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He told his mom details on our financial set up!

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 13:11

Heads up: this is a very long post with lots of background info.

I am a 25 year old woman old engaged to my fiancé who is a 29 year old man. We have been dating since I was 19 and he was 24. When I say we are madly in love with each other we are madly in love with each other. We are each others first relationships. We mesh together perfectly. We had a bit of a long engagement not due to any issues at all in our relationship just because I was in college and my fiance was still getting figured out in his career.

We both met when we both didn’t have a lot of money I was living at home with my parents and he was living with an older man that used to be his neighbor who was renting out a small spare bedroom. Since then we grown into our careers and adults lives together. He moved and we did long distance for 16 months until I got everything together and was ready to move together into our apartment and then we got a house. once we moved into the house together we decided to start sharing finances and viewing things as “our” money instead of “his” or “her” money. We have a joint account where we would put all the money in that goes towards necessities such as bills and home repairs and groceries and what not. Then based on percentages we would take out our respective amounts of the joint account for the necessities. We then have our own separate account which our “fun money” goes in and then another joint account of a budgeted amount that our savings goes in that we don’t touch.

Then this way we have the same amount left over for fun things such as he has his truck hobby with his pick up truck that he owns that he likes to tinker with and I get a pedicure and my hair colored now and again or dinner out with friends stuff like that. This is the obvious way to do it to me bc obviously we operate as a team and engaged and not roommates so we want to make sure each other has the same amount to “toy around with” so to speak. We weren’t nickel and diming each other. He makes a little over 2 times what I make not that I don’t work just as hard it’s just our chosen careers which we are both very passionate about happen to pay that amount.

We would base what we contribute financially based on percentage so we still have the same money left over and I wouldn’t be stuck with nothing or very little while he has a lot more left over. To us that’s what being a team and getting married means. He pays the mortgage and I pay utilities such as electric, water, internet, toilet trees, I pay for our home delivery meal service that comes for dinners 5 nights a week. I also am responsible for cleaning the house and if there are home repair issues or something needs to be renovated like for example our master bathroom recently got redone I handle all that. Finding the contractors to come out and manning the job and picking out what we want.

We never argue about money and we are both very happy with this financial set up and we both feel it’s very fair and equal. Multiple people have commented on how it’s beautiful we are so in love and have built our lives up together after meeting each other when we both basically had nothing or very little to our name and they can’t wait for us to be married.

The one thing we disagree about is his mother. I feel my fiancé involves her very heavily in his/our life. She lives 13 hours away and my fiancé is the oldest and she has 2 younger sons. She has a big family lots of friends and isn’t lonely by any stretch yet my fiance tells her at any given time the exact home repairs we are doing, if something goes wrong with our home, if we happen to have less money than expected. They talk everyday or just about and I feel like it’s a bit overbearing and strange given she isn’t lonely. I don’t meet that many adults who want their parents that heavily involved in their personal lives. I think I would cry and feel suffocated if my mom was that involved in the knowing of everything that happens. Well the icing on top of the cake for me was he told his mom our exact financial arrangement/set up. He told her how we have our accounts set up, who contributes what, who pays what. The only thing he didn’t tell her was how much we have in those accounts.

i cried when he told me this because I said finances and inlaws/family don’t mix. I said I understand you are close to your mom and fine even though I find it annoying that she has to know every detail of our lives telling her our exact financial set up is not ok. I said I’m beginning to feel like his mom is a third person in our relationship and there is no reason she needs to be privy to our finances and how we have it set up. I said a couple’s finances is between them and them alone and a possible financial advisor who is a professional and not a biased party like a parent and of course our bank. Unless his mom is giving us money which we are independent adults on our own two feet so she isn’t. So absolutely no reason she needs knowledge on our banking info. To me that hooks be common sense. My fiancé and I have such a solid and close relationship I also underneath the anger feel very hurt and betrayed that without me there or even checking with me he just told his mom all our financial info not even thinking about my feelings. For her to know about such private information I feel “exposed” not in the physical sense but the mental sense.

I said when we get married I don’t want to feel like your mom is the third person in our marriage. He did apologize and explain he told her because she was just talking about finances in general and it flowed with the conversation but I told him I was still upset and just needed some alone time. Not alone time to rethink the relationship obviously because every relationship has issues once in a great while but just time to calm down.

