Page 20 | Every day waking up to yet another insane declaration from Trump. America is losing the respect of the world

100A · 2025-02-05T16:51:00+00:00

It's like a parallel universe - how did America come to this? So now he plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza we are told - to create the 'Riviera of the Middle East.' A golf course and hotels probably. The £2 million people can just go wherever. Wtf! AIBU to think America is imploding in on itself?

ARealitycheck · 06/02/2025 22:55

TheSunnyMintSloth · 06/02/2025 22:45

Entered Palestine?

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Given the massive population explosion of Jewish people in Palestine from roughly the 80's onward, it is a fair conclusion that a large number entered rather than were born. To most Palestinians the land is not Israel in the same way the Israelis don't accept Palestine

Fifiworks · 06/02/2025 23:41

Most Israelis were born in Israel. History is helpful to a certain point but ultimately we (as in the world) needs to look at the situation as it now stands.

This is a real lesson from Northern Ireland from my experience. A child’s view will tell you that Northern Ireland should belong to Ireland but ultimately it’s much more complicated than that.

TheSunnyMintSloth · 07/02/2025 09:09

ARealitycheck · 06/02/2025 22:55

Given the massive population explosion of Jewish people in Palestine from roughly the 80's onward, it is a fair conclusion that a large number entered rather than were born. To most Palestinians the land is not Israel in the same way the Israelis don't accept Palestine

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Most Israelis live in the state of Israel, not Palestine.

Cerial · 07/02/2025 10:05

ARealitycheck · 06/02/2025 22:55

Given the massive population explosion of Jewish people in Palestine from roughly the 80's onward, it is a fair conclusion that a large number entered rather than were born. To most Palestinians the land is not Israel in the same way the Israelis don't accept Palestine

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Huh what?
massive explosion
roughly the 80s onward
fair conclusion
rather than born
To most Palestinians the land is not Israel in the same way the Israelis don't accept Palestine

Not a @ARealitycheck as much as Kamala-esque word salad

what’s your point?

SuzieQ300 · 07/02/2025 10:20

I notice the 'Trump will be good for America' comments have dried up.

Humdingerydoo · 07/02/2025 11:10

ARealitycheck · 06/02/2025 22:55

Given the massive population explosion of Jewish people in Palestine from roughly the 80's onward, it is a fair conclusion that a large number entered rather than were born. To most Palestinians the land is not Israel in the same way the Israelis don't accept Palestine

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You've made so many anti-Semitic comments on this thread insinuating that Jews don't belong in Israel and how they should be ethnically cleansed from the area, and now you're saying Israel doesn't exist. Please just stop.

Humdingerydoo · 07/02/2025 11:13

(Not to mention that the population of Gaza has done something like quadruple in that same time frame, despite the ethnic cleansing of all Jews from the land, while the population of Israel has doubled. So it's not even a remotely intelligent comment to be making in the first place 😂)

user44456b · 07/02/2025 12:37

Turkeyneck101 · 06/02/2025 22:19

Thank god this isn't real ... having read many maga talking points this really isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

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😅

Yes, it's gut-churningly awful pretty much all the time. Honestly, I go to sleep feeling sick to my stomach and wake up feeling sick to my stomach right now. Got to find a laugh or two where you can!

Notaflippinclue · 07/02/2025 12:44

Trump will be good for the UK - anti trans pro free speech anti two tier policing for a start some of it will hopefully rub off

pananamana · 07/02/2025 12:59

@Notaflippinclue he will be dire for the UK, despite you parroting your far right fascist rubbish all day.

Ilovemytulips · 07/02/2025 13:01

I sincerely hope he stays far away from the UK. For all our faults (which country doesn't have any?) We don't need him or Musk meddling in our politics.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 07/02/2025 13:03

Notaflippinclue · 07/02/2025 12:44

Trump will be good for the UK - anti trans pro free speech anti two tier policing for a start some of it will hopefully rub off

Your user name is definitely apt.

BurntBroccoli · 07/02/2025 13:06

Notaflippinclue · 07/02/2025 12:44

Trump will be good for the UK - anti trans pro free speech anti two tier policing for a start some of it will hopefully rub off

Seriously?!

Can I ask what job you do? Have you ever used the NHS?

Parker231 · 07/02/2025 13:09

Ilovemytulips · 07/02/2025 13:01

I sincerely hope he stays far away from the UK. For all our faults (which country doesn't have any?) We don't need him or Musk meddling in our politics.

Does the UK let in convicted felons?

Notaflippinclue · 07/02/2025 13:17

Worked for the NHS for 40 years thanks just had to pay £15,000 for a new hip! Yes the NHS is bloody rubbish

Turkeyneck101 · 07/02/2025 13:22

Notaflippinclue · 07/02/2025 13:17

Worked for the NHS for 40 years thanks just had to pay £15,000 for a new hip! Yes the NHS is bloody rubbish

You'd pay alot more under trump.

