I do not believe in gender identity.

[SernieBanders]

There are two sexes: male and female. Occasionally, that matters.

There is no such thing as an innate gender identity—no internal essence that makes someone more inclined to wear dresses and sip wine, or football boots and down pints. Those are cultural stereotypes, not proof of some mystical gendered soul.

The idea of gender identity is sexist, misogynistic, and regressive. It reinforces outdated norms instead of challenging them. Women do not need an inner feeling of womanhood to be women. Men do not need a gender identity to be men. Sex is real. Stereotypes are not.

I hope with the flurry of cultural changes, legal challenges, scientific findings and executive orders in the last ~12 months, more people feel able to stand up and be counted, and say - No More.

Where did I say that women shouldn’t have single spaces ??? I literally never said this once. You are jumping to your own conclusions . I’m in full agreement that men shouldn’t be allowed into women’s changing rooms and I completely agree with that nurse. There are soooo many threads already though there are already 2 threads about the nurse.

Why don’t you write to local politicians instead

That's not mutually exclusive with posting here.

I'm doing lots of things thank you. But these would be of no interest to you who are 'so bored' by the issues facing vulnerable women because of this.

"Why don’t you write to local politicians instead if you feel so strongly about it ?"

We do all this and more. We even sue people and crowdfund to help women defend their rights, and those women often then go on to change the law.

At the moment we are exercising our rights and free will to discuss gender idoleogy on MN.

Why are you here telling us "you agree" but we should shut up & speak no more? Why are you doing that?

I didn’t say I wasn’t interested I said this one is particularly not interesting as it doesn’t add anything new at all to the argument. I don’t see the point of the thread ? I don’t disagree but is the point to flame anyone who does.

My apologies - I didn't realise you identifed as the Thread Police.

Read my post again. I said YOU AGREE that women should have single sex spaces but discussing the importance of this over many threads is apparently anti-trans? Despite you agreeing? Do you even know what you mean? You’ve read many threads on the subject after all.

Well that's the oddest thing really.

So you profess to agree with us on the fundamental point, but find it 'boring' and 'anti-trans' to discuss it.

So fine to think it, but not actually talk about it. Is that it?

Do you regularly post on threads you have no interest in, don’t appear to understand nor get the point of, but simultaneously come across like the self appointed thread police to boot? That’s up there with ‘what a waste of time that is’ IMO.

I just find on mumsnet there is a huge proportion of threads on the subject that’s all. This one hasn’t added anything new at all. Yes I do agree. I actually feel like I am being totally ganged up on here and people are accusing me of being terfs and all sorts just because I’m not like “here here yes gender identity is bullshit “ or whatever it is you want me to say

I do have an interest in the topic . I don’t find what the op had to say on the topic interesting or insightful . So u voted YABU.

This has been addressed repeatedly on this thread, maybe you should read the thread.

There are no humans who are neither male nor female, or who are both. Repeating this is spreading misinformation and it is leveraging a group of people's medical conditions and their bodies to support another group's political agenda. People with differences of sex development are not transgender people, there may be some people with DSDs that identify as being transgender. Please don't spread this misinformation

People are free to identify how they wish, of course. What they cannot do is expect any other person to act as if their philosophical belief that they are not the sex they are, is material reality.

It’s an important topic.

quite why people aren’t talking about it every single day baffles me.

Absolutely agree with you, as I said upthread, the majority of posters on this thread only want an echo chamber, they pretend they want debate but anyone who disagrees even slightly outside their agreed rhetoric is shouted down. Like a bunch of frothing bullies.
Yes protect women and girls, keep
women’s spaces women only, keep women’s sports women only. Condemn instances like the poor nurse in the current court case.
But gender identity is a huge spectrum of things as well as all this. For one awful man trying to infiltrate a women’s prison are there not hundreds even thousands of people who lived their lives in misery before being able to come out as identifying as a different gender. I have empathy for them, I imagine living in a body you don’t feel comfortable in and being pigeonholed into a definition you identify with causes absolute misery.

But the posters on this thread are so caught up with their own narrow point of view they can’t even take any kind of criticism or think outside their own angry agenda.
I for one am glad the world outside Mumsnet holds many people who would also condemn this thread.

you’re not voting if it’s interesting or insightful

youre voting g on whether the statement at the top of the screen is reasonable or not. Ffs.

gender identity does not exist. I don’t believe in it. Nobody can say what it is. It’s crap.

What a well reasoned argument. You literally just posted this whole thread as a call for people to agree with you. Bunch of bullies

@SernieBanders no need to curse at me. You asked why people said YABU and I told you why. Now you are berating me for that. You actually went to the bother of asking why people voted YABU. It’s just so incredulous to you that some people might not agree with every single word you said.

This is exactly what I mean. It’s like the whole point of this thread is just to see who agrees and then tell anyone who doesn’t agree 100% with everything that is being said that they are completely wrong.

I never said intersex people are trans

The thing that annoys me most as a feminist is whilst people are getting wound up about a tiny percentage of trans people, most vulnerable themselves, there is a whole patriarchy out there attacking women, men don't have to pretend to be trans to go in a changing room to do it, they just do it, on the bus, in the office, wherever they like.

How very lucky you are that you are not impacted negatively by losing female single sex spaces, losing out in sport or in any other opportunity set aside for female people so that female people can better overcome negative sexist discrimination and oppression?

How feminist of you to not be concerned about the services that female people need, such as rape crisis centres, women's shelters, and female only prisons?

And do you understand that your saying 'men don't have to pretend to be trans to go into a changing room' actively dismisses the now additional opportunity for male people to say they are legitimately in that space. And it also dismisses the fact that security and police may be unable to remove them. So, what you are supporting is additional opportunities for male predators, of any gender identity or no gender identity, to access their victims.

Do you think that those aspects fit the principles of feminism?

"I never said intersex people are trans"

Did anyone say that you had?

@Cornflakes123 no one is 'accusing' you of being a terf, most of us who agree with OP would also be described as terfs, its not a bad thing
(Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits I always think)
I disagree that nothing new has come out here, and that people who disagree have been shouted down. On the contrary people have repeatedly asked for someone to explain what gender identity is. And been very patient with the person trying to prove that sex is on a spectrum
Fair enough if its not your priority, but there are loads and loads of threads about stuff I have no interest in. I leave those posters to it. I don't go and say

OMG are you STILL talking about what type of jeans to buy?

give it rest will you with this endless moaning about MILs - what can there be to say that's new?

Call your baby whatever you like no one else cares

@Helleofabore yeah someone else did

@northwestgirl someone literally said to me “you’re a terf” and as I said I am interested in the topic. I am interested in people’s real world experiences regarding the topic.