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He told his mom details on our financial set up!

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 13:11

Heads up: this is a very long post with lots of background info.

I am a 25 year old woman old engaged to my fiancé who is a 29 year old man. We have been dating since I was 19 and he was 24. When I say we are madly in love with each other we are madly in love with each other. We are each others first relationships. We mesh together perfectly. We had a bit of a long engagement not due to any issues at all in our relationship just because I was in college and my fiance was still getting figured out in his career.

We both met when we both didn’t have a lot of money I was living at home with my parents and he was living with an older man that used to be his neighbor who was renting out a small spare bedroom. Since then we grown into our careers and adults lives together. He moved and we did long distance for 16 months until I got everything together and was ready to move together into our apartment and then we got a house. once we moved into the house together we decided to start sharing finances and viewing things as “our” money instead of “his” or “her” money. We have a joint account where we would put all the money in that goes towards necessities such as bills and home repairs and groceries and what not. Then based on percentages we would take out our respective amounts of the joint account for the necessities. We then have our own separate account which our “fun money” goes in and then another joint account of a budgeted amount that our savings goes in that we don’t touch.

Then this way we have the same amount left over for fun things such as he has his truck hobby with his pick up truck that he owns that he likes to tinker with and I get a pedicure and my hair colored now and again or dinner out with friends stuff like that. This is the obvious way to do it to me bc obviously we operate as a team and engaged and not roommates so we want to make sure each other has the same amount to “toy around with” so to speak. We weren’t nickel and diming each other. He makes a little over 2 times what I make not that I don’t work just as hard it’s just our chosen careers which we are both very passionate about happen to pay that amount.

We would base what we contribute financially based on percentage so we still have the same money left over and I wouldn’t be stuck with nothing or very little while he has a lot more left over. To us that’s what being a team and getting married means. He pays the mortgage and I pay utilities such as electric, water, internet, toilet trees, I pay for our home delivery meal service that comes for dinners 5 nights a week. I also am responsible for cleaning the house and if there are home repair issues or something needs to be renovated like for example our master bathroom recently got redone I handle all that. Finding the contractors to come out and manning the job and picking out what we want.

We never argue about money and we are both very happy with this financial set up and we both feel it’s very fair and equal. Multiple people have commented on how it’s beautiful we are so in love and have built our lives up together after meeting each other when we both basically had nothing or very little to our name and they can’t wait for us to be married.

The one thing we disagree about is his mother. I feel my fiancé involves her very heavily in his/our life. She lives 13 hours away and my fiancé is the oldest and she has 2 younger sons. She has a big family lots of friends and isn’t lonely by any stretch yet my fiance tells her at any given time the exact home repairs we are doing, if something goes wrong with our home, if we happen to have less money than expected. They talk everyday or just about and I feel like it’s a bit overbearing and strange given she isn’t lonely. I don’t meet that many adults who want their parents that heavily involved in their personal lives. I think I would cry and feel suffocated if my mom was that involved in the knowing of everything that happens. Well the icing on top of the cake for me was he told his mom our exact financial arrangement/set up. He told her how we have our accounts set up, who contributes what, who pays what. The only thing he didn’t tell her was how much we have in those accounts.

i cried when he told me this because I said finances and inlaws/family don’t mix. I said I understand you are close to your mom and fine even though I find it annoying that she has to know every detail of our lives telling her our exact financial set up is not ok. I said I’m beginning to feel like his mom is a third person in our relationship and there is no reason she needs to be privy to our finances and how we have it set up. I said a couple’s finances is between them and them alone and a possible financial advisor who is a professional and not a biased party like a parent and of course our bank. Unless his mom is giving us money which we are independent adults on our own two feet so she isn’t. So absolutely no reason she needs knowledge on our banking info. To me that hooks be common sense. My fiancé and I have such a solid and close relationship I also underneath the anger feel very hurt and betrayed that without me there or even checking with me he just told his mom all our financial info not even thinking about my feelings. For her to know about such private information I feel “exposed” not in the physical sense but the mental sense.