Im sure we can all agree that given his mom that much access into our financial set up isn’t a good idea but AIBU to be this upset and worked up over it? I just feel there needs to be boundaries especially as an adult in a serious relationship. And maybe when you’re a teenager telling your parents every little thing is fine but I don’t want his mom living in our pocket.

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Bleachbum · 24/01/2025 17:53

OP, I hope you take this small piece of advice…

You are in a power battle with your FMIL and you are both putting your fiancé in the middle. Neither of you are going to win, all 3 of you are going to suffer if this continues. The person who will suffer the most is your fiancé.

If you love him as much as you say you do, don’t put him in the middle. Don’t make it difficult for your future children to see his mother.

The best thing for you to do is to try and build a personal relationship with her. You getting engaged, getting married, having children etc doesn’t automatically make her feel like you’re her family. A close relationship where you think of each other as family needs to be built and earned.

I speak from many years of experience. Me and my MIL didn’t have the best of starts. There were quite a few unhappy years. The person that hurt most was my DH, stuck in the middle of 2 battling women who he loved.

My MIL and I eventually saw that. We spent time together just the 2 of us, plenty of long chats, and grew to respect and even love each other. We are now very close and I speak to her more often than her son does! The whole family is so much happier now. These battles take their toll on the whole family, and certainly impact any marriage.

GogAndMagog · 24/01/2025 17:58

I couldn't my get past the fact that you do all the cleaning and manage any repairs.

A partnership isn't about just the money, it's equal sharing of other things too.

He's done a number on you if you think you have to contribute in this way to make up for the fact he earns more.

Don't marry and have babies with this man.

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 17:58

@RedMentor You write very like the OP, btw. American English n all. Maybe you know each other?

RedMentor · 24/01/2025 18:01

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 17:46

Unless my MIL is FaceTiming us both, I will say hi and then remove myself from the call. That is her time with DH. I don't sit there like a lemon while they talk nor do I insert myself in their conversation.

Everything the OP says is about them being joined, being together, being tied. She must be included in everything because her partner is no longer an individual in his own right. Your family doesn't automatically include your family's family. The OP's future-MIL's family is her husband and children. Not her children's partners. My immediate family is DH and our children. My family is my parents and siblings. My in-laws aren't my family. They are my in-laws. That connection only exists while the marriage exists.

Future-MIL has been told that there won't be any holidays without the OP, nor any cards accepted without her name on it and that's fine. That is her son's boundaries. It's clear future-MIL doesn't like the OP and has no interest in treating her like a daughter. It would be interesting to know why, but with the OP's clear lack of insight she isn't going to be able to answer that. Hence why she's sticking with it being a mommy's boy enmeshment narrative even though there is no evidence of that. The OP won't be swayed. This cannot because of her. Even if it is.

It's not sitting there like a lemon to engage with your spouse's family. It's engaging as part of the family and while it exists due to marriage it's still family. Family that once I am married I become a part of so yes we are involved in each other's family and if something was that private a major health issue where my in laws wanted to talk to my husband privately I would assume that would be done through something like a phone call. People have all sorts of relationships with their in-laws it's not one size fits all and because someone chooses to engage more with their in-laws doesn't make them wrong. You choose to walk away and not engage as much as in the conversation and that's absolutely fine. Also if you are both together in the same home why would your MIL Face Time two separate phones instead of just using one device? To be fair my own family dynamic could be clouding my response. In our families once you are engaged/married you are very much a part of the family. I would find it strange during our weekly Sunday face time if my in-laws were bothered by my mere presence. I guess I am wondering what is so top secret that their DIL would need to exit herself from the conversation?

I am very close to my in-laws whenever we FaceTime every week and whenever we go over for dinners my husband and I go together. I don't think my in-laws ever in our whole marriage asked my husband not to bring me or not to share information with me.

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 18:14

I don't listen in on anyone else's calls and I don't want them listening in on mine. It has nothing to do with secrets. Maybe I just come from a world where privacy doesn't cease to exist the moment the marriage certificate is signed.

Why would MIL be FaceTiming on two seperate phones? 🥴

Tink1989 · 24/01/2025 18:22

You’re trying really hard to alienate him from his family

RedMentor · 24/01/2025 18:32

PeppyGreenFinch · 23/01/2025 13:34

Unless his mom is giving us money which we are independent adults on our own two feet so she isn’t.

She is his mum, he is allowed to share whatever he wants with her. Why are you even there anyway? Are you eavesdropping on their conversations or are you checking his emails/messages on his mobile?

