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Angela from Housing

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billysboy · 09/02/2025 12:18

Ainu to think Angela Rayners has been set up to fail on her 1.5m homes target ?
you can barely get planning permission through for a small extension in under 10 weeks let alone 1.5 m new homes
Every month that goes by the shortage compounds
I wonder if Kier has set her up to fail

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EasternStandard · 17/02/2025 10:40

It's incredibly concerning how partisan loyalty leads to a post below on it being good

There are similar posts on other threads, incredible to see war mongering stuff

@HPFA have you thought through what happens if peacekeeping troops are attacked and end up fighting and the UK at war?

Then you most certainly won't want to send your dc I'm guessing

Don't walk into this stuff because you like Starmer

Felizsenora · 17/02/2025 10:49

Whatafustercluck · 17/02/2025 09:49

Oh sorry, i must be living in a parallel universe. In your universe, are the Tories still in power?

Labour "won" by default. Stärmer is not a leader. So yes Labour won, but almost anyone could have been leader.

HPFA · 17/02/2025 11:14

EasternStandard · 17/02/2025 10:40

It's incredibly concerning how partisan loyalty leads to a post below on it being good

There are similar posts on other threads, incredible to see war mongering stuff

@HPFA have you thought through what happens if peacekeeping troops are attacked and end up fighting and the UK at war?

Then you most certainly won't want to send your dc I'm guessing

Don't walk into this stuff because you like Starmer

Is it just deliberate obtuseness that leads you to keep ignoring the point?

No-one wants war. We'd all prefer it if Putin spent his time providing Russians with indoor sanitation and decent health care rather than trying to invade and kill his neighbours.

He's not going to do that.

We either try and deter him now while his army has taken a battering in Ukraine or we surrender, let him rebuild, and have a harder war later on.

If you don't want to hear it from me hear it from that well-known leftie Julia Hartley Brewer.

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HPFA · 17/02/2025 11:18

TheNuthatch · 17/02/2025 09:31

Europe have had ample opportunity to increase funding, they have been found wanting and now Ukraine will pay the price.
Ukraine have been drip fed supplies. Not enough to win, just enough to survive.
Our troops numbers are embarrassing, yet still Starmer won't commit a date for increased defense spending. I'd love to know where he's going to find these peace keeping troops, or how he's going to pay for it.

I agree.

If I were Starmer I'd announce an increase in income tax sufficient to increase defence spending AND remove the increase in employers NI.

EasternStandard · 17/02/2025 11:18

@HPFA same to you, is it your deliberate obtuseness that means you ignore the point.

What will stop fighting with our peacekeeping troops there? How high is the risk that we get involved in a new attack?

TheNuthatch · 17/02/2025 11:28

HPFA · 17/02/2025 11:18

I agree.

If I were Starmer I'd announce an increase in income tax sufficient to increase defence spending AND remove the increase in employers NI.

Are you supportive of a full Nato response, without the US?

Upstartled · 17/02/2025 11:51

Let's just throw some more working class lads in harm's way so you can feel like you can play billy big balls from behind the screen.

Oh yeah, let's not forget your throwaway comment about defending ourselves from US aggression... completely, idiotic. The US has put 6.3 billion dollars Ukraine's way.

JoyousGreyOrca · 17/02/2025 11:58

I think this will be our generations appeasement moment that we will live to regret.

EasternStandard · 17/02/2025 12:02

Upstartled · 17/02/2025 11:51

Let's just throw some more working class lads in harm's way so you can feel like you can play billy big balls from behind the screen.

Oh yeah, let's not forget your throwaway comment about defending ourselves from US aggression... completely, idiotic. The US has put 6.3 billion dollars Ukraine's way.

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There is a fair bit of that going on

Upstartled · 17/02/2025 12:08

Not, what, eight months ago (?) the country was up in arms because Sunak suggested that our youngster should do national service. And there was complete outcry about how awful the suggestion was, that it was outrageous to ask them all to consider that they had a national duty to be capable of mobilising for the greater good, but other people's kids ...no problem, Russia is that way, best of luck, do us proud...

marshmallowmix · 17/02/2025 12:32

TheNuthatch · 14/02/2025 22:29

Nato meeting. Photos of him having meetings with JD Vance. I feel embarrassed to be a Brit when I see Lammy on the world stage.

