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To think Princess Di was killed

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Lavenderfarmcottage · 28/01/2025 15:35

There OK I said it. You hoo, crazy conspiracy theorist over here…

Yes, I know they had an inquiry though anyone high up enough to kill a Royal could snowball an Inquiry or influence the outcome ? I think it’s naive to think the law is this perfect thing.

Ive always found it odd that she was labelled a “loose cannon” by the press and was campaigning against landmines. It was said that it caused a lot of noses out of joint in politics. I would have thought that weapons dealers and the industry would have taken a huge hit.

There aren’t many celebrities or organisations that could have taken on the weapons or arms industry as powerfully as Diana. It was until then an issue that nobody touched.

Since her death there’s still landmines and the issue has never really been addressed.

I wonder if she’d been alive today what she’d be doing. Not hard to imagine her visiting children impacted by war and maybe even Palestinian refugees, beaming images around the world to restore some sanity and humanity.

I dont think we realise the humanity, bravery and brilliance she had. Could have been going to glamorous events and being a Princess but instead she was carrying on even when powerful people were upset.

I wonder how powerful those people were or was it someone British. Men don’t take a liking to women with power and it amazes me more that she wasn’t killed deliberately in the context of this.

What are the chances she would die at such a young age and to not be wearing a seat belt seems bizarre to me. Just too many coincidences.

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Phthia · 28/01/2025 16:35

Lavenderfarmcottage · 28/01/2025 15:52

I think she absolutely would be, she was the OG princess and she would have worn THE best couture outfits for the coronation - just at different, more fun events on at the same time.

Your memory is short. By the time of her death, she was distinctly going out of favour and the press was printing quite a lot of snarky stuff about her laziness, desperation for publicity, freeloading, succession of dodgy boyfriends etc etc. They notoriously had to do a quick clean-up job the day she died because early editions still had some critical stuff about her.

If she hadn't died, that process would have continued, and she would have become increasingly irrelevant - especially once Charles was happily married to Camilla. If she'd tried to steal attention at the time of the coronation, the best she could have achieved would be to be laughed at, but I would hope that, if only for William's sake, she would have kept a dignified distance.

TheaBrandt · 28/01/2025 16:36

Absolute nonsense read a book by the man that did her autopsy and he was adamant it was a terrible accident.

YeGodsandLittleFishies · 28/01/2025 16:36

With respect you seem to remember her through the eyes of a little girl who thought her pretty with lovely clothes.

That’s true but it’s not how adults at the time viewed her behaviour in the last few years of her life.

She wasn’t “beloved” in the U.K. until she died.
She wasn’t considered a saint. She wasn’t that powerful.

If she was alive today she might well be a 65 year old woman with poor judgement, mental health issues and a complicated relationship with her children.

Perhaps she’d have resolved her numerous issues and settled down quietly but it wasn’t really her way.

However her life turned out she wouldn't still be the beautiful, glamorous woman we see in the pictures.

Americano75 · 28/01/2025 16:37

Floralnomad · 28/01/2025 16:33

People who drink all the time can become immune to it . My alcoholic grandmother could drink enough to knock out the average horse and she would still behave perfectly normally and show no signs of being drunk . I actually doubt she was ever actually sober .

Yeah, that's what is the likely explanation. I've known plenty of raging alcoholics and some have been the same, where you wouldn't know how much they'd put away, but there would always be a tell.

Doloresparton · 28/01/2025 16:37

QuimCarrey · 28/01/2025 16:21

Mmm that one might've got awkward.

No.
Al Fayed presented a totally different front with Diana.
He kept his predatory ways under wraps in upper class company.

ExercicenformedeZ · 28/01/2025 16:37

YABU and very silly as the previous posters have explained. Conspiracy theories are mostly utter bunk and the Diana one is no exception.

GirlOfThe70s · 28/01/2025 16:38

The only person in that car who survived - the bodyguard - was the only person wearing a seatbelt.
If she had been wearing one she might still be alive.
Plus the driver was drunk.

Lavenderfarmcottage · 28/01/2025 16:38

ARichtGoodDram · 28/01/2025 16:35

Indeed.

And if they could easily bump people off in France then how come the Duke and Duchess of Windsor lived to 77 and 89?

I suppose because none of them are single handedly capable of making a dent in the back pocket of arms dealers. Princess Diana just had to point at something and the world’s press was covering it. Not to mention the influence she had over philanthropy & elevating a cause.

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Crazycatlady79 · 28/01/2025 16:39

Lavenderfarmcottage · 28/01/2025 15:56

She wasn’t reckless, how could you say such a thing. There was nothing reckless about her lifestyle. She trusted the paid driver of her billionaire boyfriend.

Unless you were a personal friend, I imagine you don't know as much as you think about Diana Spencer.
The level of sycophancy and adulation still poured upon an incredibly privileged, white woman nigh on 30 years after her death has a cloying air of quasi-canonisation.

Cynic17 · 28/01/2025 16:39

Utterly ridiculous. It has been investigated to the nth degree. Sadly, it was the most mundane death possible... drunk driver & no seatbelt. And the only person who did wear a seatbelt actually survived.

Thornybush · 28/01/2025 16:39

I think so. Although I'd hate to believe that somebody could be cruel enough to take away W&H's beloved Mother.

