To say that prisons should be abolished altogether?

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Rehabilitation and community justice models work better than locking people away. AIBU to think prisons are outdated and ineffective?

Woman cannot be very violent as well and they certainly need locking up

No, absolutely not. They should be made stricter with less money spent on prisoners well-being etc. El Salvador model for the worst criminals.

Ideally neither although some drug dealers are also violent offenders or have indirectly caused harm and would need extensive rehabilitation.

A lot of dealers are just people families to feed and little other opportunities.

Have you been out in the world recently and actually met people. Some of them are awful and their rightful place is behind bars.

I would advocate building more prisons and incorporating more mandatory sentencing.

I think there is a case to be made for sending fewer non-violent criminals to prison, or perhaps giving much shorter prison sentences followed by community service.

What bugs me is how short some community sentences are, especially for white-collar crimes. 120 hours is 3 weeks of weeding graveyards — you can take annual leave for that, it's like a shit staycation. 2,000 hours, a year at the service of the community, now you're talking.

There is always an alternative option to drug dealing.

That's a typical knee jerk reaction on par with the rest of the comments.

70% of female offenders have experienced domestic abuse and nearly 50% have committed a crime in order to fund someone else's drug habit. Over half have experienced childhood abuse.

There are violent women but they are largely incarcerated for petty crime. Most are serving short sentences, often for shoplifting. Which makes sense when you examine how women are disproportionately affected by the cost of living crisis and a third of children are in poverty.

What happens to their children when they're in prison? What about paying the rent or getting a job with a conviction?

I think if there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever in guilt for those crimes, then yes, I think death penalty.
But not like in the US where they sit on death row for years, straight to death immediately week tops to get affairs in order.

Yes, I know not a popular opinion but 🤷‍♀️

How long do you have left on your sentence, OP?

The guy who tried to bomb the tube station where I was working in 2005 can stay in Belmarsh until he dies as far as I care. He tried to set it off next to a toddler in a pushchair. How can he be rehabilitated when he truly believes what he did was God's will?

Would that work for Ted Bundy?

Oh my heart bleeds for them 🙄

Ah quelle surprisé! Lobs in a grenade and scarpers. I know it’s a grey boring day, but go and do your homework or something.

Sure but I haven’t been in that position and therefore can’t judge.

If you have no money, qualifications or help and there is a way out- especially if you’ve been raised around that behaviour- it’s understandable to me.

Are you smoking crack??
Don't be ridiculous.

Mine does, it’s very sad that so many young people have to resort to crime and see no way out of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66513959

The French Police do have a high record for shooting perpetrators in the act, though. So that keeps the numbers down.

Victims of serious crimes and their families deserve justice and shouldn’t have to live in fear that the person who harmed them in roaming free.

Absolutely some petty crimes and some more serious crimes you can and should
rehabilitate.

Murderers, child abusers, rapists need locking away and some need the key thrown away too

I disagree. Some criminals are too dangerous to be released into the public.

I do think that more use should be made of community service if the convict in question does not pose a danger to the public.

The problem with prisons is that minor criminals are brought in contact with gang-members and once out of prisons are sometimes worse than when they went in.

Load of tosh. We’ve had a convicted killer who was so called rehabilitated, move near us (sheltered housing or something), within days he was attacking females. Prison isn’t tough enough

My main priority is keeping innocent people safe. That is far, far more important to me than rehabilitation. I also think there are lots of people who can’t be rehabilitated and I don’t want public resources wasted on trying to achieve that.

we should make sure there’s a decent welfare state so that nobody needs to turn to crime because of poverty. Other than that, lock up and throw away the key for anyone who’s committed a violent crime.

AI thread

This is the stupidest thread I've seen today and there has been a few!

They're out in force today - people who have the most illogical thought processes. I’ve just come out of the ‘cheating should be illegal’ thread to this?!! Time to put my phone down for a while and step away from MN for a few hours for the sake of my sanity.

Rehabiliting a petty thief is not like trying to rehabilitate a psycho killer or paedo 🤦‍♀️