To think Princess Di was killed

[Lavenderfarmcottage]

There OK I said it. You hoo, crazy conspiracy theorist over here…

Yes, I know they had an inquiry though anyone high up enough to kill a Royal could snowball an Inquiry or influence the outcome ? I think it’s naive to think the law is this perfect thing.

Ive always found it odd that she was labelled a “loose cannon” by the press and was campaigning against landmines. It was said that it caused a lot of noses out of joint in politics. I would have thought that weapons dealers and the industry would have taken a huge hit.

There aren’t many celebrities or organisations that could have taken on the weapons or arms industry as powerfully as Diana. It was until then an issue that nobody touched.

Since her death there’s still landmines and the issue has never really been addressed.

I wonder if she’d been alive today what she’d be doing. Not hard to imagine her visiting children impacted by war and maybe even Palestinian refugees, beaming images around the world to restore some sanity and humanity.

I dont think we realise the humanity, bravery and brilliance she had. Could have been going to glamorous events and being a Princess but instead she was carrying on even when powerful people were upset.

I wonder how powerful those people were or was it someone British. Men don’t take a liking to women with power and it amazes me more that she wasn’t killed deliberately in the context of this.

What are the chances she would die at such a young age and to not be wearing a seat belt seems bizarre to me. Just too many coincidences.

Except that then it would have been clear beyond doubt that she had actually been murdered/assassinated, wouldn't it?
The seat belt question has apparently been addressed -- it was said to be faulty and she could not fasten it...
(i have no idea if that is true ir not.)

The Duke of Windsor was very far from being the only member of the British elite to be a Nazi sympathiser. There was a stream of them visiting Hitler in the 30s. The Daily Mail manifested the support for the blackshirts. Even in the 70s David Stirling (of SAS Rogue Heroes fame) was part of a plot with a few other aristocrats allegedly funded by Sir James Goldsmith to stage a coup and other throw Sir Harold Wilson. The Duke of Windsor was certainly more symptom than aberration. Had Hitler not shown his hand as aggressor not ally our history might have been very different.

Totally agree that relying on the shallow gene pool that produces Kings and Queens. I met Prince Andrew twice, once when trying to get something done with a group of business leaders, and sense of entitlement and arrogance aside he is just very thick. We were all raising our eyes skywards. However they are ring fenced in their powers and even Prince Andrew understands the concept of royal duty, so as a constitutional backstop I think they work better than many other aspects of our constitution which is scarily vulnerable if the UK goes the way of America.

I'm a year younger than she was, and there is zero doubt in my mind that it was a horrible accident.

The seat belt was perfectly fine when examined by Mercedes and independent crash investigators..........the full inquiry transcript is posted upthread if your really interested.

If I were tasked with assassinating her back then I'd have planted a bomb in her plane and claimed responsibility as IRA.

That way you kill 2 birds with one stone. IRA would of course said "Not us", but they would wouldn't they. Easy enough to use their own MO.

Given her popularity (especially in USA) it could have spelt disaster for the IRA and Sinn Fein.

Much more likely scenario.

They aren't a constitutional backstop though. They can't do anything if Parliament decides something ridiculous ( or, as we have seen, if a Prime Minister decides to prorogue Parliament illegally) . At least if we had a ceremonial president, they may be able to act as a mediary or say no.

The seatbelt was not exami9ned by Mercedes. Mercedes gave the technical specifications to the police for their investigators to examine it. But Mercedes never examined the seatbelt themselves

Because nobody knew about the existence of landmines before she pointed at them? She couldn't make a dent in the back pockets of arms dealers because, frankly, landmines aren't the only weapon used in war by a long shot, not are they the most valuable. Even if every nation whose military used them stopped doing so as a result of Diana's campaign, another weapon would simply be used in its place.

In order to really puss off the arms dealers, your campaign would have to be against war itself, and even Diana wasn't good enough to achieve that. Admirable though her campaign might have been, the idea that it in any way troubled the arms industry is laughable.

Like Diana, I was born on a Saturday and have blue eyes and I think the conspiracy business is an absolute crock.