You’re not married yet or have kids, so finances should be 50/50, he shouldn’t be paying more. And why would his mum give you money?!

I would advise him to give you an ultimatum to stop being controlling or he will leave.

Nope, that's a problematic mindset to have. Just because she is his mom doesn't mean she has to feel comfortable with their finances being completely out on display. Also you don't know OP's mom and neither do I like you do. Maybe MIL is the type of person who will insert her opinion and butt in where she doesn't belong and OP knows this and wants to guard and set boundaries from that happening. She deserves to have her voice heard too.

When you are in a committed relationship you have your partner's feelings to think about to and with that being some of her money she has a right to have a conversation about boundaries. She can't demand it but she can have a conversation with her partner about it and come up with some sort of compromise. To be like well too bad even though it's some of your money to I am unilaterally making the decision for the both of us is not a good mindset to have. I think OP went into the conversation guns blazing I agree with that but I think she can have some sort of conversation such as I would appreciate our exact dollar amounts being between the two of us because that involves your mom into a deeper part of our relationship where she doesn't belong is one thing and perfectly reasonable vs how OP acted and said I can't believe you told your mom anything how dare you is not acceptable and manipulative. I guess what I am trying to say it's not so much what is said although that too but how it's said.

I don't know very many people unless they are saints who would be ok with their partner listing off financial deets to their parents not because they have anything to hide but because it's not their business to know. Whether or not they are married is totally irrelevant since they do combine their finances. So you go by that standard do they combine their finances or not not if they are married or not.

No you don't get to tell her either what " should" or "shouldn't " be done in terms of finances there is no one right or wrong way it is couple dependent. Why are you the ultimate decision maker what's right or wrong for a couple to handle their finances? If you choose to wait until marriage that's your call but OP didn't ask if you agree with their financial set up she asked if she was overreacting to her fiance telling his mom their financial set up. They are in the next phase of their relationship they bought a home together and married in a matter of months it makes perfect sense to join everything when the home is shared.

Maybe he wants his wife to start off in the marriage feeling like she is on equal footing with him? Maybe he doesn't want his partner to struggle financially with being able to accrue savings because he making over two times what she makes has a lot more disposable income where she can barely stay a float. I would actually argue the opposite of you and say any man who is a halfway decent loving partner would NOT want that for his partner and would not agree that just because he happens to make 2.5 times what she makes despite them both working full time and he probably knows her field is underpaid mean he should live high on the hog while she barely accrues any savings. If you are agreeing to marry someone you agree to love them and view them as a partner and not want to see them struggle so any man who would allow the woman he loves to have this setup is not a man worth marrying. In fact many many posters said for a couple in a serious relationship this is actually a very smart and good financial set up and how many couples do it so not sure why you are arguing against it despite being told it's completely normal.

Funny how you bitch that the dollar amount isn't split exactly 50/50 but you have no problem with all the household labor not being split 50/50 but rather being 100/0 with OP doing all the cleaning, cooking, home repairs, and renovations. But funny enough you completely overlooked that part of the deal where he is making out like a king sitting on his ass while she cleans their whole house.

Hell yeah the least this "man" could do in all the time he has to make these daily phone calls to his mother and give her open access to his finances is help his fiance and lift a finger cleaning and cooking once in a while. So yes the least he could do it be generous enough to let her accrue some savings.

RedMentor · 24/01/2025 18:36

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 17:58

@RedMentor You write very like the OP, btw. American English n all. Maybe you know each other?

I am American as well and to my knowledge don't know the OP. Athough I do find it tends to be a very small world out there so maybe I do and don't know it.

Spirallingdownwards · 24/01/2025 18:36

Tink1989 · 24/01/2025 18:22

You’re trying really hard to alienate him from his family

Really that is your take? Mine is that the MIL is being extremely toxic and exclusionary and risks driving the son away if she continues to attempt to alienate his fiancee with whom he has been in a 6 year relationship.

RedMentor · 24/01/2025 18:38

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 18:14

I don't listen in on anyone else's calls and I don't want them listening in on mine. It has nothing to do with secrets. Maybe I just come from a world where privacy doesn't cease to exist the moment the marriage certificate is signed.

Why would MIL be FaceTiming on two seperate phones? 🥴

I guess I don't view myself as anyone. We are family and I guess I figure my in laws don't mind during on Sunday weekly chats if I am on there. Oh trust me their family isn't that exciting that there would be anything that would need to be kept top secret. My husband is my husband so obviously I am sure he isn't telling his parents anything he doesn't want me to know as that would be weird. Unless it's my birthday or something and he is planning some sort of surprise.

