I do not believe in gender identity.

[SernieBanders]

There are two sexes: male and female. Occasionally, that matters.

There is no such thing as an innate gender identity—no internal essence that makes someone more inclined to wear dresses and sip wine, or football boots and down pints. Those are cultural stereotypes, not proof of some mystical gendered soul.

The idea of gender identity is sexist, misogynistic, and regressive. It reinforces outdated norms instead of challenging them. Women do not need an inner feeling of womanhood to be women. Men do not need a gender identity to be men. Sex is real. Stereotypes are not.

I hope with the flurry of cultural changes, legal challenges, scientific findings and executive orders in the last ~12 months, more people feel able to stand up and be counted, and say - No More.

I remember this too, and it made people interesting. I remember first coming to London and being amazed at how you could be anyone in this wonderful city.
Now I lie awake at night full of anxiety that my beautiful child will be assisted by deeply unprofessional medics in mutilating their perfect body in their quest for an identity - following years of unrelenting bullying due to neuro divergence. Social media and the internet has certainly played its part but I place all the blame for facilitating irreversible changes on the deeply unprofessional psychologists and doctors who go straight to medical transitioning as treatment for gender dysphoria. Shame on them

No it's not. Gender theory says that if you like wearing dresses and sippping wine you 'feel like a woman' and therefore you ARE a woman.

The OP believes that your desire to sip wine/wear dresses is culturally conditioned. We could unlearn it. What makes us a woman are the biological indicators of womanhood - chromosomes etc.

To be honest I find understanding all the descriptions & variations people impose on themselves nowadays very difficult. FWIW there is no way I would have dressed my baby son in pink frilly dresses so whatever that says about my general opinion remains debatable

Yup, could be just a personality thing. My interests align so strongly with my being female that I assumed it was gender identity, but it could easily just be personality.

What's the third or fourth sex then?
Does it have a name?

I thought we were all just male or female and people born with differences in sexual development are either male or female sometimes with an extra male or female chromosome.

You are missing finer points of the debate. The "innate" feeling is nothing more than internalised societal construction. I might have an innate feeling of being a woman but it's not because of my chromosomes but because I grew up in a society with a strong sense of womanhood behaviour and attributes. Someone may have an innate sense of being Bristish. It's not because of their biological Britishness but because they happened to be brought up in a British society. Someone who is ethnically British but born and raised in Papua New Guiney is unlikely to have the same innate sense.
In fact, if I truly examine my feelings, I am not entirely sure what feeling like a woman feels like. I feel me and, since I have no idea what a man or another woman might feel like, I don't know if this is in any way different.

Absolutely spot on.

My biological sex started to matter massively when I became pregnant. How I was treated at work changed. How people saw me, how I was treated in maternity services vs any other medical issue (I mean coersion in maternity), how I am treated by the state when I became a mother, finances, my role in the home went from 50/50 to mostly me.

Biology matters. If we can't name the sexes, we can't call out the sexism.

You don’t believe in gender identity, fine, you do you. Other people do - it’s up to them.

There is a whole board for anti-trans stuff, so on that basis YABU

Yes, but when, for example, men, use their belief in gender identity to access single-sex spaces, then it affects us all and we should be able to talk about it.

My example may not be right (it’s a long time since we’ve talked about it) but her job was definitely to examine the chromosomes of people where it wasn’t clear whether they were male or female.

it doesnt matter if people believe in gender ideology, or think they have a gender identity. To most of us how other epeople feel about their "gender" is compeltely irrelveant.

Fact remains no one ever changes sex.

When we elevate changeable gender identity feelings (which can and do change over time - just ask the NB's) over immutable sex we end up with all kinds of madness:

• rapists/sexual predators in womens prisons;
• men in the ladies loo & changing rooms;
• poor confused NB identifying women crying because they don't have a special toilet;
• people telling children that if someone doesn't affirm their oppostite sex "gender identity" then we hate them and want them to die.

to name a few - the list is of course very long.

Gender identity ideology helps no one, especially not the people it purports to help.

Gender identity ideology does really successfully allow men into womens spaces, and erodes women's rights.

Gender ideology is a direct attack on women, and womens rights & seeks to erase us in life and law.

i dont even know what gender identity is.

I think many people have tried to argue gender is innate many times under the clusterfuck that is gender ideology. You get people arguing that there’s make/female brains, always known etc otherwise all anyone is doing is reinforcing gender stereotypes that women have been fighting against for so many years.

Join the club 😂

I go about my day feeling I am a woman. l look like a woman, I have a body like a woman,I speak with a voice like a woman & I believe being a woman is my identity in life. I'm quite simply not a man. I'm beginning to wonder if nowadays this is unusual 😂

There's XX(male), XXX, XXY, and XYY
What sex are those in your mind?

An XX male (de la Chapelle syndrome) has a SRY gene on one of his X chromosomes. Because of the presence of the SRY gene, his body follows the Wolffian sexual developmental pathway, developing male rather than female reproductive organs. His body is normally virilised by the testosterone produced by his testicles. He is male, unambiguously so.

A XXX female is a female who has a trisomy of the X chromosome. She's female, unambiguously so.

An XXY male has Klinfelter Syndrome. He's male. Might have a smaller penis and testicles than other men, is likely to be infertile, might have wider hips and gynaecomastia, but unambiguously male.

An XYY male is....male. Unambiguously so.

Only the first one was at all complicated to describe, and illustrates that in fact it's not really the Y chromosome that makes someone male but the SRY gene, but as that's almost always on the Y chromosome it makes very little difference in the definition in the vast, vast, vast majority of cases of DSDs which are already very, very, very rare.

DSDs don't show evidence of a third sex.

People with DSDs are still ALWAYS MALE OR FEMALE, they are not in-between, or a third or fourth sex, they are always male or female. Always.

Please tell me what Gender Identity is exactly and how a male can feel like a female? And why that allows them to get into female spaces?

Misogyny in a dress

That's okay, neither does anyone else.

This discussion has been rumbling on for around two decades in its current incarnation, and I've yet to see a cogent explanation.

Best I can tell it's believing in outdated stereotypes relating to sex.

Defining the society would be a start. Ancient Sparta ? Athens ? Egypt ?

Who remembers "The XYY Man" ?

Imagine if handedness was treated like gender. You'd have people bemoaning not having a penis to write with.

Thanks so much for putting this out. People's misunderstanding of DSDs is woeful, and the number of times I have seen TRAs use it as a gotcha is huge

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You're as incorrect as OP
Try reading some science
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780444632333000245