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124 replies

Raspberryrippleflavour · 28/01/2025 21:54

Found this article on grooming gangs. I was certain there would be outrage on Mumsnet because of all the recent posts on grooming gangs so imagine my shock when there are no comments at all condemning the perpetrators in this shocking story. Could it be because they are white and some people are only interested in protecting children if the perpetrators are from an ethnic minority?

It was one of the top stories on the BBC too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vpzvk139xo

Police mugshots of (clockwise, from the centre): Iain Owens, Elaine Lannery, Scott Forbes, Paul Brannan, Lesley Williams, Barry Watson and John Clark

Child sex abuse victims in Glasgow 'failed', says minister

The Scottish government insists it is working to ensure "nothing like this ever happens again" after abuse gang is jailed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vpzvk139xo

OP posts:
Newmumhere40 · 29/01/2025 07:48

Raspberryrippleflavour · 28/01/2025 21:54

Found this article on grooming gangs. I was certain there would be outrage on Mumsnet because of all the recent posts on grooming gangs so imagine my shock when there are no comments at all condemning the perpetrators in this shocking story. Could it be because they are white and some people are only interested in protecting children if the perpetrators are from an ethnic minority?

It was one of the top stories on the BBC too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vpzvk139xo

Oh fuck off.

oakleaffy · 29/01/2025 07:54

What a bunch of ugloids.

The evil they perpetrate is etched on their faces.

Newfoundzestforlife · 29/01/2025 07:56

Raspberryrippleflavour · 28/01/2025 21:54

Found this article on grooming gangs. I was certain there would be outrage on Mumsnet because of all the recent posts on grooming gangs so imagine my shock when there are no comments at all condemning the perpetrators in this shocking story. Could it be because they are white and some people are only interested in protecting children if the perpetrators are from an ethnic minority?

It was one of the top stories on the BBC too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vpzvk139xo

Stop race baiting.

Adamante · 29/01/2025 07:57

lifeturnsonadime · 28/01/2025 22:06

First time I've seen this and yes it's disgusting that any group of people should join together to sexually abuse and rape children. But if you are comparing this to Rotherham I don't think there was any coverup to avoid allegations of racism because the perpetrators were Pakistani Muslims.

So you are somewhat missing the point.

This. Absolutely horrendous case as all CSA cases are. However it's a small scale and doesn't capture the attention in the same way that large scale, organised rape and abuse, potentially based in cultural beliefs, with subsequent intensive cover up by senior politicians does. I'm pretty sure that had the Muslim Rape Gangs been White Rape Gangs of children of a different ethnicity done on the same scale, with the same cover ups, then the country would be up in arms in exactly the same way. Probably more so given that almost no one gives a shit about Working Class Girls from troubled backgrounds.

TheyAreNotAngelsTheyDontCareAtAll · 29/01/2025 07:57

Scammersarescum · 28/01/2025 23:08

What's disgusting is your post @Raspberryrippleflavour

These paedophiles have horrifically raped and abused children. That should be the focus, the damage done to children. To their bodies, to their minds, to their futures. To children. Who were raped and defiled. Over and over.

Instead you have chosen to use those very children. You have used their suffering for your own political ends. To further your agenda that those concerned and frightened by both the actions of asian grooming gangs and the lack of action that authorities took because of the religion and ethnicity of those grooming gangs must be rascist.

Well they're not and they are right to be concerned about the industrial scale of the abuse.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kv2nvj1eo.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-47388060.amp

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/24282896.25-men-jailed-346-years-abhorrent-sex-offences/

They're right to be concerned that there was a time when it was absolutely commonplace to see middle aged taxi drivers parked up outside of a school local to me, trying to coax young girls into their cabs. People like Ann Cryer tried to the lift the lid on this insidious abuse and point out that political correctness had gone too far when we couldn't tackle the rape of children because the perpetrators happened to be brown and Muslim. She was branded a racist by people like you. The rape of children continued because of people that would rather yell rascist than protect kids.

These links are just from the first page of Google if you put in bradford grooming gangs. Feel free to Google Rochdale grooming gangs, or Yorkshire groomjng gangs for a further plethora of results. The list goes on and on.

Just because you don't actually give a damn about these kids doesnt mean the people that do care hadn't seen this news from Scotland previously.. just because you weren't paying attention it doesn't mean others weren't.

Up you hop onto your moral high horse. You probably think because you vote Labour you're some sort of special moral arbiter, some social justicd warrior. Well you're not. You're pushing people with completely genuine concerns into the arms of the far right.

