I do not believe in gender identity.

[SernieBanders]

There are two sexes: male and female. Occasionally, that matters.

There is no such thing as an innate gender identity—no internal essence that makes someone more inclined to wear dresses and sip wine, or football boots and down pints. Those are cultural stereotypes, not proof of some mystical gendered soul.

The idea of gender identity is sexist, misogynistic, and regressive. It reinforces outdated norms instead of challenging them. Women do not need an inner feeling of womanhood to be women. Men do not need a gender identity to be men. Sex is real. Stereotypes are not.

I hope with the flurry of cultural changes, legal challenges, scientific findings and executive orders in the last ~12 months, more people feel able to stand up and be counted, and say - No More.

I don't know what you're on about, there's nothing to "rise to". I just stated a fact.

For the hard of thinking, can you please restate your "fact"?

I agree with a PP who said they don't know where the multiple genders have come from. I don't believe in those. There have always been trans people, but they were one sex and wanted to be, or felt like they were, the other one. They were still operating within a binary of male and female.

But the PP said their son had been taught that there were 50 genders. Whaaaat? And JK Rowling, in one of her essays, said that there were innumerable genders. There really, really aren't. There are two, and there are trans people who want to be the other one from their bio gender.

I read about someone who identified as a "pan-demi-enby." 😂 Apparently this means pan-sexual, non-binary demi-girl. What on earth?? It's just complete gobbledegook.

We seem to have a never ending procession of band wagons which are so aggressively promoted that the majority have their lives disrupted to accommodate the minority, and this is one of them. Well said OP.

I DGAF whether people believe in Gender identity or not. It's like religion for me.

However, placing that above biological reality is an absurdity.

No thank you.

I can't bear ballet or high heels. Does that make me less of a woman?

No, I was just stating my own experience of gender.

Good question.

You could ask yourself how do YOU feel like a woman - that isn't anything to do with your female body? And how is this different to how a man might feel like a man that isn't anythig to do with his male body?

I've never come up with a good answer to this. I don't "feel" female - I simply am female. As are 51% of the worlds population. We matter.

Its vital to know gender ideology its MEANT to be confusing. Gender idology is designed to be confusing.

The confusion plus NO DEBATE, plus calling anyone who asks a question nazi/bigot/terf etc is how gender ideology beccame embedded in govt departments, BBC, NHS etc so very quickly and how men can now waltz into any womens space because he wants to.

Thankfully NO DEBATE is well and truly over now.

Women are pushing back. We want our women only spaces & will fight to protect them.

Woman = Adult Human Female. Anyone who says otherwise is deluded &/or lying.

From NHS England
"Gender identity is a way to describe a person’s innate sense of their own gender, whether male, female, or non-binary, which may not correspond to the sex registered at birth." (my emphasis) This is pretty much word for word the Stonewall definition, unsurprisingly.

From Advocates for Trans Equality (a US org)
"But some people's gender identity – their innate knowledge of who they are – is different from what was initially expected when they were born."

https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/data-collections-and-data-sets/data-sets/mental-health-services-data-set/submit-data/data-quality-of-protected-characteristics-and-other-vulnerable-groups/gender-identity

I wonder if it's easy to believe there's no such thing as gender identity if you happen to generally fit in with what people expect from your physical appearance? I find it hard to imagine what it's like to feel male - or female for that matter. I'm a woman, identify as female, and have never had to wrestle with feeling any other way. I can't imagine what would it be like to identify as male, and yet some people do - so I'm sure they believe there IS such a thing as 'gender identity '.

a man with a trans identiy is a man with a trans identity.

That is fine. We can accept that as a society. But he is and will always be a man and should use mens spaces.

Men need to make mens spaces safe for all men. Why ashn't this been the focus of the TRA's from the beginning? They would be making much more prgress if they stop trying to bully women into submission and start focusing on getting men to accept ALL men.

As long as they stay out of womens spaces and stop trying to include women and girls in their fetish without our consent IDGAF.

> There are two sexes: male and female
So you think there's just XY and XX?
You're wrong
There's XX(male), XXX, XXY, and XYY
What sex are those in your mind?

> There is no such thing as an innate gender identity
That's just incorrect
We know now that the brain has a gender identity that in the vast majority of cases matches the bodies, but in some people it does not

How we deal with those people is a matter of 'belief'
Their existence is not

I'm genuinly curious - how do you "identitfy as female"?

Some people believe the earth is flat and they can speak to ghosts.

"What sex are those in your mind?"

People with DSD's are all still either male of female. Something has happened on their developmental pathways so they develop differently - that is all. Theya re still a boy/man with a DSD or a girl/woman with a DSD.

If someone has a developmental issue and are born with one or no legs, it doesn't mean humans aren't bipedal. It simply means something has gone wrong along their development pathways inutero.

I don’t really understand why the things you like are your experience of gender and not a part of personality? I have twin girls one who loves all things pink and glittery. The other is not a pink fan atall. They are both girls, their likes or dislikes have no bearing on their sex/ gender. It’s just who they are as people surely?

Surely that's what the entire transgender movement is built on? Males know they're women because of some innate gender identity. Non-binary people know they aren't men or women.

What has the existance of people with DSD's got to do with gender ideology?

I don’t know. It would have been 1964-66. Also I may not have given the best example.

That's exactly it though. I am a woman and I don't like wine or ballet particularly along with 'gallstoned'. So I don't think you can gender those likes/dislikes so simply. You may need to dig a little deeper to understand your strong gender identification..

I think though that this is not a ‘experience of gender’. It is personal preference that simply aligns with current societal norms that are associated with being female? Feeling ‘feminine’ in your preferences isn’t a gender identity, it is personality-based proclivity for things western society currently deems to be more ‘girlie’?

I like make-up, my dyson airwrap, some traditionally feminine pursuits and love fashion - especially since dropping a mass of post-menopausal weight - but I don’t wake up and proclaim to the world, or even internally - ‘I am woman’. I just am a biological female, one who birthed 2 children, miscarried 5, been through the change and other events which are specific to the female experience. All of them shaped me but do not define me. So I’d describe myself as a woman, a fairly feminine one, but I don’t ‘identify’ as such. If I did identify as anything, it is more likely to be as a British mum of two ND/ASD/ADHD teens, who loves music and theatre, a writer and post-grad student, a doggy parent [that offends many, esp here on MN), a SAHP, a married person in a 30+yr relationship. I don’t even ‘identify’ as ND - I just am.

I agree, OP. Just look at that Bud Light Freak. He wasn't even cod playing a woman. He was cos playing a little girl which is so disturbing.

Thank you.

But you gave the examples of liking ballet to you feeling deeply feminine.

I hate ballet but I love sport does that me less feminine that you?