RedMentor · 24/01/2025 18:44

Spirallingdownwards · 24/01/2025 18:36

Really that is your take? Mine is that the MIL is being extremely toxic and exclusionary and risks driving the son away if she continues to attempt to alienate his fiancee with whom he has been in a 6 year relationship.

My read exactly. The first sign being when her son told her not to exclude his fiance from vacation is to manipulate him by crying and telling him he might regret it later on because blood is thicker than water. Belittling the importance his fiance has in his life because they don't share blood despite the hypocrisy that her husband who isn't her blood or her children's blood can go. Good for the son for finally growing a pair (took long enough 6 years) and standing up to his mom on behalf of his fiance. If they been together 6 years and his mom is still acting like this that shows his fiance hasn't done what he should have been long ago which is defending her to his mom otherwise given how attached she is to her grown son she would definitely adjust and fix her ways as not to upset him.

She is only driving her own son away and if I am the DIL I will always remember how my MIL made me feel at the very beginning and show she didn't exactly welcome me with open arms. That type of stuff tends to stick with people.

Tink1989 · 24/01/2025 18:52

Spirallingdownwards · 24/01/2025 18:36

Really that is your take? Mine is that the MIL is being extremely toxic and exclusionary and risks driving the son away if she continues to attempt to alienate his fiancee with whom he has been in a 6 year relationship.

Yep that’s my take

RedMentor · 24/01/2025 18:53

OP. Please, please , please get yourself over to the DWILs chat forum. They are very harsh but they don't mess around when it comes to in-law issues they will give it to you straight. Including telling your soon to be husband to get off his mother's breast and put you first and to set boundaries! Warning they do use phrases like dumb ole husband when a man is acting like a momma's boy and they help you program that behavior out of him when he was raised in a toxic environment where he was trained to be overly enmeshed with his mother. I am not saying those phrases are ok but they will basically tell you your husband can't act married to two people or be in the middle that his side should always be with you as his wife.

Spirallingdownwards · 24/01/2025 18:55

Tink1989 · 24/01/2025 18:52

Yep that’s my take

Different strokes for different folks.

Tourmalines · 24/01/2025 18:55

Growlybear83 · 24/01/2025 15:09

I think you should be very cautious about having g counselling OP. You're likely to hear things that you don't want to hear, and if you behave in the way you have on this thread, the counselling session will be something of an eye opener to him. There's no way the poor fiancé will go through with this wedding. 😆😆😆

😂

Completelyjo · 24/01/2025 18:56

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:03

Saturday, June 21st of this year. I made a typo and said 2026 by mistake but it’s this year.

So the June 2026 was apparently a typo, but how did you see his mother every weekend for 4 years, but he also moved 13 hours away from both you and his mother for a year and a half, and then you’ve also lived with him for 3. How does that total your 5 year relationship?
You seem to be a bit liberal with both the truth and dates.

Completelyjo · 24/01/2025 18:58

Two posters who struggle to find a comma or a full stop between them. Interesting.

PeppyGreenFinch · 24/01/2025 19:05

@RedMentor

Oh trust me their family isn't that exciting that there would be anything that would need to be kept top secret.

Wow are you and OP from the same US state? She loves saying ‘trust me’ on this thread too:

‘Trust me men aren’t victims near as much as women are.’

’Trust me I see this play out everyday in the classroom.’

‘Trust me men aren’t victims here.’

SomethingStinky · 24/01/2025 19:11

PeppyGreenFinch · 24/01/2025 19:05

@RedMentor

Oh trust me their family isn't that exciting that there would be anything that would need to be kept top secret.

Wow are you and OP from the same US state? She loves saying ‘trust me’ on this thread too:

‘Trust me men aren’t victims near as much as women are.’

’Trust me I see this play out everyday in the classroom.’

‘Trust me men aren’t victims here.’

The persistent verbal diarrhoea, word salad and that Red made her first ever post on Mumsnet at 3 something AM means I think this is one of the most blatant and ridiculous attempts at sock puppeting going.

