I do not believe in gender identity.

[SernieBanders]

There are two sexes: male and female. Occasionally, that matters.

There is no such thing as an innate gender identity—no internal essence that makes someone more inclined to wear dresses and sip wine, or football boots and down pints. Those are cultural stereotypes, not proof of some mystical gendered soul.

The idea of gender identity is sexist, misogynistic, and regressive. It reinforces outdated norms instead of challenging them. Women do not need an inner feeling of womanhood to be women. Men do not need a gender identity to be men. Sex is real. Stereotypes are not.

I hope with the flurry of cultural changes, legal challenges, scientific findings and executive orders in the last ~12 months, more people feel able to stand up and be counted, and say - No More.

What that gets a deletion now? Insane!

Why should I “tell you”that when I never said it nor do I believe it. Stop quoting me and making demands of me and implying I said things I didn’t say. Please please just leave me alone. Thank you.

Why do you not have the courage to back up your convictions?

this is a discussion forum.

tell us why you believe in a gendered soul? What’s your evidence, your reasoning, how should we treat people who believe they do?

stand up and be counted surely it’s important?

Sterilisation of children is wrong. Thousands, wow, that's vile, imagine sterilisation of thousands of children on the pretence that they WILL commit suicide otherwise. How sick.is that. Stop this social contagion. Those poor children, damaged forever.

To blackmail children and parents into these procedures with the threat of suicide is so utterly vile.

I can see that you’re standing up for something you believe in deeply. It takes courage to speak openly about topics that have become so contentious, and I respect that you want to push back against ideas you see as harmful. You’re right that sex is real and that no one should define who we are.. In a time when these conversations can feel overwhelming or even silencing, it’s important that you feel able to speak honestly about your views.

I didn’t say I believe that. Did you actually read my posts? I think you are getting me mixed up with someone else.all
i said was that your thread is boring because it’s just an opinion and not adding anything new . never once did I say I believe men should be entitled to women’s spaces or that I believe in gender identity.

And yes I still think your thoughts are boring and nothing new and the same as 90 percent of peoples views on mumsnet. How do I back that view up further?

Anyway maybe you should take a long hard look at yourself because your bullying behaviour and name calling is so inappropriate. You are behaving like an angry mob on a witch hunt. Again please Just leave me alone.

A discussion is not bullying.

You keep asking me to back up things and views I don’t share and didn’t say. And you have called me names. That is bullying.

If people find threads on a particular subject boring, the normal thing is to not read them.

Complaining that there are too many threads on a particular subject and saying that people should not start them looks remarkably like an attempt at censorship and silencing.

I do wonder at those who complain that comment they find a thread is not something they want to participate in, or boring, rather than scrolling past.

There seems to be some posters who lack impulse control who cannot just keep scrolling, there have been quite a few of those on AIBU threads. Then there are some
posters who fully believe that MN should curate the discussions available to their personal taste, including reporting threads to be moved because they don’t like to see them.

Isn't it just. How vile to pretend if yiu don't go diwn the road of hormones and sugery which are life changing means suicide is appalling and not true anyway.

It feels like a massive child abuse scandal and in years to come we will see professionals, people peddling hormone drugs for sale and parents and teachers charged. The Cass report showed the harm done to children and yet some double down and still want to harm children. What's wrong with them!

I voted YABU as is my entitlement. The op asked why people voted YABU I gave my answer. I’m interested in the topic just find her thread pointless . It’s not about censorship and silencing. There is an awful lot of jumping to conclusions on this thread. I understand people feel very strongly and I can understand that, but there is no need for hysterics and bullying and demanding people back up things they didn’t say.

When someone deliberately asks why someone voted YABU and the person gives their reasons, resorting to bullying and ganging up on a person is not appropriate.

@Cornflakes123 you said that you voted that the OP was being unreasonable to not believe in gender identity. That matters to me because I want to try to understand my child better and they can’t explain it to me, perhaps due to autism and a difficulty in explaining feelings, in which case hearing other peoples views and why they believe you can be born in the wrong body is very important. If however you don’t have any views on it then that is fine but your vote scews the results.
I agree with you that Mumsnet is not the place to come for help but when there is no impartial professional help for thise over 18, when the only doctors are gender affirming, who will prescribe hormones for self reported gender dysphoria then Mumsnet is better than nothing. Younger children are being better served now because of changes to the low but late teens are still very vulnerable.

@Kalalily so sorry you and your child are going through that. I didn’t say I believe in gender identity though. I said YABU because of reasons I’ve already outlined several times. And I’m not pretending to be an expert at all I don’t have any experience with gender identity issues myself. I saw one person gave their view that they always believed they were a boy earlier in the thread. That person was swiftly told they were wrong and hasn’t commented since. im glad you find the thread helpful though.

No one is bullying or ganging up on you. If you continually keep coming back to a thread repeating the same 'I find this thread boring and pointless' and calling any pushback to those who find your stance also pointless bullying, you're going to get a bit of pushback, and rightly so. It's a discussion forum.

Commenting on threads you find pointless isn't mandatory, I'm sure there are many other threads on Mumsnet that aren't boring and pointless for you.

Actually they are. Mumsnet has deleted several of the ops posts which were highly highly inappropriate. I’ve been told “tell us why you think men’s wants are more important than women’s “ when I literally never ever said that and don’t think it. It’s pure bullying and I’m entitled to stick up for myself. I keep telling the op to leave me alone and she kept hounding me over and over again. Yes it very much is bullying.

is my local Lib Dem council. Bullying! Just yesterday, people with concerns were written off as a “minority” sad to see captured women yet again excising misogyny. You have to wonder why they are so desperate to please men, that they are willing to open women up to danger and loss of dignity.

what, in Gods name goes through peoples minds?

From now on my dog identifies as a cat and is heading to all the local beaches this summer - if they can’t define woman they can’t define dog

@AccidentallyWesAnderson i don’t mind people pushing back for me saying the thread is pointless. I do mind people making up things about me that I didn’t say and then posting them on the thread. I also do mind hysterical people suggesting it’s about silencing and censorship. It’s ridiculous

Bingo!

"Hysterical"

Thank you @Cornflakes123 . I think it’s easy to forget that some people are going through hell and that there is little help in the real world, which makes discussions like this helpful including the comments from the earlier poster.
My interest is in the recent upsurge in late onset gender dysphoria particularly in adolescent boys. I am very troubled by the fact that the medical profession are unwilling to.look at the whole picture and will prescribe for autism, trauma, anxiety but refer you to a gender clinic for gender dysphoria the treatment for which is hormones - if that is what the young person wants. There is a lack of integrated care, which is damaging our young people. I appreciate the thread was much more general than this but this is the reality for many families caught up in the gender identity crisis. It’s a scandal - because it may never make the headlines like the post office scandal because the numbers affected are small. But the numbers of professionals sitting back and letting it happen are huge and that is unforgivable in a profession that has “do no harm” at its very core.

Yes it is hysterical suggesting I am censoring people because I find this thread boring. Absolutely. “Bingo” indeed .

Yep! Comes out eventually!