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To ask Trump supporters how they defend this?

237 replies

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 14:18

To be blunt, I don't understand how anyone can stand this guy. Nothing on earth would convince me to vote for him (I'm American), but he seems to have a surprising level of support on here. Over 60 people died, including a sickening number of children.

How is this ok?

“I have a plan to visit, not the site. Because you tell me, what’s the site? The water? You want me to go swimming?” Donald Trump responded during a White House press briefing on Thursday. The latest tragic mishap marks the deadliest US air disaster in two decades.

All 67 passengers feared dead in Washington DC plane crash, 28 bodies recovered from river — 10 things to know | Today News

Washington DC Plane Crash: Multiple bodies have been recovered from the Potomac River following a collision between a passenger jet and a military helicopter. At least 28 bodies were found, with 60 passengers onboard the jet, including figure skaters r...

https://www.livemint.com/news/us-news/washington-dc-plane-crash-30-bodies-recovered-from-river-russian-skating-couple-among-victims-10-things-to-know-11738231200746.html

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Purplebunnie · 31/01/2025 15:38

I think he's a very dangerous man. How he has conned a lot of people into voting for him is terrifying. I just don't know how the next 4 years are going to go. Ultimately what he does has an affect on a lot of people who don't live in America. I have sympathy for those who didn't vote for him and those who are going to suffer under his regime

Edited for spelling, it's not going well today

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 15:38

Locutus2000 · 31/01/2025 15:35

Also the fact he blamed the accident on “diversity and inclusion policies” brought in by Obama and Biden.

That's the problem here, not the swimming distraction.

Oh, I agree that's the larger problem, but I already understand the position of people who agree with him on that as that's a part of the mindset or world view that will have justified their support.

I'm more curious about how someone can justify this particular statement as it's not partisan, just personality-based, I guess.

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snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 15:38

Valeriekat · 31/01/2025 15:36

Not another Trump thread!

Scroll on by

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derxa · 31/01/2025 15:39

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 15:33

Because it's not unusual for US presidents to visit disaster sites and console victims and their families and this one is about a mile from the White House. I don't know that the question meant right at this very instant. I don't think anyone was expecting him to pull victims out of the river.

And, if he didn't think it was the time, I would expect someone in his position to say something along the lines of, 'I don't think it would be appropriate for me to be there while the recovery operation is still ongoing but my heart goes out to the victims and their families and I will be there as soon as the moment is right.'

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What would be the point of going there. Everyone is busy and there are no grieving people to comfort.

Locutus2000 · 31/01/2025 15:40

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 15:38

Oh, I agree that's the larger problem, but I already understand the position of people who agree with him on that as that's a part of the mindset or world view that will have justified their support.

I'm more curious about how someone can justify this particular statement as it's not partisan, just personality-based, I guess.

I'm more curious about how someone can justify this particular statement as it's not partisan, just personality-based, I guess.

I hear you, but anyone who supports Trump at this point is fully on board with his personality, and the multitude of far more offensive things he has said. There's no discussion to be had with them.

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 15:40

derxa · 31/01/2025 15:39

What would be the point of going there. Everyone is busy and there are no grieving people to comfort.

It's not about him going there, although there are relatives (waiting for the bodies of their loved ones) to comfort. It's about the literal words that came out of his mouth. Do you think they're appropriate for the situation?

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Notonthestairs · 31/01/2025 15:41

Fairly standard for political leaders and/or heads of departments to visit the site of tragedies.

They thank emergency services and meet with families.

Generally pay respect.

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/06/biden-visits-new-orleans-after-truck-driver-kills-14/

obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2016/06/12/president-obama-tragic-shooting-orlando

Locutus2000 · 31/01/2025 15:41

Purplebunnie · 31/01/2025 15:38

I think he's a very dangerous man. How he has conned a lot of people into voting for him is terrifying. I just don't know how the next 4 years are going to go. Ultimately what he does has an affect on a lot of people who don't live in America. I have sympathy for those who didn't vote for him and those who are going to suffer under his regime

Edited for spelling, it's not going well today

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Edited for spelling, it's not going well today

Honestly, it's not going well for 2025.

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 15:42

Locutus2000 · 31/01/2025 15:41

Edited for spelling, it's not going well today

Honestly, it's not going well for 2025.

That's the first post on this thread that's made me laugh. Agree completely.

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Naunet · 31/01/2025 15:43

Surely you'd be better off posting this on a US website, he's not our president, we don't owe you an explanation as we didn't vote for him!

ShredHead · 31/01/2025 15:43

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 15:30

@ShredHead

I get that, but how do you feel about this statement? Is there a context for defending it?

I never heard him say that, but was listening to some of him speaking to the press. My thoughts were that he does go off on a tangent. That's his style. But I generally agree with his points if not his delivery.

I thought he was doing well until he said about the probable cause being dei related.

I thought it was poor form and disrespectful to start the political rhetoric so soon, as the poor relatives, friends, and emergency workers etc, will still be reeling from the horrible tragedy.

On the flip side of that though, is the thought that he knows more than he is saying at this point, and further information will be revealed.

