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I do not believe in gender identity.

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SernieBanders · 04/02/2025 09:05

There are two sexes: male and female. Occasionally, that matters.

There is no such thing as an innate gender identity—no internal essence that makes someone more inclined to wear dresses and sip wine, or football boots and down pints. Those are cultural stereotypes, not proof of some mystical gendered soul.

The idea of gender identity is sexist, misogynistic, and regressive. It reinforces outdated norms instead of challenging them. Women do not need an inner feeling of womanhood to be women. Men do not need a gender identity to be men. Sex is real. Stereotypes are not.

I hope with the flurry of cultural changes, legal challenges, scientific findings and executive orders in the last ~12 months, more people feel able to stand up and be counted, and say - No More.

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SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 10:02

snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:01

You're very fond of posting completely unscientific biologically incorrect tripe, aren't you
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780444632333000245

Nothing in that article supports the assertion there is more than two sexes.

Sex is binary by definition. You either are intended to make small, or large, gametes, that's it. One or thew other. Every DSD sufferer, is male or female. they are not intersex.

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SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 10:06

snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:02

> they are not a third sex or both sexes
You need to educate yourself before spouting such rubbish
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/16324-intersex

It's still not true - the definition of the word sex means you make small or large gametes, one or the other. No DSDs place you outside of those two binaries. thats it.

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snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:06

RobinEllacotStrike · 04/02/2025 11:24

I also do not believe in gender ideology.

We have occassion to have certain spaces divided by SEX for good & valid reasons. These reasons are still relevant and are likely to remain relevant forever.

Sex is immutable and material - it has an impact on all our lives.

We ALL have an immutable sex.

If you have "gender feelings" your SEX does not change.
If you have operations your sex does not change.
If you take hormones your sex doesn't change.
If you think you can successfully disguise yourself as the opposite sex, your sex does not change.

Our sex NEVER changes.

The erosion of sex divided spaces mostly hams women and girls, and young children.

"Unisex spaces" are proven to increase risk and assaults on women and girls. Unisex spaces see an increase in hidden cameras etc. You could be filmed secretly and be peeing on pornhub for eternity and you will never know.

I don't understand why so many women support gender ideology to the extent that they want it to have priority over sex.

"Gender ideology" elevates sex stereotypes as all important - its a huge backlash as we were doing fairly well for a while in developing an understanding that sex stereotypes harm us all, epsecially women, girls & gay people, but actually everyone. Now these sex stereotypes have been elevated and centered as the most important under gender ideology. Its all in reverse.

I'd love to know how "liberal feminists" square the circle that their support for gender ideology puts men in womens prisons that results in rape and many other harms to some of the most vulnerable women in society.

> We ALL have an immutable sex.
Not all, no
What's an XXY or XYY whose male genitalia is internal and descends at puberty? or who exhibits female genitalia but whose ovaries are vestigial and are reabsorbed during their late teens?
They were biologically what? Male? Female? And are now?

snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:07

SidewaysOtter · 04/02/2025 11:26

YANBU. There are two sexes and no-one ever changes theirs. No-one is "assigned" anything at birth; sex is observed and recorded.

Gender is a social construct based on stereotypes and the application of it is inherently misogynistic.

Thinking that this is "transphobia" is laughable.

> There are two sexes and no-one ever changes theirs
Wrong twice in one sentence
Well done for not being educated in basic human biology

SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 10:08

snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:07

> There are two sexes and no-one ever changes theirs
Wrong twice in one sentence
Well done for not being educated in basic human biology

Do tell us about any human being who has ever changed their sex.

We'll wait.

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Chersfrozenface · 05/02/2025 10:09

snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:07

> There are two sexes and no-one ever changes theirs
Wrong twice in one sentence
Well done for not being educated in basic human biology

Oh dear.

Human sex is binary and immutable.

Basic mammalian biology.

SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 10:09

snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:06

> We ALL have an immutable sex.
Not all, no
What's an XXY or XYY whose male genitalia is internal and descends at puberty? or who exhibits female genitalia but whose ovaries are vestigial and are reabsorbed during their late teens?
They were biologically what? Male? Female? And are now?

XXY is MALE
XYY is also MALE

This is well known biological facts.

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snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:10

axolotlfloof · 04/02/2025 11:33

@taliatalia you absolutely do know what sex your child is and what hormones will be released at puberty.
Do your child a favour and tell them the truth.

> you absolutely do know what sex your child is and what hormones will be released at puberty.
Ok, tell me what sex an XXY or XYY or XX(male) is
And what hormones they will produce

SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 10:11

snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:10

> you absolutely do know what sex your child is and what hormones will be released at puberty.
Ok, tell me what sex an XXY or XYY or XX(male) is
And what hormones they will produce

Both MALE

We know this. Doctors know this.

What hormones they produce is irrelevant because that does not dictate someones sex.

Gametes do.

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snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:11

Lyn348 · 04/02/2025 11:40

In my understanding if you have a Y chromosome then you are biologically male regardless of whether you have an extra X chromosome or not.

You understanding is quite incorrect

SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 10:12

snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:11

You understanding is quite incorrect

Tell us why, with a cogent argument citing verifiable trustworthy sources please.

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snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:13

MariaThomasFangs · 04/02/2025 11:42

No, the science really is not unequivocal, and you cannot be trapped in the wrong body - the body you have is the only body you can ever have.

Of course, the brain can malfunction. in myriad ways leading to mental distress and illness, but this does not mean you can be "born in the wrong body."

Are disabled people born in the wrong body? was I born in the wrong body because I'm 5 foot nothing, when I'd quite like to have been a tall, lithe, model?

