Lucy Letby.....she might actually be innocent?!

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I have just watched the full press conference and I'm blown away. There seems to be no actual evidence AT ALL that she killed or injured those babies. This could be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice there has ever been in this country.

On one hand you have Dr Evan’s unlicensed retired for 9 years paediatrician offering his services.
on the other 14 worldwide practising neonatologist's & experts working pro bono even funding themselves.
Dr Evan’s made 700k over 7 years
panel income =£0

The ward was downgraded so it didn’t look after babies as poorly as the ones they had while LL was there.

Im on the fence. I was positive she was guilty, but there are things that are making me feel very uncomfortable about her trial.

I actually attended both her trials and saw her on the stand (she’s an absolute harridan, by the way).

The evidence against her was overwhelming, detailed and complex. So much more was said in real life than ever made it into the reporting.

For example, the population charts, nursing notes, timed computer records, and eyewitness statements proving where everybody was in that ward at a given time were so complex. It proved that Letby was not merely on shift, but present with a baby for every single charge.

The medical evidence was also very detailed which was missed in live reporting. Every natural alternative cause was considered and thoroughly dismissed.

Her new defence have not brought out anything new. She will not get an appeal. She needs actual new evidence for that. Everything they claim in their report has already been considered and dismissed by the actual medical experts.

Firstly, these self-appointed experts have reviewed nothing, except the opinions of other self-appointed experts who themselves have no access to the evidence, did not attend or follow the trial, and whose own opinions were based on sensationalist media headlines. Her defence have collected some of these opinions of opinions and given them to a bunch of egotistical, unethical doctors to “review”, ie give their fourth hand opinion on.

They don’t even seem to know basic facts. For example the “new evidence” that Letby didn’t switch off the monitor for Baby K/ Baby 11, is based on them learning that another nurse entered the room after the collapse and heard the alarm. If they’d actually followed the trial they would know that Letby was not accused of turning the monitor off, but pausing the alarm for 30-60 seconds. The nurse heard the alarm because it was no longer paused by then. This was not controversial with either the prosecution nor the original defense.

I note that for babies A, D and O, who they deny suffered from air embolus, they have completely ignored the presence of massive amounts of air found in their blood vessels for A and D (including at the IV entry site) and the air bubble in O’s heart.

They claim O died of liver rupture not by blunt force abdominal trauma, but due to birth injury. This is despite him being alive and very well for several days before Letby got back from her Ibiza holiday. “I’ll be back with a bang” she said.

A reminder that Letby did have her own medical experts, but every single one of them agreed with the prosecution experts, with one expert (Michael Hall) agreeing partially. In this country, medical experts’ duties are to the court; they must tell the truth and not take sides, no matter who appoints them. It’s not America.

Letby herself opted to not bring to the stand her only expert who partially disagreed with the prosecution. This is because he had no alternative explanations and would have been ripped to shreds under cross examination, and been forced to admit where he did agree with the prosecution.

Also, Letby had a retrial in June last year, and had the opportunity to dispute her previous convictions with medical evidence, but she declined to do so, evidently because she didn’t want another jury hearing the actual evidence.

Letby’s new barrister Mark McDonald is attempting an American style PR campaign, but our courts don’t work like that. This publicity stunt will actually harm her chances for all the future charges being worked on by Operation Hummingbird, because Letby’s only hope would have been to claim she couldn’t have a fair trial. There’s no hope of that now.

Mark McDonald is a notorious grifter who attaches himself to hopeless serial killers for attention, for example with Ben Geen. He states they are innocent, the media publish his lies, then he finally puts in a shit tier CCRC application which is laughed out of court, then he drops them and moves onto a new serial killer. It’s what he does. This is likely why Letby has not waived client privilege for him (meaning he doesn’t have access to the evidence, either), because she wants a proper KC for actual court cases.

She’s just engaging with him because she knows her case is hopeless and she wants the positive PR to make her life easier in jail. She has nothing else to hope for except improving her reputation.

As for Shoo Lee, his evidence was rejected by the court of appeal. This is because 1) the prosecution experts didn’t actually base their diagnoses on skin discolourations, it was a small part of a wider picture, and 2) his claim that only one type of skin discolouration is diagnostic of air embolism was based on just two babies in his study, and 3) two of Letby’s victims did actually fit his particular diagnostic description but Lee was pettily arguing the toss about this based on semantics.

He has now rewritten his entire paper to be favourable to Letby , paid to have it published, and it has not been peer reviewed. He is a disgrace.

If she wasn't on shift when babies died I'm not sure that means she's innocent. If she was meddling with their meds and harming them whilst on shift, that could have led to / contributed to their deaths hours or days later.

That’s not true. Many of the babies she was convicted of attacking were developed and well enough to have been in level 1 units, including babies A, B, D, G, I, L, M, O and P.

