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To not want to give to charities at the checkout or on the street.

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WeCanOnlyDoOurBest · 27/01/2025 18:51

At a shop today I was asked by the store assistant at the point of paying with my card if I wanted to donate to charity. This has happened numerous times in other shops/stores as it flags up on the card machine, and I have the option to tap yes or no. However on this occasion it was pointed out to me, she was looking right at me waiting for an answer and watching if I tapped yes or no. It didn’t say which charity it was on the card machine and I declined. She gave a slight shake of her head and I left feeling really uncomfortable.
I also hate it when I get stopped in the street, I find some of them use a very pushy ‘salesman’ technique and try to make me feel like the worst person when I refuse to handover my bank details for a regular monthly donation. The last one asked me, ‘don’t you even care?’
I do give to certain charities, and I’m happy to donate food into the donation box in Sainsbury’s, Tesco etc, I’ve also raised money for cancer research by way of being sponsored on a walk.
What concerns me about giving to charities is how much of our funding and donations go into helping that particular cause? And how much is the big chief being paid out of our donations? For example Simon Cooke, the chief executive of Marie Stopes International earns an annual salary of £430,000.
I see begging adverts on TV… help the donkeys, help the cats, the polar bears, the tigers etc etc. We’re asked to donate to war torn countries, and I see the poor little babies and children half starved in terrible conditions and the mother holding the child is looking far from underfed!
AIBU to only want to give to certain charities? I feel in my heart I would rather help the people and good causes in my own country, because frankly times are hard for a lot of families given the rising cost of living, even for those who are working really hard.
I guess it comes down to me thinking ‘Charity begins at home’, and asking myself the question ‘does the funding go into the right pot that helps the cause?’

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ERthree · 27/01/2025 20:15

Just say no. I was asked the other day to top up what i was paying by 50p, my reply was i have just bought something from your shop that you got for free so no i wont be adding more.

Anonymous2003 · 27/01/2025 20:16

The cashiers at my local Poundland tell me just to hit the red button whenever I pay with card 🤣

DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe · 27/01/2025 20:17

BoredZelda · 27/01/2025 20:12

What a thing to get worked up about.

Who cares what other people think about you. Give or don't give, and go about your day.

Many charities (particularly small, local ones) are struggling the same way as everyone else. They took a massive hit during Covid and are struggling to raise money. They don't have the same amount of marketing clout behind them as the likes of MacMillan or BHF so it's harder for them to reach people.

If people want to volunteer to sit in a freezing supermarket vestibule to raise money for something they care about, good on them. Nobody is judging you for not throwing some money in their bucket.

I think it's great charities have found a way to raise money in a digital world. Nobody is forced to give. Having the "round up" option is a brilliant idea. I do it (unless it's for one of the big charities). What's 30p to me? But it adds up for them. I used to do it with my loose change, stick it in a charity box, or into a jar at home to donate.

Not sure why someone giving a slight nod of the head would bother you. If you are happy with your decision, just smile and move on. If you are so incensed about it, raise it with her or her supervisor.

But ime, it's rarely the little local charities that are involved in this - it usually tends to be the bigger national charities who have the stalls or are chosen by the supermarkets/establishments as their 'giving partner'.

WeCanOnlyDoOurBest · 27/01/2025 20:17

DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe · 27/01/2025 19:46

But they're still hoping to cash in by default, inertia or confusion rather than honestly asking for free donations from those who want to give.

There's nothing at all stopping them from putting up a sign giving the name of the nominated charity and inviting donations - rather than just relying on staff remembering to press 'No' every time and/or customers pressing the wrong buttons or feeling mean not doing so.

They're in the middle of an authorised transaction they're happy to make, so if they see a green button and a red button and are being asked to press one of them, many people would interpret that as green to confirm all OK or red only if there's a problem - especially if they have poor eyesight or don't speak English as a first language.

Also, you may not care if they give or not, but (as in the OP), a lot of cashiers and assistants will seemingly take it personally and judge if customers don't donate.

Thank you for this

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Needmorelego · 27/01/2025 20:17

@DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe the person on the till doesn't have time to stand and explain what the charity is. They can tell you charity name or a basic bit of information if it's a smaller fundraiser ("we are helping to fund the new playground in the local park") but they really can't go into a long explanation.
It seriously is just the modern equivalent of a box at the till that people used to put their pennies in. It's not a new concept.
@sequin2000 they do "do more than the average shopper" - that was my point.

