To think Princess Di was killed

[Lavenderfarmcottage]

There OK I said it. You hoo, crazy conspiracy theorist over here…

Yes, I know they had an inquiry though anyone high up enough to kill a Royal could snowball an Inquiry or influence the outcome ? I think it’s naive to think the law is this perfect thing.

Ive always found it odd that she was labelled a “loose cannon” by the press and was campaigning against landmines. It was said that it caused a lot of noses out of joint in politics. I would have thought that weapons dealers and the industry would have taken a huge hit.

There aren’t many celebrities or organisations that could have taken on the weapons or arms industry as powerfully as Diana. It was until then an issue that nobody touched.

Since her death there’s still landmines and the issue has never really been addressed.

I wonder if she’d been alive today what she’d be doing. Not hard to imagine her visiting children impacted by war and maybe even Palestinian refugees, beaming images around the world to restore some sanity and humanity.

I dont think we realise the humanity, bravery and brilliance she had. Could have been going to glamorous events and being a Princess but instead she was carrying on even when powerful people were upset.

I wonder how powerful those people were or was it someone British. Men don’t take a liking to women with power and it amazes me more that she wasn’t killed deliberately in the context of this.

What are the chances she would die at such a young age and to not be wearing a seat belt seems bizarre to me. Just too many coincidences.

Also look at Princess Margaret. My gran also has sympathy for her, & I like the books she has. 'Margo' was def a bit wild during her marriage & there are lots of embarassing stories about various actors etc claiming to have been her lover. Even a man who says he's her secret son. Most are untrue, & people now sympathise knowing how awful her husband was, but at the time the family did worry, & the whole thing w Roddy Llwelyn was difficult at the time. So I get why they were wary of gossip about Charles' gfs. It was unfair & sexist but that was the standard then. Interestingly they seem to have been easier on Anne dating before marriage but ofc she was not the heir & generally not pursued but the press bc of her tomboy image.
I'm actually researching the Mountbattens for a book atm & Edwina, while I like her overall (she was quite a lot like Diana, awful childhood, sought solace in men & travel, then did great work for people) caused a lot of potential scandal w her reckless liaisons, like Diana sometimes crossing racial lines, which were ofc much more prejudiced in the 20s & 30s. & there's ongoing talk now about her probable perjury around her affair w Paul Robeson & the effect her love for Nehru had on the Partition of India. So although this was a more extreme case in many ways, it was a template for potential scandals.

Ofc ironically Mountbatten advised Charles to marry a virgin for this reason, failing to see Edwina had been a virgin when she married! & ofc now Edwina & Diana's behaviour is nothing compared to Mountbatten's probable child abuse. Other times....

Hang on, the Queen knew she would be Queen when she chose Philip. & she stuck to her guns, despite opposition to his foreigness, lost throne, Nazi relatives etc

The treatment of the Romanovs was awful. But there is a difference between letting someone be left to the mercy of probable state murder & organising that murder yourself. Likewise there's a difference between leaving someone out of Xmas dinner & ostracised exiled relatives in Paris, & having them permanently removed via murder. This should be obvious!

I've always felt sad that Dodi is just a footnote in the story. I can see the appeal as a fling, he was rich, good-looking and probably quite interesting. Whatever his father did, which is horrible, Dodi was a much loved son and his death was a tragedy too.

Dodi had his fiancé on another nearby yacht while he and Diana were on Jonikal (his Dad's yacht) so Dodi was going from obe to another for a while......... nice.

He also had a massive cocaine habit and was by many, many accounts incredibly boring and a failure in whatever businesses his Dad bankrolled and shoehorned him into.

He had access to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
and all the toys that go with it.

His arrogance (and his fathers) led to his death and Diana's.

No, sorry but I cannot feel sorry for him. Its FAFO stuff.

You are simply demonstrating zero understanding of why the landmine campaign was happening. Please read up to understand the issues

So, go on, what difference did Diana's campaign, while laudable, actually make?!

I’ve not caught up for a few pages but I’m just popping on to say there well documented evidence that Edward VIII did not actually abdicate because he loved Wallis but because his Nazi sympathising views were uncovered and Parliament would bring down the full force of their power if he stayed King. In fact witnesses have said Wallis was horrified to find out he’d abdicated and named her as the reason - she wasn’t that serious about him. And felt pushed into marrying him. Given she had many affairs during their marriage I feel like it stacks up

Was he but or do they just want you to believe he was 🤔

She probably was as was Marilyn monroe , both knew too much in my opinion

JandamiHash

Well yes, Edward VIII was known to be a Nazi sympathiser and having read his letters to Wallis MI5 concluded he was a bit of a fruitloop with very dodgy sexual predilections and an all-round fucking loser best kept far, far away.

Thank goodness for that!

Poor Wallis lumbered with that utter numpty.

MI5 could not have done anything if he was not having an affair. That was a convenient excuse to oust him out.

Indeed. Thank goodness for his vomit inducing predilection to be treated like a little boy by his sexual partners.........

Hey we're agreed on something !

What?? I like Diana & she dod some great work, but this is ridiculous. You really thunk no other 20th century woman, British or otherwise, accomplished more?

