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Moving to the US – Am I Bonkers?

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keithmoo · 08/02/2025 16:28

DH has just been offered a job in the US, and it’s a really good opportunity – more money, career progression, and all that jazz. It would mean uprooting the DC (6 and 3) and moving to a completely new country, which is giving me the absolute fear. We’d likely be going to a mid-sized city in the Midwest (think Ohio/Indiana sort of area), which I know very little about apart from what I’ve seen in films – which I assume isn’t entirely accurate!

Has anyone done this? What’s the reality of life in the US as a Brit? I’m worried about things like healthcare (I’ve heard horror stories), schooling (seems like it varies wildly), and just generally settling in. Also, I’m a bit concerned about making friends – I’ve heard Americans can be friendly but in a surface-level way, and I don’t want to be stuck in some weird expat bubble.

Would love any advice from those who’ve made the move. What were the biggest culture shocks? Any regrets? What do I need to know that no one tells you?

Also, please reassure me that I won’t have to live off terrible coffee and weird chocolate for the foreseeable…

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mathanxiety · 10/02/2025 01:43

cantbebothered101 · 09/02/2025 19:25

I wouldn’t move to any country where they do gun practice drills in school in case there is a shooter!

These drills are done in the UK too, fyi.

mathanxiety · 10/02/2025 01:47

RingoJuice · 09/02/2025 18:54

It really does not. It just has the reputation of being normal, if a bit boring. Decent spread of industries and surprisingly high population given its relative obscurity abroad.

And if you're ever driving through it, it goes on and on and on, but the rolling countryside is pretty along I-70.

Goldenbear · 10/02/2025 02:02

mathanxiety · 10/02/2025 01:33

I think all of your observations about interpersonal communication ring true. Americans don't have the stiff upper lip or the British reticence. Americans are hard to draw on the topics of religion and politics, preferring to avoid these because contentiousness is considered bad form, while the ability to create harmony and find interests or feelings in common is valued.

Many of the comments you hear or run across here wrt American education are based on British jingoism and not on direct experience.

Both systems have their strengths. However, I personally place far more value on those elements the US does better. These are (imo) - emphasizing and facilitating the individual child's ability and leanings, superb facilities in state (public) schools, the GPA system, which rewards consistency and develops good work habits, the explicit teaching of grammar, rhetoric, and writing, the depth of mathematics teaching, the systematic training children receive in speaking / presenting work in front of a group and doing group work, excellent career and university counseling in schools, evidence based discipline approaches, and encouragement to participate in the activities schools offer. There's also the flexibility to make up a failed class or advance to a higher level via summer school. Plus driver's ed in your sixteenth year (usually sophomore year). You can also earn university credits while still in high school via the local community college (saving $thousands). Overall, there is encouragement to take charge of your own education and to excel at your own level - students from 14 to 18 can find themselves sitting in the same classes as a result.(students do not advance through high school in one age based cohort).

You would have to pay a small fortune in the UK to receive the extracurricular opportunities open to students in public high schools in the US.

Here's an example of an academic catalogue from a midwest suburban school district:
www.newtrier.k12.il.us/domain/40

You will see course options and levels in different faculties. The rest of the website details extra curriculars. The menu button will help you navigate.

"jingoism", the only posters declaring superiority on the education front have been American, 'light years ahead' was the the declaration by a poster whose children go to school in D.C. personally, I have Danish heritage, so your sweeping generalisations about the British should not be based upon me!

Equally, your comments on your previous post, 'up to very recently, to give their children a chance to get into the better UK universities, which for some mysterious reason have tended to prefer the products of the alleged rote learning mills' suggests your line of thought is one of suspicion of the reasons for admitting a greater number of state school students, a belief that private school kids are being edged out unfairly by positive discrimination and the the wrongful assumption that state school children have not attained these places on their academic capability; you do realise how regressive and individualistic that comes across like don't you?

Goldenbear · 10/02/2025 02:06

mathanxiety · 10/02/2025 01:33

I think all of your observations about interpersonal communication ring true. Americans don't have the stiff upper lip or the British reticence. Americans are hard to draw on the topics of religion and politics, preferring to avoid these because contentiousness is considered bad form, while the ability to create harmony and find interests or feelings in common is valued.

Many of the comments you hear or run across here wrt American education are based on British jingoism and not on direct experience.

Both systems have their strengths. However, I personally place far more value on those elements the US does better. These are (imo) - emphasizing and facilitating the individual child's ability and leanings, superb facilities in state (public) schools, the GPA system, which rewards consistency and develops good work habits, the explicit teaching of grammar, rhetoric, and writing, the depth of mathematics teaching, the systematic training children receive in speaking / presenting work in front of a group and doing group work, excellent career and university counseling in schools, evidence based discipline approaches, and encouragement to participate in the activities schools offer. There's also the flexibility to make up a failed class or advance to a higher level via summer school. Plus driver's ed in your sixteenth year (usually sophomore year). You can also earn university credits while still in high school via the local community college (saving $thousands). Overall, there is encouragement to take charge of your own education and to excel at your own level - students from 14 to 18 can find themselves sitting in the same classes as a result.(students do not advance through high school in one age based cohort).