I said when we get married I don’t want to feel like your mom is the third person in our marriage. He did apologize and explain he told her because she was just talking about finances in general and it flowed with the conversation but I told him I was still upset and just needed some alone time. Not alone time to rethink the relationship obviously because every relationship has issues once in a great while but just time to calm down.

Im sure we can all agree that given his mom that much access into our financial set up isn’t a good idea but AIBU to be this upset and worked up over it? I just feel there needs to be boundaries especially as an adult in a serious relationship. And maybe when you’re a teenager telling your parents every little thing is fine but I don’t want his mom living in our pocket.

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MsMarch · 23/01/2025 15:24

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 15:00

Nope it’s our finances so it’s joint so something there involves me as well I get a say on

Yes, that's what you believe. I understand that. My view is different. I think it's okay for him to, broadly, discuss this with his mother. BUT not if it's a way to control you or if she's judging you or getting involved or if his decision making is impacted by her views.

And if she's not very welcoming to you, then I understand even more why your view is different. You don't feel like you're freeloading. I don't think you're freeloading. But as she hasn't exactly made you feel part of the family, I can easily imagine thaty ou are concerned that she will have opinions, and ones that aren't very flattering at that.

Wexone · 23/01/2025 15:25

Ohnonotmeagain · 23/01/2025 15:18

Me. 🤷‍♀️

dh called his parents every day. They have a great relationship. It is possible to have a great relationship with your parents AND have a good marriage.

when his mum was dying he brought her to live with us and cared for her every day. It was hard but I know if every I need that kind of care he will be there to take care of me til the end.

think about it, when you have kids do you want them to grow up, find partners and then never really speak to you beyond pleasantries?

one of my children has moved away and they call nearly every day for a chat and to tell me about their lives. I love hearing from them and wouldn’t want it any other way.

Similar in my house, we lived very close to in laws, my husband sees his mother nearly every day. They would have known some details of our Finances as the have very generously helped us out in the past, we have since paid them back but it was a big help at the time and by no means interfered in our relationship.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 15:25

Completelyjo · 23/01/2025 14:53

He has to know it’s his mother so naturally she is biased in favor of him so why would he do that to me?

This only applies if you think your best interests are at odds to his.

Nope mothers and particularly mother of sons are biased no matter what.

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LemonKitten · 23/01/2025 15:25

I think what a lot of people have missed is that you hadn't explicitly asked him not to share info in your finances.

If you had, he would be in the wrong.

Because you hadn't until it actually happened, he's not in the wrong.

Even couples very much in love don't have the same opinion on everything. You presumed he felt the same as you. He didn't.

MangshorJhol · 23/01/2025 15:26

Also no my mother for a while didn’t ’make an effort’ because he was a stranger to her. She lived on the other side of the world and he was a grainy person on Skype. She was perfectly polite but it would have been weird for her to buy birthday presents for him! When she met him she was perfectly nice to him (although she muttered to me that he was too thin and it was all his vegetarianism that was to blame, and that I should sneak some meat into his food- obviously I ignored that).

Because of the distance and expense of travelling what my mum knew about DH as my boyfriend was mediated through what I told her. So unless your boyfriend is actively bitching about you I don’t see the problem!

Growlybear83 · 23/01/2025 15:27

I think you've over reacted massively. Why does it matter that your fiancé has told his mother how you've agreed to run your finances? He's obviously close to her, and it sounds like you're really jealous of his relationship with his mum and you sound very controlling. It's not unusual for children to be close with one or both of their parents - it was very rare that a day passed without me speaking to my mum when she was alive and I also talked to my dad several times each week. Our finances weren't a secret and my dad always knew exactly how much we earned and who paid for what. Your fiancé has every bit as much of a right to talk to his mum about things like that as you have to choose mot to discuss this with your parents. It's also natural to chat to someone about what you're doing in your house. I don't agree that people in the US are more reserved about discussing finances - British people are notoriously reserved about things like how much they earn etc. I don't see the issue at all.

Bigcat25 · 23/01/2025 15:29

I'm sorry if I was harsh op. I understand that it's frustrating if he hadn't stood up for you to his mom and that she hasn't made an effort, or perhaps he doesn't acknowledge this to her or ask her to treat you like a person too.