Yeah, you don't understand the causes of gender dysphoria at all
Fortunately, there's a wealth of information for anyone with the intelligence to seek it out and read it
www.news-medical.net/health/Causes-of-Gender-Dysphoria.aspx

snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:14

AllFurCoatAndFrillyKnickers · 04/02/2025 11:43

@JeannetteBlue
Can you post the evidence for the different area of the brain that deal with sex and gender?

https://www.news-medical.net/health/Causes-of-Gender-Dysphoria.aspx
Just one of the many scientific articles on the subject that 5 seconds searching will uncover

Causes of Gender Dysphoria

Gender dysphoria usually means a difficulty in identifying with the biological sex in an individual. The causes of gender dysphoria are not fully clear.

https://www.news-medical.net/health/Causes-of-Gender-Dysphoria.aspx

SeethingHarpie · 05/02/2025 10:14

snowmichael · 05/02/2025 09:52

Biological sex?
Like XXY, XYY, and XX(male)?
Or people with both male and female genitalia?
Your ignorance is outrageous but not, sadly, astonishing

Instead of repeating the same falsehoods and posting “evidence” that doesn’t even vaguely report whatever you think it does, why don’t you read the very specific counter to your posts? The actual scientific evidence that absolutely discredits your assertions?

Anyone actually reading the thread realises that your position is both false and unscientific (because the real science has been explained). So, dropping in the same nonsense at various points in the discussion helps no-one.

Kalalily · 05/02/2025 10:15

@CautiousLurker01 congratulations to your daughter on her uni place. I hope she has the time of her life. She is lucky to have you as her mum.
And thank you for posting on here. I imagine that it would have been so much easier for you to shut the door on this traumatic period in your family’s life.
Thank you for sharing.
There have been times when I think it would be so much easier to affirm my child. Supporting without affirming is the hardest thing in the world. But until I can find evidence that that is the best long-term outcome for my child then I cannot take that risk and we remain stuck in a kind of hell.

SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 10:16

snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:13

Yeah, you don't understand the causes of gender dysphoria at all
Fortunately, there's a wealth of information for anyone with the intelligence to seek it out and read it
www.news-medical.net/health/Causes-of-Gender-Dysphoria.aspx

Why don;t you explain it as you understand it and relate it to the points other people have listed here about why they DO NOT believe in gender identity?

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snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:17

Fishandchipsareyum · 04/02/2025 11:52

Because.... we are born with a Penis or a vagina with very different traits and hormones that come along with that biologically. What makes a person want to change ?

> we are born with a Penis or a vagina
Or both or neither
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/16324-intersex
But those people don't fit in your narrowminded little world, do they?

Intersex: What Is Intersex, Gender Identity, Intersex Surgery

Being intersex means having anatomy that doesn’t fit into a male/female sex binary. Most intersex people are healthy and surgery isn’t necessary.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/16324-intersex

SerendipityJane · 05/02/2025 10:17

SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 10:09

XXY is MALE
XYY is also MALE

This is well known biological facts.

Notice how no one replied when I asked if they remembered "The XYY Man" ?

A thriller series from the 70s.

Notice how it tackled the "gender identity" of the protagonist.

I would go as far to say that if you are spouting off about gender identity in 2025, and you have no knowledge of this piece of prime time TV, then it's possible that you may possibly not know quite as much as you thought you did.

If anyone wants to write "A study of gender identity treatment in the media in the 1970s" for their dissertation or thesis, then they can have that for free.

(I watched with DM who thought it was a good yarn, but a load of old nonsense)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_XYY_Man

The XYY Man - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_XYY_Man

snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:18

SernieBanders · 04/02/2025 11:58

People with DSDs are still ALWAYS either MALE or FEMALE.

> People with DSDs are still ALWAYS either MALE or FEMALE.
And you are still ALWAYS WRONG or WRONGER

SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 10:18

snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:14

https://www.news-medical.net/health/Causes-of-Gender-Dysphoria.aspx
Just one of the many scientific articles on the subject that 5 seconds searching will uncover

This link is terrible - it took 3 paragraphs to encounter a scientifically inaccurate statement presented as fact

"It is seen that during early pregnancy, all unborn babies are female because only the female sex chromosome (or the X chromosome) that is inherited from the mother being the active one."

That, is not true. Sex is absolutely decided at conception, as soon as new DNA is made.

All unborn babies, at any age, are not at all female. It's just not manifested. Genetically they are always the sex they will be, already

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Atangledweb · 05/02/2025 10:19

snowmichael · 05/02/2025 09:52

Biological sex?
Like XXY, XYY, and XX(male)?
Or people with both male and female genitalia?
Your ignorance is outrageous but not, sadly, astonishing

Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling s estimate of 1.7%.

So true prevalence of intersex is 0.018% yet its a common argument whenever biological sex is discussed almost as if trans supporters see this as a trump card. It really isn't you know.

Fact is that MOST people who described themselves as trans were born biological male or female. HTH

SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 10:19

snowmichael · 05/02/2025 10:18

> People with DSDs are still ALWAYS either MALE or FEMALE.
And you are still ALWAYS WRONG or WRONGER

No.

People with DSDs are always male or female.

Please find me the DSD where someone is not either male or female?

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Chersfrozenface · 05/02/2025 10:20

Anyway, disorders / differences of sexual development are nothing to do with gender identity.

They have been introduced by GI ideologues in an attempt to persuade people that "sex is a spectrum' and therefore a person who is biologically male can be female and vice versa.

Which is anti-scientific nonsense.

SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 10:21

Chersfrozenface · 05/02/2025 10:20

Anyway, disorders / differences of sexual development are nothing to do with gender identity.

They have been introduced by GI ideologues in an attempt to persuade people that "sex is a spectrum' and therefore a person who is biologically male can be female and vice versa.

Which is anti-scientific nonsense.

absolutely. its all about clouding the issue

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