SomethingStinky · 24/01/2025 19:17

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:03

We haven’t been away in a while so I suggested we put it towards a weekend get away and it covered the whole thing. His mom got angry at that. And her partner can turn up everywhere? Again he is an adult paying for his portion of the vacation adults vacationing together should all get a say so controlling to label it a family vacation when a member of the family (family to my fiancé as his soon to be wife) isn’t invited. She wasn’t thinking this could put her son in a really bad position of having to choose between his mother and his fiance or now that’s less PTO they have to use together. We don’t have an endless amount of PTO either

Can I get this timeline straight on the money please. From my reading of it:

  1. F opens Christmas card and notices/you notice it's addressed only to you.
  2. he raises this with your mum and she says it's because it contains a cheque that is a money gift for him to spend at Christmas on himself.
  3. your F says that's not appropriate and you should have been on the card. Argument ensues.
  4. you, knowing that his mum intended it as a gift for him (because she'd just said so), suggested (I'm her presence) that it be spent on a weekend away for both of you.

To me, it's therefore that she gave him a gift for him, that you then immediately swooped in on, told him what to spend it on, and for it to be something that would benefit you.

I cannot stress how inappropriate that was of you. It's his money, if he chooses to spend it on a weekend for you both, that's his call and should be at his suggestion, not yours.

I can see why she might no like you.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 24/01/2025 19:28

RedMentor · 24/01/2025 18:53

OP. Please, please , please get yourself over to the DWILs chat forum. They are very harsh but they don't mess around when it comes to in-law issues they will give it to you straight. Including telling your soon to be husband to get off his mother's breast and put you first and to set boundaries! Warning they do use phrases like dumb ole husband when a man is acting like a momma's boy and they help you program that behavior out of him when he was raised in a toxic environment where he was trained to be overly enmeshed with his mother. I am not saying those phrases are ok but they will basically tell you your husband can't act married to two people or be in the middle that his side should always be with you as his wife.

She said she has already posted there and everyone was on her side.

I'm surprised you didn't recognize this post?

Is everyone so verbose on DWIL?

A lot of words but little substance

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 19:36

SomethingStinky · 24/01/2025 19:17

Can I get this timeline straight on the money please. From my reading of it:

  1. F opens Christmas card and notices/you notice it's addressed only to you.
  2. he raises this with your mum and she says it's because it contains a cheque that is a money gift for him to spend at Christmas on himself.
  3. your F says that's not appropriate and you should have been on the card. Argument ensues.
  4. you, knowing that his mum intended it as a gift for him (because she'd just said so), suggested (I'm her presence) that it be spent on a weekend away for both of you.

To me, it's therefore that she gave him a gift for him, that you then immediately swooped in on, told him what to spend it on, and for it to be something that would benefit you.

I cannot stress how inappropriate that was of you. It's his money, if he chooses to spend it on a weekend for you both, that's his call and should be at his suggestion, not yours.

I can see why she might no like you.

She lives 13 hours away so no I wasn’t around her when this happened I just said I know we haven’t been away just the two of us and this is perfect we haven’t been away. And just because his mother asked him rudely not to share it with me doesn’t mean he has to. If he listened to his mother’s request instead of sharing it together as a couple I would worry that he was listening to his mother’s requests and that would be worrisome for our future bc in what other ways in our future would he listen to her wants over mine?

You don’t think it was inappropriate of her to complain that he used it for a trip and to put stipulations on how he should use a gift? Money is interchangeable it makes complete sense for someone to share that with their partner.

She gets upset that he called her out on the gift and gets mad that I somehow benefited from it. I didn’t use it all for myself but think about the craziness of that she actually got mad that I got something out of it. And she excludes me from this trip. Obviously this is very pointed.

my parents have always made things equal between me and my partner on the holidays. Cards was addressed to both of us and she goes my fiancé as part of the family.

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 19:38

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 24/01/2025 19:28

She said she has already posted there and everyone was on her side.

I'm surprised you didn't recognize this post?

Is everyone so verbose on DWIL?

A lot of words but little substance

I did post on there and got lots of backing. I literally copied and pasted the post so not sure what difference is there from that forum to this one when I’m presenting the exact same scenarios.

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Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 24/01/2025 19:42

What is it you are worried about?

According to you your relationship is perfect and he constantly calls her out on being rude to you.

So what's the problem?

She didn't ask about your finances. It doesn't even sound like she cares about your finances.

What's the issue?

reichs79 · 24/01/2025 19:56

OP to put it simply:-

Leave the poor guy and maybe your verbal diarrhoea will stop. You're just rehashing the same thing again and again

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