Axel Rudakubana

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I haven't seen anything in articles I have read about Axel Rudakubana today about a mental health assessment. His behaviour is so extreme, that it is difficult not to suspect he is suffering from an untreated mental health condition. Does anyone else think that mental illness may be at the root of his horrific crimes?

I once took an Uber where the driver was listening to the radio or a podcast about the killing of black people in a country where there are supposed none black people left. I was a bit scare of the way he was talking about it. I investigated a bit and it turned out it is just rumours or one of those stories that are not true or could never be confirmed from about two centuries ago. The driver was black and very upset and saying that white people would pay for what they did.
I really despair about the amount of lies people are told and for what purposed? The amount of hateful literature and how it is now normalised to hate white people and to openly to call the elderly white people gammons and other pejorative things.
Who knows how much rubbish this kid was consuming online to become so hateful and a murderer? it is all out there in your face in bookstores and social media.

Does anyone know what happens in say Europe to any child who is clearly heading down this sort of horrific path? What interventions if any are taken and when? I can't believe somewhere like Sweden for instance would just leave them to do their worst or maybe they do?

I dont disagree with any of what you've said

Yes MH services too easily opt out, however in their defence, how can you 'work' with someone who doesnt want to engage, what do you do, force yourself into their house and force therapy on them, how does that work?

So lets say they're face with this child, aged 13 or 14 or whatever. You know that his parents are worried because he obsessively collects information about killing and death and talks about it a lot. So they offer an appointment and even if he turns up, if he wont talk or wont meet with them, what do they do?

Theres no evidence of illness or disorder so what do they do?

Ive already said on other posts, we need to make a choice as a society that we start to limit peoples freedoms and take away liberty when there is no MH disorder AND they havent committed a crime

Or we accept that these things will happen.

Personally Im getting frustrated with the amount of impact anti social and disordered or disturbed people have on us as a society because we dont want to limit peoples freedoms. I getting tired of the majority needing to tolerate a minority who cause problems for the majority.

If he had a diagnosable condition that was the cause of his actions, then either he could not be tried, or he would be found not guilty on the grounds of diminished responsibility.

If considered too dangerous to be in society, he'd be sent to a secure hospital, as a patient. And if he recovered, then he'd be released.

If someone is ill, that is the humane course.

People who are arrested/charged are very carefully and thoroughly assessed. He was found fit to stand trial, has been convicted and is in prison.

now normalised to hate white people

You need to come off the internet and live in the real world a bit.

What on Earth are you talking about? The same amount of black people hate white as white hate black, i.e a minority of racists.

There was far more evidence this killer was obessessed with killing , than hating white people.

Sometimes its not about race, its about simply being evil, like this one, he wasnt accused of being far right racist, just evil

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-65988132

Lock him up.

Agreed.

I kinda feel that past a certain point it's really a mental illness. I mean, you could argue that a depressed person who repeatedly tries to commit suicide isn't actually depressed and is just 'very very sad.'

I think that Axel should never be released back into society. However, if he is mentally ill, he would be best accommodated in a secure psychiatric hospital such as Broadmoor.

This is the problem. That is what happened with the grooming gang public enquiry, around a 100 recommendations, still not implemented years after.

Completely irrelevant so someone who gleefully murdered children.

Who cares.

I think he will end up there. I can imagine his behavior might be very difficult to manage in prison. It's quite common to move as a prisoner.

They can only be assessed if they cooperate. You can't force someone to cooperate. You also can't assess someone if they refuse to speak at all, for example, or engage in any way.

Do you mean that if his parents were never here , he wouldn't have done it at all ? Or just someplace else?

Just watched bbc news. NHS saying they treated him for mental illness under cahms from 2019 to 2023.

Was removed from treatment for not engaging.

I'd love to know what the treatment consisted of.

There will be wooly descriptions in any review of the case, 'provided support' 'interventions' etc etc

What does that actually mean?

It's not exactly surprising, is it? On both counts.

So many posters insisted though that he couldn't possibly have had any mental health issues.

Well of course, that's for the authorities to determine and arrange. Either way, I agree, he must never be released.

I cant find any details.

Surely after 4 years you would have a diagnosis or it wouldn’t justify treatment.

Unless it’s the suspected personality disorder type situation (no diagnosis for children) that PPs have explained about.

Apparently he was referred after the school incident where he attacked the younger boy (who claims he had no idea who he was).

Families are demanding that questions are answered so am sure more will come out as time goes on.

I wonder what the world will be like in 52 years' time when he comes up for parole. Presumably, it will be possible to put a chip in his brain and control his thoughts. So, most likely, he will be eventually released because by then it would make no sense to spend millions keeping people like him locked up. Technology/AI will eventually make prison redundant.

Wow on second thoughts I don’t think answers will come out.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/24/police-locked-in-long-us-legal-process-to-access-southport-killers-online-history

They don’t want the answers. How can they say it’s not terror when they have no idea about his online activity. Googles practically advising them how to get his data quickly and it seems they have gone out of there way to make it long winded. When they weren’t expecting him to plead guilty so surely this was pressing for the trial.

They clearly would have known about the NHS treatment. So why say no indication of mental illness.

Honestly I havent a clue whats going on here. I dont really have a right to know but the families absolutely do.

What I do have a right to is not to be lied to when clearly they cant say its not terror, and they cant say its not mental illness.

It’s absolutely fishy behaviour. And I have no idea why. I can’t think of any reason why they would go out of their way to say it’s neither terror nor MH when clearly they can’t justifiably say either. It’s utterly bizarre.

@Hoover2025 how odd. I just assumed police could recover everything. So a 17 year old deletes his searches and the police can't do anything? 🤔

I think it's worth remembering the families know more than will be reported and rightfully so. The age of social media has taken entitlement to a new level.

I saw some things on social media today where they were referring to the news reporter not giving exact details of some of the injuries - mainly the angel who was stabbed over 100 times. People were up in arms about it being 'kept from them'. Really?

If you think back to a lot of murders, we will never really know. We can guess and speculate but actually, it's not really any of our business. I feel sorry for the families having to see this every time they open a social media app or go online.

We are not entitled to answers.

Nobody has said that. We have said thar the court didn't mention any and called him evil. Both of these things are true.
Being seen by camhs doesn't mean a great deal.

You worked with lots of children who gleefully murdered several children with hundreds of stab wounds?