Shame on you for using those kids who have already been so hideously used. Shame on you for trying to silence those who are trying to discuss this incredibly serious issue. Shame on you for implying that women in Mumsnet are rascist for caring about children and the damage done to them.

Shame on you OP.

Now off you go back to Reddit or 4chan where you belong.

And finally to put the focus back where it should be, with the children who were victimised. Here's a link to a survivor story on the BBC

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-68300484.amp

Be warned its a tough read. This 12 year old was taken into rooms filled with 30 to 40 men who all abused her, but her story deserves to be heard despite the attempts of people like OP trying to bury this scandal for the second time.

What a nasty post

oakleaffy · 29/01/2025 07:58

BigSilly · 28/01/2025 23:40

2 of them are women!!

Gross.

Well Ghislaine Maxwell is a woman, too...A much better looking higher class one but just as dangerous in ensnaring young vulnerable girls.

JustAskingThisQ · 29/01/2025 07:59

It can really depend on where you get your news and things like your cookies and algorithm. I have someone close to me who is worried about all of this stuff and any time something happens, they're immediately alerted to it by Google. For instance, recently there was a gang of predominately Somali men done for grooming in the West country. He heard all about the young girl recently who was killed by her father, stepmother and uncle(s). He probably knows every case where someone was subject to honour violence and are from a Muslim background.

But he was never privy to the stories of white children that have been killed because they don't "pop up". He really believed that it hasn't really happened for a while. I also showed him that young boy who is a double amputee after abuse. He'd never heard of him! He was shocked by the lesbian couple, too.

Has he stopped worrying excessively about Muslims? No, but he has a greater awareness that child abuse occurs regardless of race or religion. He's accepted that he's being shown some things but not others, and that's because of how he uses the Internet.

Americano75 · 29/01/2025 08:00

It's been a massive story up here. It might have had more attention had it been in England though.

JessiesJ99 · 29/01/2025 08:01

TheyAreNotAngelsTheyDontCareAtAll · 29/01/2025 07:57

What a nasty post

I think this post is spot on!!!

Nothing nasty about it whatsoever. She's just telling the OP straight and saying what most people are thinking.

oakleaffy · 29/01/2025 08:02

JustAskingThisQ · 29/01/2025 07:59

It can really depend on where you get your news and things like your cookies and algorithm. I have someone close to me who is worried about all of this stuff and any time something happens, they're immediately alerted to it by Google. For instance, recently there was a gang of predominately Somali men done for grooming in the West country. He heard all about the young girl recently who was killed by her father, stepmother and uncle(s). He probably knows every case where someone was subject to honour violence and are from a Muslim background.

But he was never privy to the stories of white children that have been killed because they don't "pop up". He really believed that it hasn't really happened for a while. I also showed him that young boy who is a double amputee after abuse. He'd never heard of him! He was shocked by the lesbian couple, too.

Has he stopped worrying excessively about Muslims? No, but he has a greater awareness that child abuse occurs regardless of race or religion. He's accepted that he's being shown some things but not others, and that's because of how he uses the Internet.

Having a really good adblocker and tracker blocker stops all this kind of stuff.
Well worth the £19 a year it costs for a peaceful browsing experience.

CherryVanillaPie · 29/01/2025 08:02

Stormwhatnow · 29/01/2025 07:33

A little girl was murder by her dad in Scotland this week. Also not on MN because Scottish news never is.
I think it's appalling you are trying to use the suffering of young DC to make a political point.
Congratulations you've found a story on more abused children and no mention of their suffering just trying to prove a point that what MN is anti Muslim? Muslim men are over represented when it comes to child abuse gangs in the UK, that is just a fact. They generally only abuse white children too. Good try with your look over there nonsense.

A little girl was murder by her dad in Scotland this week. Also not on MN because Scottish news never is.

If Scottish people don't want to start threads on Scottish news it's up to them I guess.

MrsPeregrine · 29/01/2025 08:03

I’ve seen lots about this in the news actually.

WhatTheFudges · 29/01/2025 08:07

As if the majority of the nation would be ok with this because they’re white. No one condones sexual child abuse. You’re trying to make this a race issue when it’s not. You’re disgusting to try and make this about something else and exploit the fact these children were abused by white people, to fit your agenda. Shame on you.

Upstartled · 29/01/2025 08:10

Are some of you really too myopic to see that the difference that provokes outrage is the response to the crime?

Yes, these monsters are repugnant. People who rape and terrorise children are repugnant. These are the worst kind of humans and my heart breaks for the trauma that these children have been subjected to and will carry throughout their lives.