WeCanOnlyDoOurBest · 27/01/2025 20:23

Cattreesea · 27/01/2025 19:28

I absolutely hate this.

If the store wants to support a charity they are welcome to donate some of their profits to them...

Very good point!

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ERthree · 27/01/2025 20:24

Needmorelego · 27/01/2025 20:17

@DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe the person on the till doesn't have time to stand and explain what the charity is. They can tell you charity name or a basic bit of information if it's a smaller fundraiser ("we are helping to fund the new playground in the local park") but they really can't go into a long explanation.
It seriously is just the modern equivalent of a box at the till that people used to put their pennies in. It's not a new concept.
@sequin2000 they do "do more than the average shopper" - that was my point.

Not the same as a box at the till at all. The person behind the till didn't pick up the box, shake it at you and ask for money. It was private decision to donate, that privacy has now been taken away.

Stepfordian · 27/01/2025 20:24

I don’t give money to any charities, or food banks or sponsored walks and I don’t feel bad, it’s my money to spend as I choose. I don’t care if some shop worker or chugger disapproves either.

NoctuaAthene · 27/01/2025 20:26

Applesandpears23 · 27/01/2025 19:15

You might like to look into the effective altruism movement. It is basically lots of people who try to measure the impact of charities and asses which ones make the most difference for each £ donated. Reading about this has made me feel more secure in the choices of charity I have made and if anyone questions me I am happy to explain who I support and why.

This basically. I do personally suspect that people that bang on about CEO salaries and money wasted on fundraising and so on as a reason not to donate to charity haven't really bothered to do even a cursory Google. If they did they'd easily discover there are several charities out there that really do exceptional work literally saving lives for very, very little money. Mosquito nets, vitamin supplements and worming treatments for instance cost pennies in the third world and are life saving or life transforming. So I really don't buy the idea that charity giving is pointless or a waste. If you really have no money to spare or you have a logical argument against charitable giving for other reasons then fine but don't pedal lazy myths or stereotypes.

But choosing carefully which charities you give to and doing so in a planned and regular way rather than to random charities at the till, absolutely fair enough although I generally regard the till question as the equivalent of the 'change pot' you used to get in the days of small change, you're usually only asked if you want to round up your payment or perhaps add a very small donation of £1 or something, I have absolutely no problem saying no or absent mindedly yes, can't say I've ever noticed even the smallest judgment from the cashier either way. They have better things to be thinking about I'm sure! Chuggers on the other hand are a known scourge, they act like aggressive salespeople because that's exactly what they are, people employed to hard sell, they aren't volunteers and they don't have much personal connection to the charity, just out to make some commission/a living. They won't even accept a cash or one off donation if you offer, direct debit only. Most reputable charities stopped using them 10 years or more ago. Again I literally just walk past without breaking stride, don't engage them in conversation at all. If someone judges me, who cares, I'm very comfortable with my level of charitable giving and feel no need whatsoever to justify myself to strangers.

Maybe I have really thick skin but making a whole MN thread about this and then responding aggressively to challenge smacks slightly of insecurity, are you as happy as you say with your current charity set up?

WeCanOnlyDoOurBest · 27/01/2025 20:26

ERthree · 27/01/2025 20:24

Not the same as a box at the till at all. The person behind the till didn't pick up the box, shake it at you and ask for money. It was private decision to donate, that privacy has now been taken away.

Well said, it feel more like harrassment

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Needmorelego · 27/01/2025 20:30

@ERthree they usually ask these days because you do have to press the "no" button but I have NEVER been made to feel I must donate or made to feel guilty or anything like that. It's no more an invasion of my privacy than asking if I need a bag.
The assistants really don't care and are pretty much saying the words they have to do ("do you want half price chocolate/have yo got a clubcard/do you want to donate") on complete auto pilot - I worked in retail for 20 years 😂

Needmorelego · 27/01/2025 20:33

@WeCanOnlyDoOurBest really - being asked to press a button on a machine is "harassment"?
I agree that chuggers on the street/in shop doorways are a pain but I either say "no", put my hand up in a "no" manner or don't even make eye contact.

tinytemper66 · 27/01/2025 20:36

I remember someone asking for money for disabled children. I replied "I have one at home"...

TizerorFizz · 27/01/2025 20:36

@WeCanOnlyDoOurBest Say no thanks because you choose the charities you support. You don’t need to feel guilt about not supporting theirs.