You would have to pay a small fortune in the UK to receive the extracurricular opportunities open to students in public high schools in the US.

Here's an example of an academic catalogue from a midwest suburban school district:
www.newtrier.k12.il.us/domain/40

You will see course options and levels in different faculties. The rest of the website details extra curriculars. The menu button will help you navigate.

'to create harmony' are they keen to do that on the world stage or is it just one long shouty declaration of how amazing they are and how the whole world should want to be American.

Devianinc · 10/02/2025 02:47

keithmoo · 08/02/2025 16:28

DH has just been offered a job in the US, and it’s a really good opportunity – more money, career progression, and all that jazz. It would mean uprooting the DC (6 and 3) and moving to a completely new country, which is giving me the absolute fear. We’d likely be going to a mid-sized city in the Midwest (think Ohio/Indiana sort of area), which I know very little about apart from what I’ve seen in films – which I assume isn’t entirely accurate!

Has anyone done this? What’s the reality of life in the US as a Brit? I’m worried about things like healthcare (I’ve heard horror stories), schooling (seems like it varies wildly), and just generally settling in. Also, I’m a bit concerned about making friends – I’ve heard Americans can be friendly but in a surface-level way, and I don’t want to be stuck in some weird expat bubble.

Would love any advice from those who’ve made the move. What were the biggest culture shocks? Any regrets? What do I need to know that no one tells you?

Also, please reassure me that I won’t have to live off terrible coffee and weird chocolate for the foreseeable…

Something’s in life don’t have a real answer. You won’t know until you do it and everyone has different life experiences. Your children are still young enough to acclimate to the climate that you’ll put them in. There’s a lot of opportunities in the states. Take advantage of it while you can. I’m sure they’re giving you a living stipend so you’ll do great.

Notinhampshirenow · 10/02/2025 02:48

Amazed at how naive some posters are and how - despite cries of jingoism and racism directed at Americans - are at the same time lumping all Americans together as if they are one homogenous group of gun toting, religious, confederate flag waving racists. It’s even worse when their idea of the USA is based off statistical data or a weekend in New York, a week in disney or at best several vacations here.

I have lived and taught (and had kids in) the USA and the uk and I prefer the USA. My kids have a better education (I often say it went from black and white to Color when they moved here) healthcare is excellent (same day gp appointments and self referral
to specialists…) My teenagers are safe to be out at night and have an amazing array of sports and extra curricular opportunities. Oh, and my uk teaching qualification - despite apparently ‘world reveered’ had to be converted to align with the qualifications in my current state. I did it but it took time. my base starting salary as a teacher was $55000. Average salary of a teacher here is 80k.

The people we have met have been welcoming, friendly and community minded. Dads seem far more involved with kids than I ever saw in the UK.

Devianinc · 10/02/2025 02:49

Coffee and chocolate are just a matter of taste and you can still post your favorites from overseas.

lifesrichpageant · 10/02/2025 03:09

I'd definitely do a cost analysis before you make any big decisions. You may be making what looks like a lot more $$ than the UK but don't forget health care premiums (pricey beyond belief) and the possibility of needing private schools - the US is very uneven in terms of quality and safety of schools. You will definitely need a car, and possibly two cars, to get around. Personally those states don't appeal to me, weather not great and culture will be pretty lacking. Having said that, if it's a short term thing, it might be an adventure. Just hope that you don't need reproductive health care or that one of your children doesn't end up being queer or trans!

Moanranger · 10/02/2025 03:35

American here who has lived in UK 35 years: I was in US for two weeks recently. People seemed generally troubled & miserable. The food was beyond dire. I would never go back.
Both my kids really well-educated in UK, far more cultured & cosmopolitan than they would be in US. But we did live in London.
Ohio?

knitnerd90 · 10/02/2025 03:39

This isn’t a UK vs US issue personally but I do think many private schools look so good in part because they can manage their intake. It is ever so much easier when you’ve excluded all the children who are hard to teach.

I do believe American road safety statistics are affected by just how much more Americans have to drive. I don’t feel Americans are all terrible drivers, and it’s worth remembering that the same car models are sold in Canada, but people here are on the road so much. The lack of good transit outside a few select cities is a problem.

side note — the city of Carmel, next to Indianapolis, is famous for its roundabouts. North Americans were slow to adopt roundabouts (in the northeast there are traffic circles and rotaries, which look like roundabouts but are an older design and much less safe) but the mayor of Carmel is a roundabout enthusiast.