Yep I agree he is dreadful

Upstartled · 17/02/2025 12:38

marshmallowmix · 17/02/2025 12:32

Yep I agree he is dreadful

We should at least tether an atlas to the guy so he can't show us up.

TheNuthatch · 17/02/2025 12:54

Upstartled · 17/02/2025 12:38

We should at least tether an atlas to the guy so he can't show us up.

Brilliant 😂

TheNuthatch · 17/02/2025 12:55

Upstartled · 17/02/2025 12:08

Not, what, eight months ago (?) the country was up in arms because Sunak suggested that our youngster should do national service. And there was complete outcry about how awful the suggestion was, that it was outrageous to ask them all to consider that they had a national duty to be capable of mobilising for the greater good, but other people's kids ...no problem, Russia is that way, best of luck, do us proud...

Very true!

TheNuthatch · 17/02/2025 12:58

Our troops are disposable it seems for any leader who wants to improve their standing.

I wonder what cos play Macron will choose for today's meeting?
Will he go for French airforce jumpsuit? Or the unshaven, combats Zelensky look?

EasternStandard · 17/02/2025 12:59

TheNuthatch · 17/02/2025 12:58

Our troops are disposable it seems for any leader who wants to improve their standing.

I wonder what cos play Macron will choose for today's meeting?
Will he go for French airforce jumpsuit? Or the unshaven, combats Zelensky look?

We already have the Starmer version

I can't believe how keen people are.

TheNuthatch · 17/02/2025 13:11

EasternStandard · 17/02/2025 12:59

We already have the Starmer version

I can't believe how keen people are.

Imagine if this was Trump putting boots on the ground in Ukraine and demanding that the UK follow him!
The response from the left would be very different. I'm staying off that thread Eastern.

Upstartled · 17/02/2025 13:13

Meanwhile, the stocks and shares in British defence companies are going great guns today. Gosh, maybe Reeves will get some growth?

EasternStandard · 17/02/2025 13:14

@TheNuthatch it's madness. You're wise to stay off it.

It just shows how far some will go if the politician they like says it.

It's actually concerning as I see it as a soft sell on SM for any escalation. Terrifying really

TheNuthatch · 17/02/2025 13:16

Upstartled · 17/02/2025 13:13

Meanwhile, the stocks and shares in British defence companies are going great guns today. Gosh, maybe Reeves will get some growth?

Every cloud eh!

TheNuthatch · 17/02/2025 13:26

EasternStandard · 17/02/2025 13:14

@TheNuthatch it's madness. You're wise to stay off it.

It just shows how far some will go if the politician they like says it.

It's actually concerning as I see it as a soft sell on SM for any escalation. Terrifying really

Yes, they'd be happy to see coffins coming through Wootton Bassett to defend Starmer and defy Trump. It's vile.

Upstartled · 17/02/2025 13:27

EasternStandard · 17/02/2025 13:14

@TheNuthatch it's madness. You're wise to stay off it.

It just shows how far some will go if the politician they like says it.

It's actually concerning as I see it as a soft sell on SM for any escalation. Terrifying really

Well, if I remember rightly, they did have their fingers crossed for a Falklands moment to galvanise support for this shit show of a government. Not the same but, in a pinch, guess it will do.

HPFA · 17/02/2025 13:35

This thread is interesting for how right-wing politics today is just an attempt to drive people into exhaustion.

No discussion of the actual issue - no suggestion as to how we actually protect Ukraine (and European freedom). Just an endless repetition of pro Kremlin/Trump talking points. It's the same about any issue.

There would be no need for any British troops in Ukraine and they could sit there playing solitaire if Putin would stick to his own country. If anyone has a better idea as to how make Putin stay there then please tell us.

EasternStandard · 17/02/2025 13:40

HPFA · 17/02/2025 13:35

This thread is interesting for how right-wing politics today is just an attempt to drive people into exhaustion.

No discussion of the actual issue - no suggestion as to how we actually protect Ukraine (and European freedom). Just an endless repetition of pro Kremlin/Trump talking points. It's the same about any issue.

There would be no need for any British troops in Ukraine and they could sit there playing solitaire if Putin would stick to his own country. If anyone has a better idea as to how make Putin stay there then please tell us.

Not really but I feel the same with your talking points

Upstartled · 17/02/2025 13:41

Fuck. I must be old. I remember when being on the left afforded a class perspective in which sending off working class men to fight unwinnable battles was viewed with a modicum of cynicism.