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I do not believe in gender identity.

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SernieBanders · 04/02/2025 09:05

There are two sexes: male and female. Occasionally, that matters.

There is no such thing as an innate gender identity—no internal essence that makes someone more inclined to wear dresses and sip wine, or football boots and down pints. Those are cultural stereotypes, not proof of some mystical gendered soul.

The idea of gender identity is sexist, misogynistic, and regressive. It reinforces outdated norms instead of challenging them. Women do not need an inner feeling of womanhood to be women. Men do not need a gender identity to be men. Sex is real. Stereotypes are not.

I hope with the flurry of cultural changes, legal challenges, scientific findings and executive orders in the last ~12 months, more people feel able to stand up and be counted, and say - No More.

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GouacheEnthusiast · 04/02/2025 11:09

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SailorSerena · 04/02/2025 11:10

CautiousLurker01 · 04/02/2025 11:08

How is stating that you don’t believe in gender in any way ‘trans bashing’?

Would proclaiming ‘I don’t believe in God’ be deemed Christian/Jewish bashing?

If you don't know that this is absolutely going to devolve into yet another trans bashing thread, you haven't been here long.

TaliaTalia · 04/02/2025 11:10

For the most part I agree.
However for a tiny minority it’s not quite as simple as man or woman is it?
I have an intersex child* (they have both sets of genitals, I won’t go in to how that looks for them but it’s a medical diagnosis).
They have to present one way or another in order to fulfill a role in society (eg do they want to wear the girls school uniform or the boys). We don’t yet know what puberty is going to look like for them so from when they could speak up until now we’ve gone by how they feel (feel possibly being the wrong word but we have followed their cues). I do live with a nagging dread that when hormones kick in things are going to go the other way for them and cause all manner of trauma.

Im female. I’ve never felt female, I don’t know what it means to ‘be female’ - but I know I am. I often wonder if I was growing up today if I’d have had some sort of gender crisis. I was a huge tomboy growing up, nowadays we seem very quick to slap a label on that.

*just to reiterate my child is not transgender, not by their own standards, by mine or medically.

CautiousLurker01 · 04/02/2025 11:10

bigkidatheart · 04/02/2025 11:04

@CautiousLurker01 I remember we used to say it takes a man to be very confident in his sexuality to wear a pink top 😂

I'm going to get roasted now aren't I?

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Lol just remembered that DH also loves wine and the ballet (his mum used to take him a lot which has morphed into a love of classical music, opera, and the theatre). He also loves rugby and cricket, or anything involving groups of blokes and a ‘ball’ so now I am sexually confused…

ChishiyaBat · 04/02/2025 11:11

SailorSerena · 04/02/2025 11:01

It's not misogyny to not want to see the trans bashing threads on all the other boards day in day out.

There's a whole board for this topic, use it!

Who died and made you the boss of who posts where?

Trans bashing my fat arse!
Women and their rights matter! Speaking biological fact is not bashing anything.

dizzydizzydizzy · 04/02/2025 11:11

In most every day circumstances, I don't see what difference it makes to everyone else if somebody born a boy identifies as a woman, or vice versa.

I get it with competitive sport and few orther specific circumstances. My next door neighbour was born a girl and identifies as a man. If that makes him happy and fulfilled who am I to contradict?

DM worked in a hospital lab on the 60s. It was her job to look at the chromosomes of people where it wasn't clear whether they were male or female. She used to get people with XXY or whatever.

Wemaybebetterstrangers · 04/02/2025 11:11

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‘I still believe the majority of terfs are angry working class alt-right’

What is your definition of a ‘terf’, beyond the letters it purports to represent?

Who is the ‘working-class’ these days? Is that the same as Starmers ‘working people’, and if so who the hell Are they, as far as you are concerned?

And finally what does ‘alt-right’ mean, in your view?

Thanks much.

CautiousLurker01 · 04/02/2025 11:12

SailorSerena · 04/02/2025 11:10

If you don't know that this is absolutely going to devolve into yet another trans bashing thread, you haven't been here long.

not going to rise to that

SernieBanders · 04/02/2025 11:12

SailorSerena · 04/02/2025 11:01

It's not misogyny to not want to see the trans bashing threads on all the other boards day in day out.

There's a whole board for this topic, use it!

Who is bashing "trans"?