CovertPiggery · 27/01/2025 20:38

Needmorelego · 27/01/2025 20:30

@ERthree they usually ask these days because you do have to press the "no" button but I have NEVER been made to feel I must donate or made to feel guilty or anything like that. It's no more an invasion of my privacy than asking if I need a bag.
The assistants really don't care and are pretty much saying the words they have to do ("do you want half price chocolate/have yo got a clubcard/do you want to donate") on complete auto pilot - I worked in retail for 20 years 😂

This.

Also worked in retail and I genuinely couldn't have given a shit if people said yes or no to these things.

MajorCarolDanvers · 27/01/2025 20:45

oh look another charity bashing thread.

just say no

charities have a duty to raise funds and are perfectly entitled to ask.

giving is a personal choice so if you don’t want to give don’t.

HellofromJohnCraven · 27/01/2025 20:51

I donate to tressel trust, lifeboats and hospice monthly by dd.
I will sometimes donate online to a disaster or similar.
Other than that I rely on my resting bitch face to do the talking.

randomusernam · 27/01/2025 20:56

I never donate through companies. They can get the tax back on any donations they make.

HereBeWormholes · 27/01/2025 21:01

CovertPiggery · 27/01/2025 20:38

This.

Also worked in retail and I genuinely couldn't have given a shit if people said yes or no to these things.

Indeed - and by the same token, no need to be rude to a retail worker just doing what their boss has told them do - a cheery No thanks will do. 🙂

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 27/01/2025 21:10

Haroldwilson · 27/01/2025 19:16

Ok chuggers in the street I don't like either.

The rest I'm afraid you're being massively, massively unreasonable.

People used to put spare change in pots at the till. Now we all pay by card. They're trying to make up the difference. You can just say no.

A tiny handful of CEOs earn the kind of money you're talking about, usually for running complex international multi-million pound organisations with lots of staff and different activities like charity shops, relief, long term projects etc. Everyone in the sector, CEOs included, are getting paid less than they would in the private sector.

As for mothers in war-torn countries looking healthier than their babies, that's mind blowingly crass. Are you actually saing those mothers are tucking into food and leaving their kids without? FFS.

For a start, a two year old who has lived under war conditions will suffer more from lack of nutrition than an adult. An adult literally starving themselves wouldn't be able to care for children. And children are susceptible to things like diarrhoea from poor nutrition and living in unhygienic conditions. People don't tend to starve to death, they become malnourished because they can only access basic foods and leave out veg, meat etc. then an illness like a tummy bug has much worse consequences for them.

I've found that people who say 'charity begins at home' also don't give to local causes either. All those ads will have gone through a calculation for return on investment, eg they bring in much more in fundraising than they cost to make and broadcast.

Let's face it, you want to live in a consumerist bubble where other people's hardship is kept out of sight because you don't want to give any money to help.

Spot on!

Haroldwilson · 27/01/2025 21:17

randomusernam · 27/01/2025 20:56

I never donate through companies. They can get the tax back on any donations they make.

They get tax deduction on donations THEY make. Not that YOU make. They're just letting the charity use their premises etc for that.

They get indirect benefit of brand boosting by being associated with a positive cause.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 27/01/2025 21:17

hazelnutvanillalatte · 27/01/2025 19:56

No. Corporations do this so they can use customers' donations as a tax write off.

Nonsense.

Customers' donations are not 'a tax write off' (whatever you think you mean by that).

However, charitable donations, whether by a corporate or an individual, are tax deductible.

BBQPete · 27/01/2025 21:18

AIBU to only want to give to certain charities?

No, of course not, but YABU to get worked up about this. Saying it is harassment is OTT.

With the card reader thing, just press 'no' and move on with your day. With the chuggers, either just say 'No' or 'I already give' is a good one, and, again, just move on with your day.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 27/01/2025 21:21

Needmorelego · 27/01/2025 20:33

@WeCanOnlyDoOurBest really - being asked to press a button on a machine is "harassment"?
I agree that chuggers on the street/in shop doorways are a pain but I either say "no", put my hand up in a "no" manner or don't even make eye contact.

Well, quite.

Ilovemyshed · 27/01/2025 21:25

At the till, click no
In the street "no, I don't give to charities that stop me in the street, I give direct to ones I choose"
At the door "no, I never donate to doorsteppers, goodbye"
In answer to "do you care". "Yes, but I cannot give to everyone and you are not my chosen charity this year".