Are they sorry?

I mean everyone’s who’s in jail says they are either sorry or innocent. A bloody lot if/when released do it again. Were they really sorry/innocent/rehabilitated. No, no and no.

The murder rate in El Salvador peaked in 2015 at about 106 murders per 100,000 population, in 2024 it was 1.9 per 100,000 people.

A country which prioritises the safety of it citizens over the "human rights" of it's criminals is not uncivilised.

Children can now go to school without fear of being kidnapped or murdered on their way there.

You can debate the ethics of the methods by which this staggering reduction in crime has been achieved and you can characterise it legalised violence, brutality and cruelty if you like but it has demonstrably resulted in less crime.

We keep getting posts like this. Has some sixth form debating group discovered MN and looking for points to put forward?

Absolutely not. Prisons are to keep us safe. The end.

Are you bored OP, noticed you have not come back. Post is goady and stupid.

This is the mantra of the privileged. Who gives a shit about the people prisoners have harmed/abused/killed, as long as OP is able to bask in the righteous glow of their luxury beliefs.

Obviously prisons in the UK in their current form are failing inmates, but what they need is reform not abolition.

I Would like to see more done to rehabilitate criminals and to prevent crime before it happens.

I thought it a waste of tax money to send Jeffrey Archer to prison when he wasn’t a danger to the public. Other punishment should have been used. Should we use prison for crimes such as shoplifting,prostitution non payment of council tax or things like that, then no I think rehabilitation or help or education or something else would be better.

Do I think anyone ever thought that Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, the Wests or someone like Charles Bronson should have ever been realised then no that would be insane.

Totally agree with this.

Chris Daw KC wrote a book called 'Justice on Trial' where he advocates for just this approach. It makes a lot of sense.

I remember reading that the Norwegian prison system is based on the fact that virtually all prisoners will be released one day, and will be someone's neighbour - therefore from their first day in prison, the aim is to work towards their release day, and making them the best neighbour they can be.
Maybe that's why their recidivism rate is so much lower than ours? And why America, who is all about dehumanisation of prisoners, has such a high rate?

What a naive view. What do you think Peter Sutcliffe or Levi Bellfield would have done with themselves if they hadn’t been placed in jail?

Carried on murdering women of course. Why would you want that?

I don't want anyone trying to rehabilitate the likes of Peter Sutcliffe, Levi Belfield, Rose West, Joanna Denehy etc. in the community. Some people cannot be rehabilitated and should never see the light of day again.

I find it hard to trust the so called skilled experts when we already see prisoners being released and reoffending. Didn't the 'skilled experts' want John Warboys released? No doubt some people like the OP would want him to be rehabilitated.

I’m guessing the OP lives in a lovely leafy detached house somewhere the released prisoners are very unlikely to be living next door to…

Do you know any prisoners? Why do you think they’re all sorry? they don’t say that at all, it’s just the cost of doing business for most of them.

We need to build more prisons.

For the less jail time they either claim they are sorry or they don’t and just protest they are innocent.

My point was that most are liers who will say and do what they feel will work best for them and still go on to commit crimes again.

No. If someone Commits sexual assault, castrate them no second chances, if they murder someone then execute them, ditto terrorists. Prison should be harsh and punishing but I do think locking up petty criminals is a waste of time. We have a massive skills shortage in the UK so young criminals should be educated and trained and made to serve the remainder of their time using their trade towards community work. If they won’t engage then keep them locked up.

Is it the same as restorative justice where someone who brutalises and murders your child gets the opportunity to tell they take full accountability for their actions and they are very sorry?

Yeah, fuck that.

Prison should be a tougher place than it is to serve as a deterrent.
Prison by many is seen as easy time for the crime they do. Way too many home comforts like tv, kettles, phone use etc.
I truthfully believe it should be hard labour to payback to society.
That might make the criminals think twice before reoffending.

OP.. Don't talk wet! 🙄

Care in the community was so successful so why not. Can't see what could possibly go wrong 🙄

Great idea, OP! You'll be happy to live next door to a hostel for convicted murderers, rapists and paedophiles, won't you? What could possibly go wrong?

Yeh ok. Why don’t you take some of them in OP. Why don’t you start a community project? Let us know how it goes

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you would castrate someone immediately the first time they were caught flashing?