I do not believe in gender identity.

[SernieBanders]

There are two sexes: male and female. Occasionally, that matters.

There is no such thing as an innate gender identity—no internal essence that makes someone more inclined to wear dresses and sip wine, or football boots and down pints. Those are cultural stereotypes, not proof of some mystical gendered soul.

The idea of gender identity is sexist, misogynistic, and regressive. It reinforces outdated norms instead of challenging them. Women do not need an inner feeling of womanhood to be women. Men do not need a gender identity to be men. Sex is real. Stereotypes are not.

I hope with the flurry of cultural changes, legal challenges, scientific findings and executive orders in the last ~12 months, more people feel able to stand up and be counted, and say - No More.

Well it is quite instructive to see the poll results. I think this is a change from where things would have been a few years ago, and that makes me feel better

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/when-did-girls-start-wearing-pink-1370097/

I think it means you love a person as an individual and their sex doesn't matter.
I am not so sure myself as I don't fancy women so would be unlikely to be in a position to fall in love with one. However, a married straight friend of mine met a woman who she fell head over heels for and left her H and is now blissfully happy, she insists she never had any feelings for any other women before this one.

But in the 1920s pink was thought of as a masculine colour for boys and blue was considered dainty and more suitable for girls.

Up to the middle of the 1700s high heels were worn by men, and they had long curly wigs in the 17th and 18th centuries.

Colours, clothes and hairstyles do not make you one sex or the other.

Agreed OP.

There’s been a huge number of forceful claims on SM, by activists, that gender identity is indeed innate and immutable, that toddlers know whether their gender identity differs from their birth sex, that gender matters more than sex, that gender is assigned at birth. These claims have become less common but a couple of years ago, they were everywhere. They may not be consistent with gender theory, but they’re what was being pushed.

There are two sexes: male and female. Occasionally, that matters.

That sums it up nicely. Fully agree.

If there is no such thing as gender identity, there can be no such thing as an opposite gender identity. That's logic.

Absolutely. Gender is ... Bollocks. Smoke and mirrors.

If a woman's wearing false nails, big hair, makeup, heels, bla bla bla, that's just a much drag as if a man's wearing it. It doesn't make / affirm that either is female. It's fake. Costume.

The limiting rigidity that says men/women like, wear, are, do, want, can, etc is artificial. It probably causes a lot of problems, including for ND and same sex attracted people.

It seems to be getting worse. I remember glam rock, disco, new romantics, punk, skinheads - boys in lace, makeup, long hair, glitter, girls with shaved heads, combats, doc martens. It's all just frocks.

But sex matters.

Women and men have physical experience unique to themselves. Health, reproduction, menstruation, medical needs.

Sport must remain sex specific for safety, fairness, and opportunity.

The male sex is statistically more likely to be a danger to the female sex and to children. Therefore sex segregated facilities are wise for safety.

And both sexes deserves dignity and privacy. I remember queueing for the mixed sex loos at a theatre and female volunteers were bellowing at men in the queue 'THE URINALS ARE OVER THERE' and several sheepish looking chaps trying to pretend they hadn't heard because they probably needed more than a wee and had now been embarrassed.

There are only two sexes. Differences in sex development exist and are probably more prevalent than we realise. XX and XY are too simplistic. But it's physical, not gender. Humans can't change sex.

I don't use the G word in conversation, unless I'm talking about grammar. So it's not gender neutral or all gender loos, changing rooms etc; it's mixed sex. Keep saying it. Shine a spotlight on it.

If Suffragettes were quite comfortable using the word then we can be.

I don't think gender identity exists in the way modern gender ideology conceives it.

My personal opinion is that I would not be surprised if people are born to know that they are male or female and that this knowledge emerges around age 3/4.

I think all social animals must have this as in most species males and females have different roles, which they will at least partly learn from observation, so they need to know if they are male or female to know which sex to observe and learn from.

This is not the same as a gender identity but is a knowledge of your sex.

