Page 23 | Lucy Letby.....she might actually be innocent?!

SpiritAdder · 04/02/2025 23:56

FastAndLast · 04/02/2025 23:48

I’ll trust those medical staff who worked with her who were convinced of her guilt.

The majority of the staff thought she was innocent and defended her. That is, if you count ICU nurses as equal to the Drs.

thiswilloutme · 04/02/2025 23:56

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 23:50

And what if they were murdered bearing in mind these ‘experts’ are not privy to all the information about the circumstances?

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the circumstances are irrelevant - the scientists are going on the medical evidence. Their conclusions are based on their expert knowledge of how babies bodies work. There is no medical evidence that any of these babies were murdered. Not a single one of them.

There is evidence that they were not well cared for by the doctors in the unit though.

AlisonWhatIsTheMatter · 04/02/2025 23:58

Oftenaddled · 04/02/2025 23:51

It would be really hard to shake off the association, wouldn't it? But that doesn't make her a murderer.

But she'll probably be far too traumatized to work in that setting again. Imagine the effect on her and the publicity when a child died. There'll be no going back for her. It's a very sad story.

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Agree.

Regardless of whether LL is subsequently found innocent, she will never be able to continue in this line of work, although I imagine you’d have to drag her back kicking and screaming!

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Dramatic · 04/02/2025 23:58

heroinechic · 04/02/2025 23:43

The panel of experts are working with LL's defence team (as reported by the BBC). It is not an independent research exercise. I'm sure the prosecution can find 13 leading professionals to say the opposite. That's how medical evidence in litigation works.

I didn't follow the trial closely, I only kept up with what I saw in the press. I was surprised at the time that a conviction was secured via circumstantial evidence. A jury of our peers found the evidence convincing. Conflicting medical evidence doesn't change anything for me.

So you think that 14 very experienced and highly commended experts from around the world would take their time and put their reputations on the line to do this investigation without any financial incentive and then be influenced by a random lawyer to skew the results in the favour of a convicted murderer?

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Oftenaddled · 04/02/2025 23:59

Swonderful · 04/02/2025 23:56

They are saying there were even more failures by the doctors - wrong treatment given etc.

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Good point. I wouldn't want my child anywhere near that unit.

Supersimkin7 · 05/02/2025 00:00

The ‘circs around the trial’ didn’t kill these babies.

Only the medical evidence can tell us how they died and whether it was murder.

New experts say it wasn’t murder.

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Dramatic · 05/02/2025 00:00

Oftenaddled · 04/02/2025 23:51

It would be really hard to shake off the association, wouldn't it? But that doesn't make her a murderer.

But she'll probably be far too traumatized to work in that setting again. Imagine the effect on her and the publicity when a child died. There'll be no going back for her. It's a very sad story.

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Her life is completely ruined either way. She'll never have any kind of peace even if she is released

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Firefly1987 · 05/02/2025 00:03

AlisonWhatIsTheMatter · 04/02/2025 23:58

Agree.

Regardless of whether LL is subsequently found innocent, she will never be able to continue in this line of work, although I imagine you’d have to drag her back kicking and screaming!

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I think it's the opposite-they had to fight tooth and nail to get her off that unit and she wrote smug emails about how she'd be coming back to work as if nothing happened. I'd put money on her fantasising about going back to work there one day. It's like an addiction for her.

Mirabai · 05/02/2025 00:04

Dramatic · 04/02/2025 23:40

Well they obviously didn't, I don't even believe Dewi Evans himself probably read it in it's entirety

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There’s no reason to suppose the defence team did not read it.

There’s no reason to suppose Dewi Evans didn’t read it either, it’s not very long. The prosecution made a lot of claims about it that were not supported by the document itself but Im sure they read it nonetheless.

samarrange · 05/02/2025 00:04

heroinechic · 04/02/2025 23:43

The panel of experts are working with LL's defence team (as reported by the BBC). It is not an independent research exercise. I'm sure the prosecution can find 13 leading professionals to say the opposite. That's how medical evidence in litigation works.

I didn't follow the trial closely, I only kept up with what I saw in the press. I was surprised at the time that a conviction was secured via circumstantial evidence. A jury of our peers found the evidence convincing. Conflicting medical evidence doesn't change anything for me.

A jury of our peers found the evidence convincing.

A jury of our peers found the evidence convincing in the cases of the Birmingham Six, the Guildford Four, Stefan Kiszko, Andrew Malkinson, and Barry George, to name but a few people who have been sent to jail for crimes they didn't commit.

Dogsintheyard · 05/02/2025 00:07

Dramatic · 04/02/2025 21:06

I have just watched the full press conference and I'm blown away. There seems to be no actual evidence AT ALL that she killed or injured those babies. This could be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice there has ever been in this country.

Do read the NY Times journalist piece. It wasn’t allowed to be published in the UK for reasons I will never understand. Glad this is now being investigated. Or rather, reopened.

DarkForces · 05/02/2025 00:10

Oftenaddled · 04/02/2025 23:59

Good point. I wouldn't want my child anywhere near that unit.

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I wouldn't want my child anywhere near Lucy Letby. I wonder if any of the people on this thread proclaiming her innocence would leave their baby alone with her?

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 05/02/2025 00:12

I'm saddened and perplexed by this case, because I need her to be guilty because that's what a jury found, and I need her to be guilty for the sake of all those bereaved parents....

But what is she isn't guilty at all? That's the most horrendous miscarriage of justice!