Yes.

I have spent months and months in NICU and PICU with my child.

You learn a lot.

The alarms are exceedingly sensitive, you get used to when its a 'blip' vs when its a problem. If my baby felt a cold draft, or heard a loud noise, or passed a large amount of urine, or had a feed, it might cause their blood oxygen levels to drop. This would cause the alarm to go off. They continue to sound until someone pauses, or re-sets them, even if normal levels resume immediately. So if the nurse was busy we might see the level drop, watch it return to normal, and silence the alarm until it was re-set by the nurse. Because if all the alarms are going off you might miss the important one.

They go off so, so regularly because any baby in NICU or PICU is so unstable and these sensors are understandably very, very sensitive. One alarm that everyone pays attention to is the Crash alarm. But that is set off manually once of the other alarms has alerted the nurses to a problem.

Doctors are hopefully only seen a couple of times a day on their ward round, and rarely have anything to do with the alarms, other than maybe approving changes to the settings when it becomes clear that a baby can tolerate less than ideal conditions.

These alarms are not panic situations, they are investigate situations most of the time. They can go off every few minutes even in the more stable babies in the unit. That is why these babies have 1 to 1 care at worst.

Exactly.

Furthermore, these experts came from all over the world and work at the most prestigious medical institutions and they did this pro-bono.

People are also ignoring the fact that they have now started to look into suspicious deaths at a hospital that Lucy worked at before the Countess of Chester where a similar pattern occurred at the time she worked but she was never suspected. Then she left. Then the deaths stopped. So they are now investigating this hospital too as a whole separate enquiry. Liverpool Women's Hospital. They are looking at over 4,000 hospital admissions and outcomes over several years prior to the ones she has been convicted of.

I fear this is the "tip of the iceberg" but not for her being released.... but actually because there are far more that she killed!

They did it when my DD was in hospital as well. I queried and they said it was normal for the monitors to dip if they loosened or baby turned, so it was better to silence them.

listen to File on 4 on radio 4. They speak to the experts who are defending her.
Very very disturbing.
Personally I think it’s a cover up by the Doctors.

Can you show me where you get one of them is British, the only person who testified for the defence was a plumber, no one else.

Most of the evidence wasn’t what your average lay, non medical person could possibly understand.

Thank you so much for this. Voice of logic and reason, based on facts, not on sensationalist hearsay.

Well said.

Every thing that is being said now is hype and trying to hype everyone into backing her that she didn't do it. Exactly what is happening.

It's ridiculous that people are considering her innocence when so much information was given and considered in detail to lead to the conclusion that she is GUILTY.

Yes.
Oddly enough... they weren't brought up in court.

Fantastic and informative post.

I’m always deeply suspicious when big press conferences are arranged as opposed to quietly submitting evidence to the appropriate authorities. It smacks of trying to influence the court of public opinion to rile people up into starting an online petition.

I recall every few years you’d get that Myra Hindley supporter submitting new ‘evidence’ loudly via the BBC proclaiming her innocence.

These 14 experts may have done it for ‘free’ but I bet my bottom dollar they expect to have their profile raised off the back of this to make money. This will be through invites to speak at conferences, talking head positions on documentaries, book deals etc.

But lots of other babies died when she wasn’t there…

Heh heh. Sudden rallying of the troops from the "witch hunt" contingent on Reddit? Such certainty, such authority. My my.

So you think Shoo Lee managed to convince the other well regarded experts to basically falsify these results? They absolutely did have all of the evidence and medical notes.

He also did not rewrite the paper, he added to it and clarified when the skin discoloration would actually be present.

Lies. She was present at or immediately before 5/6 of the other deaths that year. Tell me you haven’t followed the Thirwall inquiry without telling me.

How shocking that someone who thinks Letby is a harridan is also convinced she is guilty 😂

I would love to know what aspect of Lucy Letby’s behaviour in court would lead to someone calling her a ‘harridan’. It’s such a weird, misogynist term.

I think it's simply based on her arguing that she was innocent. Disobedient women are rarely tolerated.

You don’t even know the nature of his paper. There are no results to falsify, it is simply a review of published incidents of air embolus in newborns.

He re-wrote his paper to conclude that skin discolourations cannot happen in venal air embolus. His re-write is self-published and not peer reviewed. It was rejected by journals in Europe which is why he had to pay to self publish.

If you mean this new panel of so called experts have access to the medical and/or any other evidence from criminal trial: they categorically do not. Letby has declined to waived client privilege so her new lawyer and his cronies cannot access it.

This evidence includes confidential medical records of real human beings. It is not free to be looked at by whatever narcissistic doctor wants their 15 minutes of fame. There is a legal process to follow, which has not been.

Suspish?? Oh pleeeease!