I do think that as a population males and females are more inclined to some behaviours than others, and that this is not just socially learnt . Men are so vastly more violent that women that I think this is due to a biological reason, and socialisation and culture can either exaggerate or limit that propensity to be violent. This does not mean that being violent means you are man. Just that it is more predominant in one sex than the other. The only thing that makes you a man is your sex.

The entire reason children are given puberty blockers is based on the belief that gender identity is innate. It’s apparently something that a child is born with. A girl gender identity in a boy’s body or vice versa.

If this is not accurate, then that means children are being sterilised entirely on the basis of a socially constructed phenomenon.

Which is true and which is better or worse?

Completely agree. A man is a man, a woman is a woman. If a man wants to dress as a woman, fair enough that's up to them, but they are still a man. If a woman wants to dress as a man, fine! but they are still a woman.

All this 'i feel a like a woman, therefore I am one' and 'if I like wearing skirts and make up I must be a women's crap is nonsense! I'm a woman, I don't often wear skirts and never wear make up! that doesn't make me a man!!!

The worst thing is that this crap is taught in schools. My son tells me that his secondary school have been taught there are over 50 genders. One of his teachers is a "Mx" but she is quite clearly a woman. It's so confusing for the kids.

Boys are boys, girls are girls. Sure, express yourself however you like, boys can wear dresses, high heels etc.. of they like, good for them! Plenty of women don't wear them. Wearing a dress doesn't make you a female any more than wearing jeans and a t shirt makes you a man.

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Its an attempt to erase homosexuality and heterosexuality as these are problematic for gender ideology.

Im not against it as im bi my self but i just never heard of it.

If you genuinely think this, then you have managed to miss the ideology that has very clearly been pushed by gender ideologists and subject to pushback by feminists.

I agree OP. We can only ever know how we feel. There’s no such thing as a ‘male brain’ of a ‘female brain’. If really pisses me off ‘oh I must have been born in the wrong body because I feel much more caring or nurturing than a man should’ or worse, ‘because I like pink’ (or glitter? Or rainbows?)
Don’t get me started on autogynephilia, that’s the big problem imo.

This.

Hopefully some individuals, are looking at why they did the affirmation thing. Poor kids so.mixed up, often autistic and vulnerable with mental health issues. Led by stupid parents and others into 'you must be in the wrong body' believing that changing name, clothing and chest binding or hormones would fix the mental health issues. Sad. It feels like abuse on a mass scale. Gradually people are starting to realise this. Many lost souls detransitioning now. Massive damage done.

Bizarrely there’s a 50 year old man in Canada who identities as a teenage girl and was allowed to compete against young girls at a swimming event. Including sharing changing rooms and anyone speaking out against him was thrown out.

There was a thread running in the feminism part of this site.

I think ~26 people have voted "You ARE being unreasonable", I'd very much like them to explain what a gender identity is and why it matters?

I’m old enough to remember when ‘gender bending’ was quite normal and it was absolutely fine for men to wear dresses and make up and women to have cropped hair and wear suits without thinking they were the opposite sex.

David Bowie, Marc Bolan, Boy George, Marilyn, Annie Lennox, Grace Jones plus many more all very androgynous in their appearance but distinctly their sex.

The whole TRA movement is regressive, misogynistic and homophobic.

The whole TRA movement is regressive, misogynistic and homophobic.

I reckon it's jealousy. Because they never experienced:

David Bowie, Marc Bolan, Boy George, Marilyn, Annie Lennox, Grace Jones plus many more all very androgynous in their appearance but distinctly their sex.

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I'm currently wearing blue jeans and a blue t shirt. Hell, I'm even wearing a blue bra.

I'm also menstruating.

Which of those tells you if I'm a 'girl' or a 'boy'?

Well... I think some individuals do have a sense of 'gender identity' that's very important to them. The problem came when rather than realising that it's fine to be gender nonconforming, they were led to believe 'gender' must align with sex, and therefore should modify their bodies in a futile attempt to do the impossible and 'change sex'.

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