Lavenderfarmcottage · 28/01/2025 16:39

Maybe someone broke the seat belts prior so that they didn’t function.

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IcedPurple · 28/01/2025 16:39

Superhansrantowindsor · 28/01/2025 16:32

If they were going to assassinate her they would have used a more reliable method. She could have survived the crash with a seat belt. Al Fayed led the narrative if murder. Recent events show what kind of person he was.

She was living in Kensington Palace, a royal property. Couldn't 'they' have found a more discreet and reliable way to get rid, should 'they' have been so inclined?

HowardTJMoon · 28/01/2025 16:40

Lavenderfarmcottage · 28/01/2025 16:15

I’m miserable and bored in my life right now is how.

No, it’s always one type of person that has to see everything on the surface. Nobody is allowed to ask questions or challenge everything because you need your neat little sensible story.

I find it too coincidental with the landmines. She’d basically stepped on the toes of some of the most powerful dangerous people in the world & impacted their $$

People are absolutely allowed to ask questions. And other people are allowed to answer them. You can't insist that the answers must support your incredibly weak conspiracy theories.

People die every day in vehicle accidents caused by drunk drivers. The driver of that car was drunk. He was known to have an alcohol problem. He was on medication for his alcohol problem. He had a flat full of booze. Witnesses saw him sticking away multiple shots of Paul Ricard on the night of the accident. He was driving too fast in a narrow tunnel and he was pissed. The paps undoubtedly played a part by chasing the car but they didn't deliberately cause a crash.

I know that grand conspiracy theories are more exciting than just "drunk driver crashes car", but it doesn't make it true.

adviceneeded1990 · 28/01/2025 16:40

Lavenderfarmcottage · 28/01/2025 15:56

She wasn’t reckless, how could you say such a thing. There was nothing reckless about her lifestyle. She trusted the paid driver of her billionaire boyfriend.

Getting in a car with a driver more than twice the drink drive limit and not wearing a seatbelt is pretty reckless by most peoples standards?

adviceneeded1990 · 28/01/2025 16:41

Lavenderfarmcottage · 28/01/2025 16:39

Maybe someone broke the seat belts prior so that they didn’t function.

All except the one worn by the surviving bodyguard? 🤔

Thindog · 28/01/2025 16:41

It's very strange that a doctor happened to be first on the scene, and that the ambulance took so long to get her to the hospital. It's very strange that her second son looks like the lover she had before he was born.
In fact the whole of the monarchy is very strange. .

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 28/01/2025 16:42

but as she would not have been a working royal, she would not be doing some of the things you think in the Op.

More than likely she would have remarried.

MarkingBad · 28/01/2025 16:43

If I remember rightly the press and public were pretty scathing of her shortly before her death except the landmines charity. It was only after she died that they made her a media and public saint.

Like starving artists, their work is only deemed relevant or worthy after they die. We have a terrible death cult in our media and public perception.

Personally if you are going to assassinate someone there are quicker, cleaner, easier, and less suspicious ways to do it than this. I think it was an accident.

IcedPurple · 28/01/2025 16:43

adviceneeded1990 · 28/01/2025 16:41

All except the one worn by the surviving bodyguard? 🤔

Hasn't it since emerged that he wasn't wearing a seat belt either?

I think the usual practice is for bodyguards not to wear them, so that they can respond more quickly to any incident.

But yeah, the idea that the seat belts had been tampered with is silly. As I said above, Henri Paul wasn't even a professional driver so I'm not even sure that they were travelling in the care they would have been expected to be in.

Sometimes tragic accidents are just tragic accidents.

Americano75 · 28/01/2025 16:44

Thindog · 28/01/2025 16:41

It's very strange that a doctor happened to be first on the scene, and that the ambulance took so long to get her to the hospital. It's very strange that her second son looks like the lover she had before he was born.
In fact the whole of the monarchy is very strange. .

I think the ambulance one is explained by the fact that French ambulances are far better equipped and staffed, and stopped on the way to hospital at least once because she needed resuscitation?

Boomer55 · 28/01/2025 16:44

Old history. 🙄

Adamante · 28/01/2025 16:45

I can see why this could be argued, they say that all conspiracy theories have a nugget of truth in there somewhere but I think she was just really unlucky and got into a car with a drunk driver and no seatbelt and that’s it. She would have survived if she’d been wearing a seat belt, that’s the only thing I find strange, back seat belts were routine then, why wouldn’t she have been wearing it? Very sad all round. I was camping in a caravan in Cornwall and we went to the site shop to buy a paper and some breakfast stuff, the headline on the paper said Dodi was dead and she had some injuries. By the time we got to the checkout the radio announced she was dead. Utter shock.

BMW6 · 28/01/2025 16:46

The Mitchell & Webb skit upthread is brilliantly incisive and funny as fuck 😂

HowardTJMoon · 28/01/2025 16:46

Thindog · 28/01/2025 16:41

It's very strange that a doctor happened to be first on the scene, and that the ambulance took so long to get her to the hospital. It's very strange that her second son looks like the lover she had before he was born.
In fact the whole of the monarchy is very strange. .

It's not at all strange that the paramedics took time to try to stabilise her before transporting her to hospital. It was (and still is) standard procedure.

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