Completelyjo · 23/01/2025 15:29

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 15:25

Nope mothers and particularly mother of sons are biased no matter what.

What do you think the difference is between a mother and a mother of sons?

MangshorJhol · 23/01/2025 15:29

I assure you mothers of daughters are biased too. My mother was very fond of DH but clearly clearly thought that he was punching above his weight in marrying me.
Funnily my MIL was very glad DH was marrying me. And yes she does think he’s wonderful but so did my mother!!!

Does your mother not think you are the best thing since sliced bread and that your DH is lucky to marry you?!

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 15:30

MsMarch · 23/01/2025 15:24

Yes, that's what you believe. I understand that. My view is different. I think it's okay for him to, broadly, discuss this with his mother. BUT not if it's a way to control you or if she's judging you or getting involved or if his decision making is impacted by her views.

And if she's not very welcoming to you, then I understand even more why your view is different. You don't feel like you're freeloading. I don't think you're freeloading. But as she hasn't exactly made you feel part of the family, I can easily imagine thaty ou are concerned that she will have opinions, and ones that aren't very flattering at that.

Yes you hit the nail on the head. I want to know why he isn’t involving me in something that is partly mine? Forget his mother I guess I want to know his motive in doing this. That’s what I worry about if she is going to influence him and if his decisions will be impacted by his mother’s thoughts which will yes show his mother comes before me. Or if she is going to make judgmental comments. Or if she will accept that her son is a grown man about to be married and just listen. It gives a completely different context depending on how she handles the knowledge of having this information. Will it be oh no you should do this or don’t do that or will it be a supportive response?

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 15:31

Maurepas · 23/01/2025 15:10

But OP - deep down are you actually controlling? Finances are a big part of anyone's life so no surprise his mother is interested in the set up. He may tell her all and everything about you or he may not. He probably feels at liberty to do so.

It’s not her business tho. Because (as she shouldn’t have to) given us our money so what’s it to her. We are about to be married. This is my money too so not sure why he didn’t involve me in this discussion or told me he was going to mention this

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MangshorJhol · 23/01/2025 15:32

The reason I told my mom was because I wanted her unbiased (feminist) opinion on our set up. And as I said she said X/Y leaves you a bit vulnerable, how about doing Z?
If DH had demanded I tell him what advice my mom was giving me I would have taken a very dim view of this!

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 15:33

MangshorJhol · 23/01/2025 15:29

I assure you mothers of daughters are biased too. My mother was very fond of DH but clearly clearly thought that he was punching above his weight in marrying me.
Funnily my MIL was very glad DH was marrying me. And yes she does think he’s wonderful but so did my mother!!!

Does your mother not think you are the best thing since sliced bread and that your DH is lucky to marry you?!

Exactly! Which you are making my point. So my fiancé telling his mother who naturally thinks he’s the greatest thing since slice bread is very biased in his favor and he should be aware of they fact and not go to someone will will be biased against his fiancé

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 15:34

MangshorJhol · 23/01/2025 15:32

The reason I told my mom was because I wanted her unbiased (feminist) opinion on our set up. And as I said she said X/Y leaves you a bit vulnerable, how about doing Z?
If DH had demanded I tell him what advice my mom was giving me I would have taken a very dim view of this!

So are you suggesting my fiancé shouldn’t have open communication with me and leave me in the dark about what advice his mother is giving him about OUR finances? Please tell me i misunderstood what you wrote.

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CautiousLurker01 · 23/01/2025 15:34

Am British and so is DH. I am not sure that at any stage in our 33 years his parents have known anything about his finances. We are close as a family and I discuss everything happily with my InLaws, but our finances are just not spoken off. They have no idea whatsoever how much DH earns, has saved etc. They can make an educated guess based on the house value, though.

That said I wouldn’t be in the least bit upset if DH told them - however, I know he would be if I discussed them. Beyond ‘do you need anything’ or ‘do you have enough’ he feels it’s not their business.