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Thing about conspiracy theorists is one cannot debate or reality test with them.as they construct a frame of reference that they won’t deviate from, and any challenge is dismissed with well, you would say that wouldn’t you

They genuinely believe the unbelievable with a side order of convoluted sssshhh don’t tell

Yes, let's shame the female victim as usual, shall we. Nice.

I agree. My birthday is the day after the singer Dido. And that is an anagram of Dodi.

Yes, let's shame the female victim as usual, shall we. Nice.

Objectively speaking, a playboy who is already engaged to an American model, but whom he immediately dumps on meeting you, with a dodgy Dad, whom several of your friends warn you about getting involved with, and who is immediately keen to show you off as a trophy, isn’t a great choice for a boyfriend, no. Not matter how rich he is.

That is a perfect example. Johnson lied to the Queen and we were saved by an independent Judiciary. The first bit of the constitution I would address is to limit the executive and define more closely what has to be bought to parliamentary process. The second would be to protect the independence of the judiciary. The point of having three branches of democrats y is to ensure there are effective checks and balances on each of them so it never reaches the constitutional backstop. And if Johnson had ignored the judiciary I do think The Queen would then have stepped in, even more so Charles. What was clear was that at the end of the last government Johnson et all were seeking to weaken the constraints on executive power so they could act with greater impunity.

My gran, who I live w, has the Philip Eads book about Philip on her bedside table! It's quite good, he had an interesting early life especially. I get the impression he was quite questioning of religion & poss agnostic.

There were a lot of flowers & others the queen tho. The queue, the sandwiches, an awful lot of things were left. It was on TV for ages, the reaction wasn't hysterical but it was huge. People are surely aware?

Someone gave me Ingrid Seaward's biography of Prince Philip, and he was a fascinating man! Endlessly curious and enquiring, and ahead of his time in many ways.

I think it's quite simple. The Queen was respected and popular but she died as a very old lady.

Diana's death was tragically untimely and unexpected.

Yes, when older he could come across as crusty & regressive, but overall he was complex & interesting. Eg, when Queen Mary was disgusted by Gandhi sending a loincloth as a present, which she misinterpreted, Philip was the only one who spoke up for him.

I actually found Prince Philip's funeral the most moving. I was gone from the moment his coffin appeared with his naval hat. It was simple but so very much of him, and the stoic widowed Queen sitting there all on her own. I bawled my eyes out 🙄

Yes, I get that difference ..I just don't see why people were saying the Queen didn't get a big reaction, flowers etc. Ofc it wad smaller & quieter, for the reasons you said. But it was still pretty large.

Of course it was - it was the end of a very long era of a very dedicated Queen, who was respected even by people who have no time for the royal family. And I think it was shocking too in that we'd seen her with BJ and Liz Truss a couple of days before.

I think the reaction was pretty massive.

None of the royal really had reason to want Diana dead. There have been worse scandals than a former princess dating a Muslim man, and maybe carrying his baby (although it's extremely unlikely she was pregnant).

I'm certain it was an accident. A terrible, tragic accident that was preventable.

She was so young, it's impossible to know what she'd be doing had she lived.

I've always felt sad that Dodi is just a footnote in the story. I can see the appeal as a fling, he was rich, good-looking and probably quite interesting. Whatever his father did, which is horrible, Dodi was a much loved son and his death was a tragedy too.

Diana was definitely killed, but in an accident. It was very sad but so many people went nuts over it. It's not a day I'll ever forget but I do remember eye rolling about her prior to her death in an 'what's she doing now?' Kind of way.

The media narrative about her had changed somewhat and she did become almost sainted after her death, nevertheless she always had her fans.

Expected? I agree from my history reading to some extent, but did love play no part in aristo marriages in the 80s? Poor Camilla seemed to love Andrew Rupert Campbell-Black Parker Bowles, despite his bad behaviour.
Diana came from a divorce & I feel like she did expect a fairy tale. She shouldn't have done. But I think she was probs hoping for a stable, loving marriage that contrasted w her parents' example.