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bigkidatheart · 04/02/2025 11:13

CautiousLurker01 · 04/02/2025 11:10

Lol just remembered that DH also loves wine and the ballet (his mum used to take him a lot which has morphed into a love of classical music, opera, and the theatre). He also loves rugby and cricket, or anything involving groups of blokes and a ‘ball’ so now I am sexually confused…

Don't be confused he is just educated and cultural, you just need to worry if he starts growing his hair and your underwear slowly disappears 😂

commonsense61 · 04/02/2025 11:13

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SernieBanders · 04/02/2025 11:14

@dizzydizzydizzy

"DM worked in a hospital lab on the 60s. It was her job to look at the chromosomes of people where it wasn't clear whether they were male or female. She used to get people with XXY or whatever."

People with DSDs are STILL either MALE OR FEMALE - never anything else. DSDs are very poorly understood, but you are always still male or female.

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SheridansPortSalut · 04/02/2025 11:14

I can't say it really effects me that much either way.

SernieBanders · 04/02/2025 11:15

@dizzydizzydizzy

"I get it with competitive sport and few orther specific circumstances. My next door neighbour was born a girl and identifies as a man. If that makes him happy and fulfilled who am I to contradict?"

Because, just like the earth not being flat, it's just NOT TRUE! And, when it comes to private spaces and sports, and indeed DEI quotas, it does matter

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SantasLargerHelper · 04/02/2025 11:15

Fully in agreement.

I don't have a gender identity. I have a physical sex and a personality.

This sums it up for me.

ChishiyaBat · 04/02/2025 11:16

SheridansPortSalut · 04/02/2025 11:14

I can't say it really effects me that much either way.

Phew thank god stand down everyone, it doesn't effect Sheridan so we can stop with all our silly thoughts about it all.

SernieBanders · 04/02/2025 11:16

SheridansPortSalut · 04/02/2025 11:14

I can't say it really effects me that much either way.

If you use changing rooms, have a child or use the NHS, it affects you.

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JHound · 04/02/2025 11:16

Ok.

JHound · 04/02/2025 11:17

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JHound · 04/02/2025 11:17

SernieBanders · 04/02/2025 11:15

@dizzydizzydizzy

"I get it with competitive sport and few orther specific circumstances. My next door neighbour was born a girl and identifies as a man. If that makes him happy and fulfilled who am I to contradict?"

Because, just like the earth not being flat, it's just NOT TRUE! And, when it comes to private spaces and sports, and indeed DEI quotas, it does matter

What DEI quotas?

Wemaybebetterstrangers · 04/02/2025 11:18

ChishiyaBat · 04/02/2025 11:11

Who died and made you the boss of who posts where?

Trans bashing my fat arse!
Women and their rights matter! Speaking biological fact is not bashing anything.

Women and their rights matter! Speaking biological fact is not bashing anything.

Quite. But men who identify as women (trans women), love to use the ‘transphobic’ criticism against women because they feel it gives them better ground to stand on. And they usually hate women too. If they liked women they wouldn’t feel like they had the right to invade their spaces. Good men don’t that.

commonsense61 · 04/02/2025 11:18

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ThatFluentTiger · 04/02/2025 11:18

I believe in protecting women’s only spaces and women’s sport, and that the recent trans rights movement was of course at the expense of women.
But I also have empathy for people who are stuck in a body that they don’t feel comfortable in. I think that must be a really awful thing and it’s good there is recognition and acceptance for them.

furiousnana · 04/02/2025 11:18

i am what i am and if you are not sure, then ask me and i'll tell you. you can be whatever you want to be, but if i am not sure allow me the same respect to ask.

i do not get upset, or offended if someone assume by my physical features i am one thing, yet i identify as something else.

i have no issue with people identifying as anything they damn well like, the thing that winds me up is them getting upset and offended if i make a mistake.

many men who identify as women, still look like men even in womens clothing, the same as many women who identify as men still look like a woman. if i get it wrong, don't go off on me. correct me by all means, but don't go all huffy and moody.

Wemaybebetterstrangers · 04/02/2025 11:19

ChishiyaBat · 04/02/2025 11:16

Phew thank god stand down everyone, it doesn't effect Sheridan so we can stop with all our silly thoughts about it all.

😂😂😂🤷‍♀️

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