If we come to find that these crimes were known about and ignored, that the apparatus of safe guarding failed then that's when people are outraged. Do you, or does anybody else have any evidence of this?

Barrenfieldoffucks · 29/01/2025 08:11

lifeturnsonadime · 28/01/2025 22:06

First time I've seen this and yes it's disgusting that any group of people should join together to sexually abuse and rape children. But if you are comparing this to Rotherham I don't think there was any coverup to avoid allegations of racism because the perpetrators were Pakistani Muslims.

So you are somewhat missing the point.

Indeed. I think the scale is somewhat different too isn't it?

Barrenfieldoffucks · 29/01/2025 08:12

Scammersarescum · 28/01/2025 23:08

What's disgusting is your post @Raspberryrippleflavour

These paedophiles have horrifically raped and abused children. That should be the focus, the damage done to children. To their bodies, to their minds, to their futures. To children. Who were raped and defiled. Over and over.

Instead you have chosen to use those very children. You have used their suffering for your own political ends. To further your agenda that those concerned and frightened by both the actions of asian grooming gangs and the lack of action that authorities took because of the religion and ethnicity of those grooming gangs must be rascist.

Well they're not and they are right to be concerned about the industrial scale of the abuse.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kv2nvj1eo.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-47388060.amp

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/24282896.25-men-jailed-346-years-abhorrent-sex-offences/

They're right to be concerned that there was a time when it was absolutely commonplace to see middle aged taxi drivers parked up outside of a school local to me, trying to coax young girls into their cabs. People like Ann Cryer tried to the lift the lid on this insidious abuse and point out that political correctness had gone too far when we couldn't tackle the rape of children because the perpetrators happened to be brown and Muslim. She was branded a racist by people like you. The rape of children continued because of people that would rather yell rascist than protect kids.

These links are just from the first page of Google if you put in bradford grooming gangs. Feel free to Google Rochdale grooming gangs, or Yorkshire groomjng gangs for a further plethora of results. The list goes on and on.

Just because you don't actually give a damn about these kids doesnt mean the people that do care hadn't seen this news from Scotland previously.. just because you weren't paying attention it doesn't mean others weren't.

Up you hop onto your moral high horse. You probably think because you vote Labour you're some sort of special moral arbiter, some social justicd warrior. Well you're not. You're pushing people with completely genuine concerns into the arms of the far right.

Shame on you for using those kids who have already been so hideously used. Shame on you for trying to silence those who are trying to discuss this incredibly serious issue. Shame on you for implying that women in Mumsnet are rascist for caring about children and the damage done to them.

Shame on you OP.

Now off you go back to Reddit or 4chan where you belong.

And finally to put the focus back where it should be, with the children who were victimised. Here's a link to a survivor story on the BBC

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-68300484.amp

Be warned its a tough read. This 12 year old was taken into rooms filled with 30 to 40 men who all abused her, but her story deserves to be heard despite the attempts of people like OP trying to bury this scandal for the second time.

Hear hear. 👏👏

askmenow · 29/01/2025 08:17

I’m truly shocked at the total lack of ongoing outrage by the MNetters on here given it’s known the tortuous rape of white children is still going on in at least 50 towns around Britain.

It’s just as tho you want it all to go away…. until one day your daughters are hoovered up outside the school gates and plied with pressies, drink and drugs and taken on a trip to be raped by 40 men! “
There but for the grace of God” and all that….

It will not stop unless we constantly call it out and keep shining a light in the darkest corners of those evil misogynistic Islamic enclaves/societies.

If convicted, those abusive swine come out of prison and are reabsorbed back into their enclaves/familes with no admonition for the crimes they have committed, as tho it never happened.
They carry on as normal reintegrating in their communities when our poor children’s lives, minds and bodies have been torn apart, permanently damaged.

Where do we see their own people calling them out?

Where is the outrage from their community elders/ wives/daughters/ Imans ?

…..AND by % of population, the white perps are vastly outnumbered by rape gangs of Pakistani, Bangladeshi men.

It’s an inconvenient truth so MSM try to skew the facts. We are being gaslit by our Government and media.

Women need to keep this in the headlines because we need a national enquiry to call to task all those institutions that are, and have been, failing our children. We need to hold those peoples feet to the fire.

Sackings and imprisonment of those that turned a blind eye should ensue to give our children justice.

Perps of dual nationality need to be deported and stripped of their British citizenship.