Itsbetterbythebeach · 10/02/2025 03:54

Goldenbear · 10/02/2025 02:02

"jingoism", the only posters declaring superiority on the education front have been American, 'light years ahead' was the the declaration by a poster whose children go to school in D.C. personally, I have Danish heritage, so your sweeping generalisations about the British should not be based upon me!

Equally, your comments on your previous post, 'up to very recently, to give their children a chance to get into the better UK universities, which for some mysterious reason have tended to prefer the products of the alleged rote learning mills' suggests your line of thought is one of suspicion of the reasons for admitting a greater number of state school students, a belief that private school kids are being edged out unfairly by positive discrimination and the the wrongful assumption that state school children have not attained these places on their academic capability; you do realise how regressive and individualistic that comes across like don't you?

Beg to differ. I think there have also been comments from the UK side about how US students are so far behind their UK counterparts. Personally I am the product of an excellent UK education , my DD was fortunate enough to graduate from a great high school over here. Both systems were good, just different. We have great schools over here, we have terrible schools over here. A lot of it comes down to where you live. Is it so different in the UK?

AzurePanda · 10/02/2025 07:53

@Notinhampshirenow couldn’t agree more. The stereotyping and generalisations on this thread are just unbelievable and also display an incredible ignorance about the reality of life in the USA. Also shows that in some cases Trump Derangement Syndrome is alive and well.

Cornishclio · 10/02/2025 08:03

@Megsy81

"That’s different to women not being able to drive though isn’t it!"

I actually said in my first post "as a spouse" which does not necessarily mean women so not sure why you assume I was saying women couldn't drive or work which is clearly ridiculous.

Goldenbear · 10/02/2025 08:31

Itsbetterbythebeach · 10/02/2025 03:54

Beg to differ. I think there have also been comments from the UK side about how US students are so far behind their UK counterparts. Personally I am the product of an excellent UK education , my DD was fortunate enough to graduate from a great high school over here. Both systems were good, just different. We have great schools over here, we have terrible schools over here. A lot of it comes down to where you live. Is it so different in the UK?

Not by me there hasn't as I was wrongly quoted by a poster as stating something that I didn't. The same poster that was belittling the UK education system having experienced it in a parent capacity, using the private school system which is hardly used by anyone so not really a good comparison as not like for like.

I agree that there will be good and bad in both countries but it is not easy to compare the two different countries as the vastness and size of the populations are so different. That said, in proportion to it's size the UK has many unis in the top 50 of the world university rankings, which doesn't really tally with the notion being peddled on here the the U.S. is, 'light years ahead'. Why can't the U.S. just be on a par with others around the world, why does it have to always be the biggest and best? I just can't get my head around that but perhaps that is the cultural differences shining through as I am wearing my Brit/Danish hat when suggesting that.

RingoJuice · 10/02/2025 08:37

DdraigGoch · 09/02/2025 22:16

Sounds like more of a series of ghettos than a "cultural melting pot"

Melting pot ideal has been actively discouraged for a long time. I am neutral on this idea tbh. It does make for stronger, more authentic communities. But does undermine national cohesion and identity. Trade offs either way

knitnerd90 · 10/02/2025 08:40

I don't like doing US jingoism myself! I think the cuts to higher education in the UK have put them behind in recent years but if Trump gets his way the US will be behind next. But in both cases "higher education" is a massive and diverse sector. Even if I said the top colleges in the US were the best (an assertion I would not make) the bottom is very... bottom, especially when we allow for the for profit sector. You simply can't make any meaningful comparisons when the US higher education system goes from the Hollywood Upstairs College of Dental Assisting to Caltech.

There's also differences in degree structure such that I genuinely think one country may really suit a student more than another. A very focused student will flourish in the English system, especially since they can go directly into many professional degrees. A student who isn't locked into a subject, has mixed interests, or otherwise needs flexibility will love the US, especially if their subjects are complementary and they can tailor their programme to their exact needs. It's good that both systems exist.

Inmydreams88 · 10/02/2025 08:42

Before I had kids I would say go for it!!! Now I couldn’t imagine sending my child to a school there with shooter drills and people carrying guns in the supermarket.

Snakebite61 · 10/02/2025 10:49

keithmoo · 08/02/2025 16:28

DH has just been offered a job in the US, and it’s a really good opportunity – more money, career progression, and all that jazz. It would mean uprooting the DC (6 and 3) and moving to a completely new country, which is giving me the absolute fear. We’d likely be going to a mid-sized city in the Midwest (think Ohio/Indiana sort of area), which I know very little about apart from what I’ve seen in films – which I assume isn’t entirely accurate!