StandFirm · 07/02/2025 13:31

tarheelbaby · 06/02/2025 20:06

For those of you who have responded to my post:
@TankFlyBossW4lk @Locutus2000 and others, apologies if I've not namechecked you:

I'm not 'trying to be clever', I'm just passing on a genuine US point of view which is not as often seen on MN.

I comprehend that that is utterly GUTTING for the educated masses on MN but ...
most Americans REALLY do not think about the rest of the planet. They REALLY don't think beyond the end of their driveway. They REALLY vote with their next week's pay check and utility bill in mind.

As such, US citizens are not at all considering how US policy will affect the rest of the planet. They do not see themselves as 'unleashing hell' on the rest of the planet. Surprising to MN, most US citizens are much too modest for that. They do not see themeslves as voting for what is, effectively, a planet-wide policy. They have no idea what their votes will wreak on the rest of the planet. They area really just thinking about their retirement plans and their grandchildren and their heating bill. If you said to them that their votes affect people across the planet in countries they've never heard of they'd be genuinely gobsmacked.

US citizens who care about the planet and its countries know that US policies have a huge impact but they are in the minority and although they vote as UK MNs might want, they cannot make much progress with their votes.I, personally, do comprehend that US policy affects the rest of the planet. Although just one vote, I made the effort to secure an overseas ballot and voted as loudly as one vote could for Kamala.

Consider though that at the lunch table, no one rounds on the UK citizen and demands to know how they voted or why. No one asks, Sophie in packing why she voted for Brexit because the WHOLE WORLD IS SUFFERING.
Likewise, who is demanding to know which Israeli or Palestinian ex-pats voted for Netanyahu or the Hamas candidate? That would be a bit rude, woudn't it ...

As a US citizen abroad, I often find it impossible to balance the expectations: either the US is a 'bully' imposing their policy or they are too slow to wade in and resolve a (minor) conflict with a unilateral (pro-American stance, go figure) solution. No matter the president, who is usually a pawn of his/her party, US policy is considered to be wrong and I have been given long-winded chaper and verse about policies I didn't vote for and don't support and can't change but it was still my fault...)

I agree with everything you say. It's great to have that perspective; my own observation as a frequent visitor has been that many Americans don't like, don't want, or don't understand the nature of the country's leadership in the world. In many ways it's such an insular country; a huge chunk of land framed by two oceans, and only two neighbours... So, it's easy to feel disconnected from the rest of the world ultimately. However, the impact of those policies is real and the imminent end of the American soft power will have consequences for the average citizen. It'll be too late when reality hits; not sure what the reaction will be.

user44456b · 07/02/2025 13:34

Turkeyneck101 · 07/02/2025 13:22

You'd pay alot more under trump.

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Yeah, that's like the Poundland version of a hip replacement in the US. You'd be way over that amount before you stepped through the door of an orthopaedic ward there.

Cerial · 07/02/2025 13:47

Parker231 · 07/02/2025 13:09

Does the UK let in convicted felons?

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No one knows who is here…

BurntBroccoli · 07/02/2025 14:01

Notaflippinclue · 07/02/2025 13:17

Worked for the NHS for 40 years thanks just had to pay £15,000 for a new hip! Yes the NHS is bloody rubbish

You'd pay twice that in the US!

pananamana · 07/02/2025 14:05

Notaflippinclue · 07/02/2025 13:17

Worked for the NHS for 40 years thanks just had to pay £15,000 for a new hip! Yes the NHS is bloody rubbish

The NHS is amazing. the US healthcare system is the most corrupt and expensive in the world. SAVE OUR NHS. Keep those nasty right wing politicians (Farage et al) and dodgy billionaires away from it.

BurntBroccoli · 07/02/2025 14:10

I agree @pananamana the NHS is amazing. It's so sad it has been run down over the last 20 years in order for it to be sold off to private companies.

What was the NHS like during the 90s @Notaflippinclue ? I remember that waiting lists were much smaller, you could get same day or next day appointments. A four hour wait at A & E was deemed unthinkable. Now it's 12 in some areas.

pananamana · 07/02/2025 14:18

I expect all these suggesting we get rid of the NHS have either got tons of cash, or a vested interest in privatising the NHS so they can get their grubby hands on it, or are paid to promote this rubbish on social media by those who do have a vested interest.

No sane person would want a privatised NHS. Only billionaires and private healthcare investors - people without the interest of ordinary people at heart. It is shameful.

Loveumagenta · 07/02/2025 14:32

pananamana · 07/02/2025 12:59

@Notaflippinclue he will be dire for the UK, despite you parroting your far right fascist rubbish all day.

He’s dire for the world. But here’s hoping he settles down a bit and just ruins his own country rather than everyone else’s .

Ilovemytulips · 07/02/2025 14:42

Loveumagenta · 07/02/2025 14:32

He’s dire for the world. But here’s hoping he settles down a bit and just ruins his own country rather than everyone else’s .

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Putin must be really enjoying watching all this chaos.