But of course….two tier/farmer harmer Starmer and MSN will want this all conveniently brushed under the carpet because of the 50 named towns, all bar 2 are labour run councils. 🤮

We need to keep this in the forefront of conversation. It shames our nation

JustAskingThisQ · 29/01/2025 08:22

The other thing that I find ironic is that the mostly girls who are victims in places like Rotherham are so vulnerable because they're essentially from some of the poorest backgrounds in Britain. The people who are most outraged about Rotherham, don't vote in favour of ensuring places with such high deprivation stop existing. They'll be going on about the dangerous Muslim rapists in one conversation, while benefits bashing in another.

If you don't want there to be people so valuable that they go off with strange men who can get them new trainers, then you need to vote for a society with better welfare provisions and state funding.

ExercicenformedeZ · 29/01/2025 08:23

JustAskingThisQ · 29/01/2025 08:22

The other thing that I find ironic is that the mostly girls who are victims in places like Rotherham are so vulnerable because they're essentially from some of the poorest backgrounds in Britain. The people who are most outraged about Rotherham, don't vote in favour of ensuring places with such high deprivation stop existing. They'll be going on about the dangerous Muslim rapists in one conversation, while benefits bashing in another.

If you don't want there to be people so valuable that they go off with strange men who can get them new trainers, then you need to vote for a society with better welfare provisions and state funding.

OMG, that is such a great point!

Curtainqueen · 29/01/2025 08:26

I think it is because we just aren't used to stories like this in the headlines where the perpetrators are not predominantly brown people, so when a predominantly white grooming gang hits the headlines we just don't know where to file it in our tiny minds because well, it's only brown people wot do this innit? 🙄

JustAskingThisQ · 29/01/2025 08:29

ExercicenformedeZ · 29/01/2025 08:23

OMG, that is such a great point!

Thanks, I meant vulnerable not valuable at the end though..I want people to be valuable!

Moonlightstars · 29/01/2025 08:33

floppybit · 28/01/2025 22:20

You are completely missing the point, the crimes of these people were not allowed to continue and go unchallenged because nobody wanted to be labelled racist. These people are scum, all people who abuse children are scum, and it should never be covered up or tolerated regardless of who does it.

I think you are missing the point. If you think white people don't cover up such a heinous crimes I suggest you do a tiny bit of research into the Catholic church or, the church of England. Both of whom are predominantly white in this country and are carrying on covering up centuries of vile coordinated abuse.

Moonlightstars · 29/01/2025 08:37

askmenow · 29/01/2025 08:17

I’m truly shocked at the total lack of ongoing outrage by the MNetters on here given it’s known the tortuous rape of white children is still going on in at least 50 towns around Britain.

It’s just as tho you want it all to go away…. until one day your daughters are hoovered up outside the school gates and plied with pressies, drink and drugs and taken on a trip to be raped by 40 men! “
There but for the grace of God” and all that….

It will not stop unless we constantly call it out and keep shining a light in the darkest corners of those evil misogynistic Islamic enclaves/societies.

If convicted, those abusive swine come out of prison and are reabsorbed back into their enclaves/familes with no admonition for the crimes they have committed, as tho it never happened.
They carry on as normal reintegrating in their communities when our poor children’s lives, minds and bodies have been torn apart, permanently damaged.

Where do we see their own people calling them out?

Where is the outrage from their community elders/ wives/daughters/ Imans ?

…..AND by % of population, the white perps are vastly outnumbered by rape gangs of Pakistani, Bangladeshi men.

It’s an inconvenient truth so MSM try to skew the facts. We are being gaslit by our Government and media.

Women need to keep this in the headlines because we need a national enquiry to call to task all those institutions that are, and have been, failing our children. We need to hold those peoples feet to the fire.

Sackings and imprisonment of those that turned a blind eye should ensue to give our children justice.

Perps of dual nationality need to be deported and stripped of their British citizenship.

But of course….two tier/farmer harmer Starmer and MSN will want this all conveniently brushed under the carpet because of the 50 named towns, all bar 2 are labour run councils. 🤮

We need to keep this in the forefront of conversation. It shames our nation

Where is the outrage that sexual abuse has happened and has been systematically ignored and covered up by
The church of England
The Catholic church
Most boarding schools
Most children's homes
Many scouts and guides groups

The abuse of the girls and women by predominantly Asian men is absolutely vile and needs to be fully investigated whilst it is also being addressed but don't ignore all the other awful abuse that has been allowed to happen for centuries.

VisitationRights · 29/01/2025 08:37

There was no attempt by local council to coverup the crimes or protect the suspects in the name of social cohesion. That’s the difference.

I have seen this story reported many times on MSM and on SM this week, mostly all saying the same thing, they are disgusting and got the sentences they deserve.