So, I think the issue is not that it’s cultural but it’s a boundary you’d prefer to observe. I think you are perfectly at liberty to explain that you prefer to keep your finances private. He can discuss his own (how much he earns/saves etc) if he wants to, but he’s not to discuss your financials. Ever.

My DH doesn’t call his mother (or father) pretty much ever. We have a whole family whatsapp where we share memes and pics; he fires off a private email to his dad if he wants advice. We see them twice a year for 3-7 days and had a few holidays with them when our kids were young. We love each other dearly but don’t live in each other’s pockets. I’m the person most likely to call his mum with news about the kids etc.

So I think it’s fair enough to want to assert your personal boundary on financial matters. But I’d broach this calmly with fiance and I’d keep the emotion/anger/drama out of it - just state where those boundaries are for you. And, I think that you may have others that you’ve not rubbed up against, so I do wonder whether relationship counselling isn’t wise before marriage? He DOES sound overly enmeshed with his mum and if you don’t clearly delineate with him which aspects of your life are off limits, there will be seepage. For example, if you start a family will he expect/allow her to move in briefly post birth, to ‘help’, and will he back you up if she takes over, makes remarks you feel are critical? If he gets a job offer, perhaps for an overseas move, will he discuss it with her before you, will her opinion override yours?

Finally, you talk in emotive terms about being ‘madly in love’. To me this hints at a love/relationship that is not necessarily mature. Forgive me, but it’s the way teenagers talk about love. I love my husband, yes, but the ‘madly in love’ thing was the initial buzz. I’ve never used that phrase about anyone, not even my DH. By 5 years it had matured into something else. After 33 years its deeper, based on shared values, shared history, surviving the tribulations of SEN kids and losing friends we loved dearly, joint enterprise (kids, our home, joint dreams about how will will spend our retirement years if we ever get shot of the kids, how we would support his family as they age, etc).

I wonder whether you need counselling, together, to explore precisely what you both want out of life and whether your joint goals and values genuine do mesh? And this includes understanding how his relationship with his mother dovetails with that with you.

sandyhappypeople · 23/01/2025 15:35

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 15:30

Yes you hit the nail on the head. I want to know why he isn’t involving me in something that is partly mine? Forget his mother I guess I want to know his motive in doing this. That’s what I worry about if she is going to influence him and if his decisions will be impacted by his mother’s thoughts which will yes show his mother comes before me. Or if she is going to make judgmental comments. Or if she will accept that her son is a grown man about to be married and just listen. It gives a completely different context depending on how she handles the knowledge of having this information. Will it be oh no you should do this or don’t do that or will it be a supportive response?

But you've been together 5 years.. surely you know by now what her motives are and if information has been used against you in some way, so why is it really bothering you so much now?

HollyKnight · 23/01/2025 15:36

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 15:24

I asked him what she said bc I said if she is influencing him in our relationship that’s a problem and he said she was just like oh ok.

Right so nothing happened. She didn't pry, she didn't give him advice, she didn't try to manipulate him.

Are you starting to see now that your way of looking at this is not the norm. It's not an American thing.

Are you the poster who posted before about how her MIL doesn't treat her exactly like she does her own son? That poster believed that you are supposed to treat your children's partners like they are your own children. That the relationship should be the same. That the time, money and effort spent on a DIL should be equal to a son.

MangshorJhol · 23/01/2025 15:36

Why do you assume his mom influencing him is a BAD thing? I often use my MIL to talk to DH when he’s being stubborn.

Why do you assume that him placing her at least on par with you is a bad thing? I would think very poorly of DH if he relegated his mum to 2nd best. Having said that a couple of times, I have said, oi she’s being unreasonable about X. And he’s always said, yeah let me handle it.
And vice versa. My mom has had a couple of unreasonable moments with DH when she came to stay with us and I handled it on his behalf.

This is how people in moderately healthy relationships from families that are close knit handle things. There is no hierarchy of love or affection.

Obviously if my MIL was evil and insisted that he do something harmful then I would expect him to back me up. BUT there is literally no evidence of your MIL being evil or your husband to be being a doormat.