I hope a reliable truth can come to light.

Supersimkin7 · 05/02/2025 00:12

New Yorker not nyt.

New Yorker is published in
uk too, but imported.

LL Piece freely available in print and online here.

Oftenaddled · 05/02/2025 00:12

Firefly1987 · 05/02/2025 00:03

I think it's the opposite-they had to fight tooth and nail to get her off that unit and she wrote smug emails about how she'd be coming back to work as if nothing happened. I'd put money on her fantasising about going back to work there one day. It's like an addiction for her.

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Management told her she'd been completely exonerated. Of course she expected to be allowed back on the unit.

It's funny how people react to completely normal behaviour when they decide someone is the villain of the piece. Frightening.

heroinechic · 05/02/2025 00:12

@Dramatic

I don't accept that there is no financial incentive. They have not been paid for their investigation into this evidence. That does not mean that they won't benefit financially from this work and the subsequent coverage.

Oftenaddled · 05/02/2025 00:15

heroinechic · 05/02/2025 00:12

@Dramatic

I don't accept that there is no financial incentive. They have not been paid for their investigation into this evidence. That does not mean that they won't benefit financially from this work and the subsequent coverage.

Look at their CVs. They are already at the top of the tree. And there is some reputational risk in getting involved in a case like this - we see that on this thread.

LSTMS30555 · 05/02/2025 00:15

She wasn't only convicted on medical evidence!
She was also convicted on her own written notes; I DID THIS I'M EVIL
all the handover notes & documents she STOLE and had at her house even though she had a shredder and had moved house. Looked up the families on FB. Had written a sympathy card for the triplets yet one didn't die as the baby was moved to a different hospital. Parents complained & witnessed her weird behaviour as did other nurses her comments on wanting to be with the sickest baby's or wanting to be back in a bay were one had died. She admitted herself "someone" had given insulin but apparently it wasn't her.
She did not once show an ounce of emotion when the babies were being talked about in court, only emotional when the Dr she fancied took the stand.
I hope that bitch rots away and is soon out of the daily rags! Her & her supporters are seriously fucked up lowlife scum.

Ilovetowander · 05/02/2025 00:15

None of us know - the deaths of the babies were a tragedy. If she is innocent her life has been ruined and that is also a tragedy

Oftenaddled · 05/02/2025 00:16

samarrange · 05/02/2025 00:04

A jury of our peers found the evidence convincing.

A jury of our peers found the evidence convincing in the cases of the Birmingham Six, the Guildford Four, Stefan Kiszko, Andrew Malkinson, and Barry George, to name but a few people who have been sent to jail for crimes they didn't commit.

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That jury of our peers is probably wondering right now why nobody told them what was going on at the hospital.

heroinechic · 05/02/2025 00:16

@samarrange absolutely, the jury system is not foolproof. What I meant by it was that they were in a much better position to make a judgment on LL's guilt than any of us are.

They sat and heard all the evidence that was available at the time, and listened to all the cross examination. They had the chance to scrutinise it all and they came to a conclusion. It's arrogant to think that any of us know better.

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Dramatic · 05/02/2025 00:17

LSTMS30555 · 05/02/2025 00:15

She wasn't only convicted on medical evidence!
She was also convicted on her own written notes; I DID THIS I'M EVIL
all the handover notes & documents she STOLE and had at her house even though she had a shredder and had moved house. Looked up the families on FB. Had written a sympathy card for the triplets yet one didn't die as the baby was moved to a different hospital. Parents complained & witnessed her weird behaviour as did other nurses her comments on wanting to be with the sickest baby's or wanting to be back in a bay were one had died. She admitted herself "someone" had given insulin but apparently it wasn't her.
She did not once show an ounce of emotion when the babies were being talked about in court, only emotional when the Dr she fancied took the stand.
I hope that bitch rots away and is soon out of the daily rags! Her & her supporters are seriously fucked up lowlife scum.

Did you watch the press conference?

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mainecooncatonahottinroof · 05/02/2025 00:17

I will wait to hear how this develops. I have no idea now whether or not she is guilty. I don't think anyone does.

Oftenaddled · 05/02/2025 00:20

LSTMS30555 · 05/02/2025 00:15

She wasn't only convicted on medical evidence!
She was also convicted on her own written notes; I DID THIS I'M EVIL
all the handover notes & documents she STOLE and had at her house even though she had a shredder and had moved house. Looked up the families on FB. Had written a sympathy card for the triplets yet one didn't die as the baby was moved to a different hospital. Parents complained & witnessed her weird behaviour as did other nurses her comments on wanting to be with the sickest baby's or wanting to be back in a bay were one had died. She admitted herself "someone" had given insulin but apparently it wasn't her.
She did not once show an ounce of emotion when the babies were being talked about in court, only emotional when the Dr she fancied took the stand.
I hope that bitch rots away and is soon out of the daily rags! Her & her supporters are seriously fucked up lowlife scum.

People have talked about the notes and Facebook all over this thread.

No parents or families complained about her at all before they were told she murdered their babies.

She cried over one of the babies at trial, and she cried over deaths at the hospital too. And she cried when a man who had once been friendly and protective turned around and accused her.

I hope you never find yourself judged on gossip and trivia the way you are judging her

smooththecat · 05/02/2025 00:22

One of the astonishing things is that the defence didn’t call any experts with this evidence. There was only the plumber who testified that the sewage was bubbling out of the sinks in the neonatal unit. Is the legal system ok? There are serious questions to answer.