I do not believe in gender identity.

[SernieBanders]

There are two sexes: male and female. Occasionally, that matters.

There is no such thing as an innate gender identity—no internal essence that makes someone more inclined to wear dresses and sip wine, or football boots and down pints. Those are cultural stereotypes, not proof of some mystical gendered soul.

The idea of gender identity is sexist, misogynistic, and regressive. It reinforces outdated norms instead of challenging them. Women do not need an inner feeling of womanhood to be women. Men do not need a gender identity to be men. Sex is real. Stereotypes are not.

I hope with the flurry of cultural changes, legal challenges, scientific findings and executive orders in the last ~12 months, more people feel able to stand up and be counted, and say - No More.

This link is terrible - it took 3 paragraphs to encounter a scientifically inaccurate statement presented as fact

Paste it into ChatGPT - let it* sift through it for you.

That said, one day someone will do that and ChatGPT will go "Hey ! I wrote that !"

Speaking of which, what gender is ChatGPT ? Could someone here advise me so I don't misgender he/she/it/them.

> It didn't exist when we were hunter gatherers.
https://www.insp.com/blog/old-west-native-american-women-warriors
Wrong again

Don't forget the fish !

> I think science came before politics and religion.
Are you trolling or ignorant?

Oh yes that trans argument of fish. Batshit

> Are all male or female
So what do you call people with both male and female genitalia or reproductive systems?

Oh my - please stop embarrassing yourself with the “research” you are posting! You are posting unscientific ramblings, blogs, extremely biased and factually incorrect nonsense. If you read them before quoting them as evidence you would realise that they are not supporting anything you say. Seriously, none of those links would be accepted in scholarly writings, and it is ridiculous to keep posting pieces that actually counter whatever waffle you are claiming.

And what of the (very small number of) people with both functioning ovaries and testes?
Or don't they exist in your world?

So what do you call people with both male and female genitalia or reproductive systems?

It really isn't any good referring over and over again to "people both male and female genitalia or reproductive systems".

They don't exist, and no amount of repeating the words like a magic spell will bring them into existence.

Just because it's beyond your comprehension doesn't mean it's gobbledegook to everyone
A bit like string theory

I did think that Embear's post was vitriolic. Do you think coming into a thread and saying:

'God, the constant MN transphobia posts is actually getting boring now. When I think about the amount of times trans women or trans men have made me feel uncomfortable, it’s literally zero. The amount of times cis men have made me feel uncomfortable - off the fucking scale. And that goes for transphobic bigots too.'

Was meant to encourage discussion?

They were still male or female.

You have not given us a cogent argument about why gender identity exists.

Please do, we are listening.

I'm not even going to reply to this ridiculous point as others have repeately replied to you on this thread addressing your DSD misinformation, and you repeatedly ignore them.

You are being wilfully ignorant.

@snowmichael

Will you please actually address the questions relating to people with Differences of Sex development, instead of plonking down the same links that don't really support what you seem to be trying to say on this thread.

Because you don't seem to be able to engage with anything other than saying 'there are people with differences of sex development' which the many people replying to your post fully understand and have tried to explain.

You don't seem to understand what the articles you are posting are discussing.

The sex category of a human is based on more than one indicator. Chromosomes are just one of those indicators.

Human sex categories are defined through modern testing and a decision on whether a person is male or female can be determined by considering whether that person has a body that has been formed around the production of either large or small gametes, regardless of whether those gametes have ever, are being or will ever be produced.

This requires working ovaries or testes. No human has both working ovaries and testes. You seem to be attempting to leverage people's medical conditions to destabilise the established facts around human sex, without understanding how sex is determined.

"whose ovaries are vestigial and are reabsorbed"

Can you please explain how ovaries are 'reabsorbed' back into a human body?

I thought we were just swapping total bollocks.

Your turn.

So many children and teens who say they are trans have so much else going on beneath. It's tip of the iceberg.

Autism is a major element - for a young person feeling they don't belong, especially if they have no interest in what their sex is 'supposed' to like, do, wear etc, have difficulty navigating relationships and others' behaviour, are aghast at the changes in their own adolescent bodies and the way people behave towards them, the promise that 'all you have to do is ...' must be very seductive.

A growing same sex attraction can be misread and isolating. I remember an interview with girls at a local school saying lesbians are looked at with suspicion - but transboys are cool. Being the target of homophobia must make that alternate very attractive.

Early trauma might be a factor. Eddie Izzard has said he knew from the age of five - but this was his age when his mother died, so surely that must have been a traumatised little boy's reaction to loss.

The activist Scott Nugent says

"Drives me NUTS when people in the news say medical transition is reversible, safe & life saving.

Here are just my complications.

1. Chronic bladder infections
2. At least 20 rounds of antibiotics a year
3. Handicapped Arm
4. Blood Thinners For Life
5. Lymphedema
6. Anti Bloating meds for life
7. Pulmonary Embolism
8. Stress induced heart attack
9. Urinary medication for life

10. Carpel tunnel
11. Heart Issues

Stopped T Experienced:

1. Loss of 5 teeth due to bone deterioration, need them all pulled and dentures at 52
2. One hair line fracture in my arm"

To me, expert and compassionate psychiatric care, including understanding of autism and trauma, must be the first and preferred option, especially for young people, over drugs that delay physical and neurological development, surgery that sterilises and neuters, and the experimental nature of so much of it, with lifelong complications.

On the plus side, the more science denying posters come out with such nonsense, the more the opportunity for lurkers to read the fantastic corrections pointing out reality. This is why it’s good for threads like this to be in AIBU, it allows the dispelling of myths and lies about “intersex”, DSDs, faux-scientific claims about “gender identity” and other such falsities.

To my knowledge there are no humans producing sperm and eggs.

There are some very rare people who have tissue of both ovarian tissue and testes tissue but these are not viable ovaries or testes.

Also, those people then do not have the endocrine system that supports both the production of both gametes.

As has been said repeatedly by posters in answer to your unengaged posts, with current medical testing, a human being can be reliably categorised into either having a body that has been formed around producing either large or small gametes, regardless of whether they have, are or will ever produce those gametes.

It is not just chromosomes. It is not just 'genitalia'. There are several indicators that are carefully tested and considered.

the wikipedia page on DSDs is disgustingly activist written https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

The human chromosomes are the instructions on how the body organises itself around the production of the small or large gamete - even if the body does not create the gamete eg due to infertility- however the organisation is still there - and even in the case of DSD the person will still ve either male or female - infact the impact of a DSD to the individual may depend on their sex eg whether their function was arranged around production of the large or small gamete. DSDs also range from limited impact - eg enlarged clitoris to greater impact eg presents female with internal testis.

However - it is a disgrace that the TRA have co-opted people with DSD (less than 1% of the populatio) to try and demonstrate the non existent sex spectrum as well as stealing the language ol- eg assigned at birth.

Ps @Helleofabore I am just agreeing with you

If I took a wheel off my Renault 5, it didn't become a Reliant Robin. It was a Renault 5 missing a wheel.

Not sure what DSD is to do with trans / gender identity. Are we saying that e.g. the Dr in the NHS Fife case is anything other than a born man? Because he seems to be biologically male to me!