Diana had some serious mental health and behavioural issues. She had a big heart and often meant well but she also:

-Threw herself down a flight of stairs when pregnant
-Cut her wrists with a razor, cut her chest and thighs with a knife, threw herself at a glass cabinet and cut herself with a lemon slicer
-Had bulimia
-Pushed her stepmother down the stairs - quoted as saying “I pushed her down the stairs, which gave me enormous satisfaction,” Diana reportedly said. “I wanted to throttle that stepmother of mine. She brought me such grief.”
-Obsessively stalked a married art dealer and obsessively phoned his house repeatedly when he dumped her
-Had a string of lovers - including some while she was very much married
-Removed the nanny Barbara Barnes, known to her sons as Baba because she felt she had "got above herself" and was jealous of how much her sons loved her. Baba had been acting as a mother figure to William for over four years and Harry for over two, Diana did not allow her to say goodbye or even write them a postcard. She just vanished. She'd been another mother to Prince William for over four years and to Prince Harry for more than two and was not allowed to say the slightest word of farewell or even write them a postcard.

There's plenty more too. I mean PLENTY more.

None of this is remotely speculative, it is all well known and documented. I could provide another twenty links, easily.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-06-08-mn-125-story.html
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/princess-dianas-crazed-campaign-to-win-over-married-art-dealer-oliver-hoare/news-story/8fafde06345a1fe37c51c50238fb1ded
https://www.tatler.com/gallery/princess-diana-boyfriends-lovers
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8807983/Princess-Diana-fired-Princes-William-Harrys-surrogate-mother-jealousy-new-book-claims.html

If she had lived, her obvious issues and bonkers behaviour would have come much more to the fore.

I recognise that members of the Cult of Diana on this thread will go absolutely crackers at these facts. I can absolutely assure you I do not care, at all, about any names you hysterically throw at me.

She wasn't all bad, but she did some shitty things and was a very unwell and unhappy woman.

And yes, she could also be generous and kind hearted and charitable. I remember how she was one of the first to openly hug AIDS victims, unheard of at that time.

But yeah, she was not some angel, a hero or someone you should aspire to be.

Time to let the poor woman rest in peace.

No, it's not about the validity of the campaign, it's about the fact that it wouldn't make anything like a dent in the arms dealers' pockets. Certainly not enough for them to kill over.

Poor Wallis lumbered with that utter numpty.

Poor Wallis nothing. One of the reasons she was unacceptable was that she'd been (allegedly) having an affair with von Ribbentrop, the German ambassador to the UK.

And it wasn't just about the UK. Even if Baldwin had managed to find a compromise that might have been acceptable to Westminster, the CofE and the British public, the Dominions wouldn't have it at any price.

How nice you all are putting a DEAD woman down.
She can't defend herself. Yes she had flaws.
Whether you think it was an accident or something else
let her RIP.

It wouldn't have mattered who she was shagging if the establishment hadn't used her to bounce Edward off the Throne. Chances are she would have ditched Edward as well and had affairs with plenty of other people. She would just be some American woman who had an affair with The King. The country, however, would have been lumbered with a Nazi sympathiser and traitor as King. He would have had to be forced to abdicate, causing huge reputational damage to the Monarchy rather than ' That evil American divorced woman led the poor dear King astray'.

As I already posted you are the one showing zero understanding of the landline issue. The Halo trust that she posed for is a US charity and much of its success lies in the collective guilt of the US people about the amount of ordnance they dropped on South East Asia. Laos alone had more ordnance dropped on it during the Vietnam water than has been dropped elsewhere in the world in WW2 and after (prior to Ukraine). Obama’s visits there and apologies have achieved more than Diana ever could. It was a publicity coup for them to draw attention to the issue in Angola but put that in perspective with the work Halo are doing in South East Asia where there is so much still to do and, mainly farmers, are still being killed and maimed daily.

Exactly. Let's play it through - let's say that she was pregnant. When news of it broke she would have been torn apart in the press. She wasn't exactly being treated particularly sympathetically at the time anyway but that would be a whole new stick with which to beat her. The royal family could walk away smelling of roses and she'd have lost what little positive PR she'd managed to cling on to up to that point.

Do you not read any biographies of people? Or have any interest in history? A significant public figure, as Diana undoubtedly was, is of course subject to discussion and analysis of their actions, impact and public persona. As they should be.

I note you haven’t protested about the discussion of Wallis Simpson. She is also a dead woman who can’t defend herself. But also a significant public figure.

It wouldn't have mattered who she was shagging if the establishment hadn't used her to bounce Edward off the Throne.

it mattered as long as she was also having an affair with the King. Massive security risk, given his carelessness with official papers.

There have been worse scandals than a former princess dating a Muslim man,

She had been dating a Muslim man for two years prior to meeting Dodi. No-one seems to have been bothered. It wasn't Dodi's religion that would have been an issue, it was his extremely dodgy father.

It wouldn't have mattered who she was shagging if the establishment hadn't used her to bounce Edward off the Throne.
it mattered as long as she was also having an affair with the King. Massive security risk, given his carelessness with official papers.

Exactly. She wasn't that serious about him. She probably would have ditched him ifvthe relationship had been allowed to fizzle out.He was the problem, not her.

Don't you watch Channel 5? It's every Saturday night peak viewing Royal Family life and scandals. You would be able to join in if you watched a few !

I don’t think living public figures tend to put in an appearance on Mumsnet to “defend themselves”, so her being dead and unable to do so isn’t particularly relevant.