MissHollyGolightly · 23/01/2025 15:36

I really don't see your issue. You guys have a fair and equitable setup that I would advocate for anyone and we do similar in a very rough way. I'd be happy to tell anyone that we base our finances on percentages. What's the big reveal? Also it's much more American than British to talk about money at all.
I'd also take it as a positive that he is close to his mother. That likely means he had a warm upbringing and can relate well to women. If she doesn't seem interested in you, I'd just keep trying and be friendly. It's natural a mother close to her son is going to be a little chilly--you've come between them in some fundamental way. That is just the way of things, nothing to get worked up about. Also it's very American to say he is your best friend and that is how it should be. I don't see my DH as my best friend. He's my partner in life and co-parent. Those things are different. He wouldn't be my best friend if he fell in love with someone else or I fell in love with someone else. Don't think that could never happen, it can and does every day to people who are "best friends." So life partner is something different from what you have with a true best friend.
You sound very idealistic and controlling... soz.
Whatever you do don't set it up as a her or me situation with his mother. You can not truly win that one because everyone will be a loser from it. Maybe she'll never warm up to you. That's your lot now. You love him and he loves you. You don't need to love her and she doesn't need to love you.

IhaveanewTVnow · 23/01/2025 15:36

To be honest you sound like hard work and dramatic. He has a great relationship with his mum. Leave it at that. As a mother of two sons I think that is lovely.

Naunet · 23/01/2025 15:36

I get you OP, I don't have a particularly close family, always stood on my own two feet, but I had a boyfriend for a while who was very enmeshed with his mother. They would speak on the phone every day for over an hour, she'd insist his mail was delivered to her house so she could open it, she'd ask endless questions about our finances etc. I found it suffocating. Having said that, yours doesn't sound as bad, but whilst you need to understand this is normal in some families, it's not a oneway street, he needs to understand how you feel too.

On another note though, why is all cleaning your job? I'd get that changed ASAP.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 15:36

Bigcat25 · 23/01/2025 15:29

I'm sorry if I was harsh op. I understand that it's frustrating if he hadn't stood up for you to his mom and that she hasn't made an effort, or perhaps he doesn't acknowledge this to her or ask her to treat you like a person too.

it’s ok! I guess the whole financial thing isn’t as big of an issue if his mother can handle having that information without trying to get my fiancé to change things or be biased. But my fiancé said she didn’t and I have to trust he isn’t lying to me otherwise they would be a huge problem. I was just worried about my fiancé allowing his mother to have influence over him. When our financial arrangement is more about me and him then him and his mother. I want him to give the same amount of energy he put into defending him telling his mother about our finances to telling his mother to make more of an effort with the woman he loves more than anything. Time will tell

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MangshorJhol · 23/01/2025 15:37

Yes I didn’t tell DH what financial advice my mom gave me! Why should I??? That’s between my mother and me. And god forbid if DH had turned out to be abusive that independent relationship where DH doesn’t get to find out everything would have been critical.

Ultravox · 23/01/2025 15:38

My DH tells his dad pretty much everything about our finances and he knows everything about his dad’s finances. They are both really into saving and investments and they like to run this past each others judgement. DH & I are a team financially and have been for 20 years & I don’t have a problem at all with it.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 15:39

Naunet · 23/01/2025 15:36

I get you OP, I don't have a particularly close family, always stood on my own two feet, but I had a boyfriend for a while who was very enmeshed with his mother. They would speak on the phone every day for over an hour, she'd insist his mail was delivered to her house so she could open it, she'd ask endless questions about our finances etc. I found it suffocating. Having said that, yours doesn't sound as bad, but whilst you need to understand this is normal in some families, it's not a oneway street, he needs to understand how you feel too.

On another note though, why is all cleaning your job? I'd get that changed ASAP.

Because I felt bad about being in a career that is underpaid and I don’t make nearly as much as him that I figured this was another way I could contribute on top of the other ways I financially contribute. I don’t mind at all. I realize I overreacted about him telling his mother about our finances as he told me his mother didn’t try to influence his decision. Which is the important thing to me. I’m just hurt at him because he didn’t discuss telling his mother this with me ahead of time or involve me in a conversation as his future wife about something that is also mine

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