Has anyone done this? What’s the reality of life in the US as a Brit? I’m worried about things like healthcare (I’ve heard horror stories), schooling (seems like it varies wildly), and just generally settling in. Also, I’m a bit concerned about making friends – I’ve heard Americans can be friendly but in a surface-level way, and I don’t want to be stuck in some weird expat bubble.

Would love any advice from those who’ve made the move. What were the biggest culture shocks? Any regrets? What do I need to know that no one tells you?

Also, please reassure me that I won’t have to live off terrible coffee and weird chocolate for the foreseeable…

You must be crazy to move there with that lunatic in charge. All the money in the world wouldn't make me move there.

Snakebite61 · 10/02/2025 10:51

AzurePanda · 10/02/2025 07:53

@Notinhampshirenow couldn’t agree more. The stereotyping and generalisations on this thread are just unbelievable and also display an incredible ignorance about the reality of life in the USA. Also shows that in some cases Trump Derangement Syndrome is alive and well.

I think you're the one who is deranged.

Delatron · 10/02/2025 10:53

Megsy81 · 09/02/2025 22:05

The firearms element for me was a massive concern before I moved to Ohio …. It terrified me so I am absolutely not pro gun in any way!! What you don’t hear about with that stat though is that it’s the leading cause of death for children NOT as a result of mass shootings as lots assume but by mishandling and storage of firearms in the home. Now if there were no firearms allowed , as should be the case, that would obviously remove it as the number one reason but I think it’s important to provide context

Yes I was going to point that out as that is in a way more terrifying - you’d worry about every play date. My point does still stand - guns are the leading cause of death for children. Whether that’s mishandling in the home, falling in to the wrong hands, the lax laws etc. Mass shootings are awful but it’s the general attitude to guns over there that means I couldn’t live there.

Snakebite61 · 10/02/2025 10:56

Sherararara · 08/02/2025 16:52

There are numerous threads on here about the same. Take a look. All the nay-sayers will go on about Trump/guns/school shootings/healthcare. The people who have actually done it will largely tell you it was a positive experience, myself included. Assuming financially you are well covered and that especially includes healthcare provision my your DH company then you should be good to go. When we were there (Texas) we had the kids in the local British international school which was great. I would go back in a heart beat if the opportunity came up again, even with Trump round 2. If you don’t do it you will regret it. Worse case you can always come back if it doesn’t work out.

This is clearly a trump lover's advice. No sane person would move there.

knitnerd90 · 10/02/2025 10:57

And yet millions of people do. Calling people "deranged" for having a different perspective is proving the point.

KarmenPQZ · 10/02/2025 11:03

keithmoo · 08/02/2025 18:01

Good point! I got so caught up in the logistics that I forgot to mention myself.

I do work, but my job isn’t something I could take with me, so I’d either need to find something new or take a break for a bit (which is both exciting and terrifying!). I don’t have family super close by, but we see them fairly often, and the DC have a good relationship with their grandparents, which I’d hate to disrupt. Friends-wise, I have a solid group here, and the thought of starting over socially is probably the bit that worries me most. I’m not massively extroverted, and the idea of having to build a whole new support system from scratch is a bit daunting.

It’s meant to be a long-term move, not just a couple of years, so it’s not something we can go into lightly. DH is really up for it, but I keep swinging between “this could be an amazing adventure” and “what the hell are we thinking?!”

What happens if he loses his job…. Do you lose all your healthcare and your visa / right to work as well? Or do the company relocate you back. Having your income AND visa AND healthcare all linked to the same one thing would be very worrying.

it happened to a friend of mine who had just had a baby and just bought a house and he got made redundant and was given 30 days to leave the country or find a new sponsor and this was 6 months before he was eligible to apply for a green card.

Megsy81 · 10/02/2025 11:18

Cornishclio · 10/02/2025 08:03

@Megsy81

"That’s different to women not being able to drive though isn’t it!"

I actually said in my first post "as a spouse" which does not necessarily mean women so not sure why you assume I was saying women couldn't drive or work which is clearly ridiculous.

My apologies, I projected myself as a female when I read the post perhaps because of the thread of quotes that had specifically mentioned Saudia Arabia (appreciate not your post but in response to).

OK so let’s skip over your misinformation you are doubling down on ….. I as a female spouse who moved to Ohio in May blah, blah, blah. It’s the same of any other type of spouse

That’s what you got out of that post 🙄

Cerial · 10/02/2025 11:31

snugsnug1 · 09/02/2025 17:02

In addition, US students attending UK universities are required to undergo a foundation year before starting their course to bring them up to the standard of European / UK students before they can begin the first year of their degree course.

This is factually untrue. You can be bigoted, but at least try to be accurate.

Our local UK primary … over 100 different languages spoken at home. The school isn’t a big school which makes me wonder if any of the children’s families are native English speakers.

I wonder if ANY school in the USA can boast 100 different languages spoken at home.