What if Sandie Peggie......... identifies as a Muslim Woman?

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I openly want to push why a male Doctor believes it to be acceptable to use an exclusively female changing room, intimidating and provoking an experienced nurse who was heavily menstruating, not that her cycle defines whether a male should be in a female changing room or not in my view. Surely the legal track of the employment tribunal would be entirely different, and his conduct would be impacting on her religious beliefs and privacy? Sandie Peggie is a white woman, is presumably not protected by any religious beliefs, but why? The Muslim community would not stand for his conduct and rightly so. Will any decision not in Ms Peggies favour be subsequently upended by Beth/Brian/Frank imposing himself on the women's changing room when a woman of colour or Muslim woman is enjoying the privacy of that space?

Did he treat her professionally by inserting himself into a woman only space?

Nope- that’s impossible. I’m sure “many women” see the ideology of the SNP government as harmful. That doesn’t mean that hospitals shouldn’t employ staff who support the SNP.

It’s not for the nurse to decide who gets to be in a specific space. The hospital had a process and rightly or wrongly, it was determined that the doctor was to change in the female changing room (which has cubicles available).

It cannot be for any individual staff member to unilaterally decide that they won’t communicate with a colleague for ideological reasons.

A white person can be Muslim you know, being a personof colour isnt 'a prerequisite to being a Mislim. So YABU to think that brown/black skin = Muslim, that's a very narrow minded view.

There were no cubicles available.

I thought the lack of reference to Sandie being a Muslim, absence of Hijab/Niqab/Burkah was a dead giveaway - I grew up in Iran and Malaysia which formed my narrow minded view ;)

It is for the nurse to decide who is in what should be an intimate and private space for females only when she observes a man in there surely?

My understanding is that a fundamental premise to the ET pleadings is alleged breaches of the Equality Act by the NHS, selling women down the river and breaching their rights by fawning to the trans activists and allowing males into females changing rooms on the basis they say they are women.

No one said the hospital shouldn’t employ a trans person. The nurse doesn’t have to believe a man is a man woman though.

Under the Equality Act the hospital has a duty
to provide single sex changing room facilities. Shout ‘well if it’s policy it’s policy’. No, that hospital has a duty of care towards a female and that includes having the space to change that’s not in front of a biological man, whether there’s one cubicle (or cupboard in this case) or 100 cubicles. Any arguments against rhos
is just dick pandering to abusive males, as that’s what he is. Policy or not.

Has it been proved she didn’t speak to him? And that is was for ideological reasons? Or was it because she felt unsafe in his presence being a male who was clearly making her uncomfortable? Like I said, nothing screams male entitlement more than this man.

I agree. For me if a man wants to dress up as a woman then that is his prerogative, save for very few exceptions it is fairly obvious a bloke is dressing up as a woman - what is absurd and offensive to me is when the same bloke starts thinking he is a woman and can become a woman by taking drugs and having surgery, when it is patently obvious that it is impossible and beyond the bounds of medical intervention.

Do you listen to TRA's? Or feel that the imperatives of their ideology have worth? Whenever you write "trans" do you really mean male?

This has been going on for a very long time and I've heard a lot about it. No, when I say trans, I'm talking about transgender. That could be transmen or transwomen. When I say male/female that's what I mean.

So when you wrote "The person who raped her was trans" were you referring to a male or female?

I'm sure you can work it out. Enjoy your evening.

For those who doubted the relevance of this post, para 25 or Maya Forstaters statement in support of Sandie Peggie refers:

Some people mentioned particular cultural and religious taboos have their obvious roots in the very
real threat that men hold for women, as well as cultural expectations of propriety and honour.
“As a religious person, my beliefs are protected. My faith requires that I would NOT undress in front of males. Including
men who say they are women.” Muslim, Female, England, 35–44
“My Christian faith teaches me that my modesty is important and that nakedness is something revealed to only very few
people. I feel uncomfortable being forced into situations of intimacy with strangers of the opposite sex.” Christian, Female,
England, 45–54
“I am Jewish and I do not expose myself to any other male except my husband.” Jewish, Female, England, 35–4

https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/signed-Maya-Forstater.WS_.pdf

Does anyone know if this doctor also imposes themselves on female patients?

Mm. The hospital made a call which causes women discomfort and possibly danger at work. I hope they will be found to have breached the EQ - because there are competing rights here, but the women’s side has the proportionate means to a legitimate aim proviso.

The strong implication from the tribunal today was that these 'incidents' appeared weeks later when Dr Upton realised he might not get his way

No you can't surgically fashion a vagina in a man. Surgery can create a hole lined by an inverted penis which never ceases to be an open wound- one that forever tries to heal, hence the need for frequent dilation. In men. By every definition imaginable this is not a vagina.

How does one "present" as female?

So you're saying anyone can be a woman then? Men with penises, baby boys, my dog? All they need to do is say "I'm a woman" and magically they are?

Let me know what you don't understand:

So according to the NHS for a start.

I can't work out your position, and it appears I am not alone. I probably misunderstand and you are as protective of womens rights, spaces and sports as the majority are, it is just unclear.

2025 and we are actually discussing whether a male who thinks he is a female, when he is not a female, should be permitted to use a changing room exclusively for the use of females.... and that man is a Doctor who is fully aware that sex is immutable but wants to play the gender card, thinking his needs trump societal norms established over hundreds of thousands of years and protection for women.

I have to pinch myself sometimes. What next - Dr Upton is off today with heavy period pains?

I often think of the George Michael song "John and Elvis are Dead" about a close friend who falls into a coma and wakes up decades later. What is the world coming to? Is this in reality some sort of weird experiment?

Dr Upton said previous incidents with Ms Peggie had escalated to a stage where it "had the potential to impact care" of patients.
Dr Upton cited an incident on 18 December, where a young child was brought in.
The tribunal was told Ms Peggie refused to acknowledge or look at Dr Upton when discussing the patient."

That's worrying tbf. If the nurse can't accept a trans person to that extent, she shouldn't be in nursing.

These are allegations that Sandie claims are unfounded.

They were also not mentioned in Dr Upton 's original claim giving doubt about their truthfulness.

To use the cubicles he would have had to walk past the women changing. Not acceptable. He's biologically and legally male. By law he has no fight to be there as employers must provide single sex facilities.

But you can have your knob and balls removed and a vagina fashioned surgically. And those transitioning (properly) have testosterone reducing drugs.

Removing or inverting your penis does not change your biological sex. Neither does taking any drugs. Born male always male.

And it's not oppressive to make WOMEN feel vulnerable?