To think Princess Di was killed

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There OK I said it. You hoo, crazy conspiracy theorist over here…

Yes, I know they had an inquiry though anyone high up enough to kill a Royal could snowball an Inquiry or influence the outcome ? I think it’s naive to think the law is this perfect thing.

Ive always found it odd that she was labelled a “loose cannon” by the press and was campaigning against landmines. It was said that it caused a lot of noses out of joint in politics. I would have thought that weapons dealers and the industry would have taken a huge hit.

There aren’t many celebrities or organisations that could have taken on the weapons or arms industry as powerfully as Diana. It was until then an issue that nobody touched.

Since her death there’s still landmines and the issue has never really been addressed.

I wonder if she’d been alive today what she’d be doing. Not hard to imagine her visiting children impacted by war and maybe even Palestinian refugees, beaming images around the world to restore some sanity and humanity.

I dont think we realise the humanity, bravery and brilliance she had. Could have been going to glamorous events and being a Princess but instead she was carrying on even when powerful people were upset.

I wonder how powerful those people were or was it someone British. Men don’t take a liking to women with power and it amazes me more that she wasn’t killed deliberately in the context of this.

What are the chances she would die at such a young age and to not be wearing a seat belt seems bizarre to me. Just too many coincidences.

And they can distract all the blame onto them rather than themselves for raising a person so wholly unsuitable to be King, which may have raised other questions about hereditary Monarchies.

She was partly killed by the driver of the white car that hit her Mercedes, leading to the driver loosing control, and hitting a pole. Being hit by a car when you are travelling 50 to 60 mph is a serious business.

That is the point of a hereditary monarchy, you get who is born.
Royal supporters go on all the time about how we could get a president Farage. But they gloss over the fact we had a Nazi supporter as a King. A King who was suspected of passing details of British troop movements to Hitler. It may have led to the death of British troops.

We know the British government were in consternation and wanting to get rid of him. But there is no legal means to depose a King. The affair was used as a means to oust him out. But these days an affair would not achieve this.

If we had a Monarch who supported Putin and passed state secrets to him, we would have no legal means to depose them.

She wouldn't do that to her kids

We were also only one accident or episode of very bad luck away from King Andrew, too. Not an issue now, but before William was born one crash or incurable illness would've done it.

Well quite. That's my point . All the handwringing about ' The Abdication' and how terrible it all was for the Royals that Wallis Simpson caused all the upset when really she was a stooge, used to protect the Royals from awkward questions. She was an admirer of Hitler too, but she wasn't Head of State.

Yes very true. We could have had a monarch inviting Epstein and Maxwell into Buckingham Palace, instead of just a Prince. It would have made any prosecution much harder with a Monarch as protector.

If we had a Monarch who supported Putin and passed state secrets to him, we would have no legal means to depose them.

Of course we would. Parliament is sovereign in this country. One Deposition Act is all it would take. As happened in 1688.

If we had an open democracy where the Royals weren't allowed to hide their secrets away, and they didn't have Parliament, civil servants, the press etc covering up for them I would believe that would happen and they would risk the entire house of cards collapsing. If a monarch had to abdicate because they were giving secrets to Putin or contorting with child sex traffickers then the risk of the entire monarchy being done away with is too high.

Interesting choice of wording given the photo taken by the fixed camera outside the tunnel shows that the white car was on the road ahead of the Mercedes, in the right hand land. The Mercedes was speeding down the incline in the inside lane.

So it’s far more likely the car driving at high speed in an enclosed space and coming from behind hit the Fiat than vice versa.

It might do, but it might not. A lot would depend on the public opinion of the next in line. And given we’re talking deposing a monarch because of personal failing rather than something like their religion, there wouldn’t be any need to go trawling as they did in the 1680s.

Yes. The white Fiat had a rear indicator light smashed by the connection with the Mercedes.

That's all the damage it sustained so only a minor collision

Now I wonder what the respective weights are between a Fiat and a Mercedes (probably bullet proofed)? No way would such a minor collision effect the trajectory of such a much, much heavier car.

It comes down to driver error. The Mercedes driver over reacted at excessive speed.

She was, in an RTA.

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Here is the original post that I replied to.
Proves my point. Upstaging the King at the time of his own Coronation would certainly be petty, shallow and puerile.

Take it up with the OP who claimed she'd do that, not me who points out how it's not admirable to be like that.

As for being a "MN troll" only here to stir the shit I suggest you take your pathetic assertions to MNHQ to decide if I'm a troll or not.

Plus who are YOU to judge whether or not replies to posts are "appropriate and fitting"?
What on earth do you mean by that? Weird!

George V had the reputation of being a very strict father, to the extent his children were afraid of him.

George VI was raised alongside Edward, and he turned out to be an excellent king, especially during the war years.

So, who's to blame for how 'Bertie' turned out?!

No. It's unlikely the driver would have lost control as he did if he hadn't been drunk. An elderly Fiat -v- a large Merc, no contest.

King George VI never wanted to be king, and Queen Elizabeth blamed the Windsors for her husband's early death.

I’m hoarse from pointing out that, unless you decide to completely reorganise the country’s governmental mechanisms far beyond replacing the monarchy with an elected HoS, you will not have a President with executive power, as in the US — that will remain with parliament etc. The elected HoS could be a largely ceremonial role, not a political one, with strictly limited civic and judicial roles, a finite term, a salary pegged to the top of the civil servant scale, the use of a residence, cars, a plane, security, staff etc, for the term. No reason to elect a politician at all. In Ireland the only stipulations are that you have to be an Irish citizen of 35 or over to put your name forward. To run, you need to have the support of 20 members of the Oireachtas or four city or county councils. You could elect a broadly popular public figure with wide appeal, someone who’s led a life of public service. You could have David Attenborough or Tanni Grey-Thompson or Hugh Laurie.

Ooops too late to edit - that should have been David, of course, not Bertie!

All things you mentioned are arguments against a hereditary monarchy. The children born into the monarchy know what their role is in life. The eldest and the younger ones. If you are just imposing people who are wholly unsuitable or who don't want to do it despite having their entire lifetimes to prepare for it, then that's the point of doing it? Also it was hardly the Windsors fault that George VI smoked 60 fag's a day and got cancer!

That's not the point. He took the role on and did it admirably.

I didn't say that his smoking didn't lead to his relatively early demise. Queen Elizabeth blamed the Windsors. Maybe he smoked more because of the stress of being king, who knows?

Back in those days doctors advised (and advertised) that smoking was GOOD for you!

I've seen some old ads. Shocking, but smoking really was promoted for numerous health benefits.

Poor George VI was totally trashed by his terrible childhood, his dreadful elder brother and the stresses of being a King with a disabling stammer when his country was on the brink of annihilation.

No wonder the poor soul died so young.

Good point.

There weren't exactly warnings on cigarette packets then!

It's never unreasonable to question things, OP. She was just a few years older than me, and i've always had my doubts about it being an accident.