I do not believe in gender identity.

[SernieBanders]

There are two sexes: male and female. Occasionally, that matters.

There is no such thing as an innate gender identity—no internal essence that makes someone more inclined to wear dresses and sip wine, or football boots and down pints. Those are cultural stereotypes, not proof of some mystical gendered soul.

The idea of gender identity is sexist, misogynistic, and regressive. It reinforces outdated norms instead of challenging them. Women do not need an inner feeling of womanhood to be women. Men do not need a gender identity to be men. Sex is real. Stereotypes are not.

I hope with the flurry of cultural changes, legal challenges, scientific findings and executive orders in the last ~12 months, more people feel able to stand up and be counted, and say - No More.

You dismissed my, and 90% of readers, views as likely to be "low self esteem. possibly thought covid was a lie. daily mail subscription. working class."

You're making sweeping accusations that are not true, based on your own snobbishness and lack of contact with people of a different mind to you.

So it’s “working class alt-right” to think this man should not be in a women’s shelter, is it?

https://reduxx.info/canada-trans-identified-male-charged-after-allegedly-sexually-assaulting-multiple-women-while-staying-at-a-womens-shelter/

Absolutely this!

Also, completely agree OP.

@NotBadConsidering

"So it’s “working class alt-right” to think this man should not be in a women’s shelter, is it?"

Is the smear used by authoritarian left liberals because they cannot possibly imagine a worse thing to be called than either slightly right of centre, or even worse, work with your hands like an animal.

Clearly of course women and children rights are not a left or right thing, they are a human thing.

In my experience, terfs are pretty left wing. I certainly don't read the Daily Mail or hate immigrants. I just think single-sex spaces are important in some circumstances.

Indeed. My DS is 16yo, 6ft 4 and 16 st. Pink is his favourite colour so he’s wearing a JoeBrowns cerise t-shirt. Pretty sure he, his girlfriend and everyone he encounters today at college know he’s a ‘boy’. DH is wearing a pale pink shirt today too, with cream chinos and a navy sweater. Fairly sure that when he pulls his sweater off at the hospital for blood tests, or at the office afterwards, no-one will think he’s morphed into a ‘lady’….

Doing @MNHQ doesn't contact them, doesn't everyone know that by now? You need to report a post to do that.

Where did all these "genders" come from? There used to be men, women, men who liked wearing women's clothes and women who liked to wear men's clothes...
Dont start asking what terfs cis etc are cos I dont know or care..

You’d think after what happened last night MNHQ would have bigger fish to fry than dealing with people calling the waahmbulance over a discussion about sex-based rights.

It's just so sad. All our kids being messed-up, made to conform to outdated stereotypes we thought we'd left behind in the 1950s. It being taught in schools as fact. All to cover for men's sexual fetish - autogynophilia.
Gender identity is homophobic and misogynistic - it doesn't exist.
As for non-binary - well what does that make me?! I'm a woman that doesn't "perform femininity" and never have. It's just another way of changing what the word 'woman' means.
Our leaders, politicians, companies and society have all blindly fallen for it, betraying and ignoring the needs and rights of well over half the population and it's all just lies.

Well, yanbu, but I'm not sure what "executive orders" have to do with any of it, unless you're referring to this bizarre idea that Daddy Trump is fixing gender.

If so that's actually laughable. UK feminists have been working fucking tirelessly for years now to have the concept of an 'innate gender' up for debate again, and they've actually gained ground while still having womens' rights at the top of their agenda. The Cheeto-in-Chief is a wave riding imbecile and should be credited for nothing.

I can only speak for myself, but I feel - and have always felt - deeply feminine. And I truly don't think that it's the result of social conditioning. I genuinely like ballet and wine and makeup, and have no interest in more masculine pursuits. Never have done, never will do. Given how strongly I feel female, it seems to me that gender ID is a thing. But I'm not well-versed in these matters like some here.

@NotBadConsidering - true indeed. But I wouldn't want anyone thinking MNHQ was meanly ignoring them rather than simply oblivious of their rather unpleasantly phrased complaint.

I think people are arguing at cross purposes here (think that’s the expression). Most people here complete agree it is a socially constructed concept that has been around for decades (since 1950’s sociological research I think). The point is that over the last 5-10 years agencies such as Mermaid, Stonewall, a significant number of trans rights advocates in parliament and other lawmaking and medical organisations have argued that it is not - that it is an innate part of their essence. This is also what the PHSE classes at my children’s school taught within the last 5 years.

I think you are agreeing with OP and others - ie that it is a socially constructed notion that has nothing to do with the sexed body?

It's not misogyny to not want to see the trans bashing threads on all the other boards day in day out.

There's a whole board for this topic, use it!

What defines 'masculine' and 'feminine' though? Many men like ballet and wine, not many use makeup in western 21st century society but that's not the case in other cultures and times.
The fact you more or less conform to some current gender stereotypes of 'feminine' doesn't make you one whit more female than a woman who likes beer and sci fi, does it?

Well even Stonewall (was a fabulous org for gay rights, is now the leader of corrupt gender woo theory) has conceded that just because a man says he’s a woman doesn't mean we all have to agree with him. Progress indeed…A man in a dress is still a man. And we are allowed to say so without losing our jobs.

@CautiousLurker01 I remember we used to say it takes a man to be very confident in his sexuality to wear a pink top 😂

I'm going to get roasted now aren't I?

up until about 20 years ago this was correct
unfortunately lots of people for reasons we can only speculate on misunderstood this (perhaps wilfully) and now claim that gender identity is an actual thing, more important than sex
and so here we are

I agree there is only two sexes, I am also happy for someone to believe something different with the caveat that it doesn’t infringe on someone’s rights.

So people compete in sports or use the bathroom of their sex at birth (or an alternative bathroom for both sexes if someone is uncomfortable). I don’t agree with a genetically man being allowed into sports as they have a biological advantage. But I am happy for them to live their life how they want….without affecting others.

I do feel sorry for people that feel they are in the wrong sex body. People who are very anti this reminds me of going back 50 years and people being gay. I think we have to protect and ring fence rights for all, that’s men, women and anyone who might feel they are in the wrong body.

Indeed, the opinions of working class women in those shelters aren’t considered worthy of respect. Escaping male violence only to be compelled to share with a man and subjected to male violence as a result? Nah, if you object to that you’re “alt right” 🙄 according to some, as if that’s an insult that registers as important to someone who’s been sexually assaulted in a place they thought was safe.

And these people think they’re the good guys.

How is stating that you don’t believe in gender in any way ‘trans bashing’?

Would proclaiming ‘I don’t believe in God’ be deemed Christian/Jewish bashing?