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 15:43

Locutus2000 · 31/01/2025 15:40

I'm more curious about how someone can justify this particular statement as it's not partisan, just personality-based, I guess.

I hear you, but anyone who supports Trump at this point is fully on board with his personality, and the multitude of far more offensive things he has said. There's no discussion to be had with them.

You're probably right. I'm really trying to dig down and figure out whether, if someone I supported said that, I would find a way to justify it.

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derxa · 31/01/2025 15:43

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 15:40

It's not about him going there, although there are relatives (waiting for the bodies of their loved ones) to comfort. It's about the literal words that came out of his mouth. Do you think they're appropriate for the situation?

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No

Coffeeishot · 31/01/2025 15:44

derxa · 31/01/2025 15:31

I don’t support Trump and think his handling of this tragedy has been terrible. However why on earth would he go to site of the crash. Bodies are still being recovered from the river.

To see what is happening to "oversee" the victims being respected to feed back to his country how recovery and investigation is going on, to thank rescue teams , to speak to aviation experts so he say lessons learned. This is just off the top of my head.

Notonthestairs · 31/01/2025 15:44

A more understandable/statesmanlike response would have been to say that " I will visit at a time convenient to emergency services." etc.
it's really not difficult to give an appropriate response.

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 15:45

ShredHead · 31/01/2025 15:43

I never heard him say that, but was listening to some of him speaking to the press. My thoughts were that he does go off on a tangent. That's his style. But I generally agree with his points if not his delivery.

I thought he was doing well until he said about the probable cause being dei related.

I thought it was poor form and disrespectful to start the political rhetoric so soon, as the poor relatives, friends, and emergency workers etc, will still be reeling from the horrible tragedy.

On the flip side of that though, is the thought that he knows more than he is saying at this point, and further information will be revealed.

But he did literally say that, do you think it's ok (and I get that you're not a supporter)? I just found the lack of empathy staggering, even after years and years of listening to him.

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Deetelves · 31/01/2025 15:47

He’s a self absorbed, narcissistic arse.
Nothing he says would surprise me anymore - was it a ‘joke’? If so a really shitty time to be making a joke.
You’re the president for fucks sake. It’s not even that far from the White House, go and show some respect, you orange face fuck-wit.
Or perhaps he’s off to play golf this weekend and can’t be bothered. Or maybe he has some more crackpot executive orders firing 1000s of people for no apparent reason to sign?

derxa · 31/01/2025 15:49

Coffeeishot · 31/01/2025 15:44

To see what is happening to "oversee" the victims being respected to feed back to his country how recovery and investigation is going on, to thank rescue teams , to speak to aviation experts so he say lessons learned. This is just off the top of my head.

He would be standing on a river bank making a nuisance of himself. Why would you want that?

EmeraldShamrock000 · 31/01/2025 15:50

He was rude, obnoxious, and disgusting but he always is.

I doubt anyone agrees with him or any previous president 💯.

He is tackling issues that people do care about, while being an arrogant insensitive meat head.

Horrendous tragedy for all involved in the crash. 😢

I don't think anyone should defend his reaction to the tragedy.

ruethewhirl · 31/01/2025 15:50

icelolly12 · 31/01/2025 14:36

His "joke" about swimming. You don't think that might be at all insensitive to the family and loved ones of the deceased?

I can only hope you're being sarcastic.

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This! Bloody hell. He simply doesn't care.

Notonthestairs · 31/01/2025 15:51

He's not going to go now.
He should go when the emergency services deem it appropriate.
Which is exactly what he should have articulated.

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 15:54

I honestly feel that all the presidents I can think of in my lifetime, even those I've disagreed with, disliked, not voted for, would a. not have made an insensitive joke and b. already have paid a visit the room that's been set up for the families.

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saltinesandcoffeecups · 31/01/2025 15:54
scream anger GIF by Libby VanderPloeg

I feel like I’m just going to save this response for every Trump thread started for the next 4 years… PROTIP… you may want to moderate your outrage. You’ve got a long way to go until the next election. Would hate for there to be a bigger oUTraGE!! next week and you’ve used it all up here.

OP: OMG WTF How can you defend/support/agree with fill in the blank
Poster: OMG you’re right
OP: I know!
Poster; I do agree because fill in the blank
OP: OMG WTF you’re wrong!

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 15:56

@saltinesandcoffeecups

No, I have plenty of outrage left, but thanks.

Repeatedly posting that migraine-inducing graphic is bound to make you very beloved.

Do you want to answer the question or are you just another poster dropping by to share your superior wisdom?

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Coffeeishot · 31/01/2025 15:57

derxa · 31/01/2025 15:49

He would be standing on a river bank making a nuisance of himself. Why would you want that?

Oh of course he wouldn't be making a nuisance of himself , but you asked why he would go and I gave some ideas why he would go but you just said he isn't capable for his job 🤔 I'm not trying to trip you up but he Is president and presidents usually make visits to these sorts of things without making a nuisance of themselves but I suppose he can't give a half decent response so maybe you have the measure of him better than me.