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He told his mom details on our financial set up!

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 13:11

Heads up: this is a very long post with lots of background info.

I am a 25 year old woman old engaged to my fiancé who is a 29 year old man. We have been dating since I was 19 and he was 24. When I say we are madly in love with each other we are madly in love with each other. We are each others first relationships. We mesh together perfectly. We had a bit of a long engagement not due to any issues at all in our relationship just because I was in college and my fiance was still getting figured out in his career.

We both met when we both didn’t have a lot of money I was living at home with my parents and he was living with an older man that used to be his neighbor who was renting out a small spare bedroom. Since then we grown into our careers and adults lives together. He moved and we did long distance for 16 months until I got everything together and was ready to move together into our apartment and then we got a house. once we moved into the house together we decided to start sharing finances and viewing things as “our” money instead of “his” or “her” money. We have a joint account where we would put all the money in that goes towards necessities such as bills and home repairs and groceries and what not. Then based on percentages we would take out our respective amounts of the joint account for the necessities. We then have our own separate account which our “fun money” goes in and then another joint account of a budgeted amount that our savings goes in that we don’t touch.

Then this way we have the same amount left over for fun things such as he has his truck hobby with his pick up truck that he owns that he likes to tinker with and I get a pedicure and my hair colored now and again or dinner out with friends stuff like that. This is the obvious way to do it to me bc obviously we operate as a team and engaged and not roommates so we want to make sure each other has the same amount to “toy around with” so to speak. We weren’t nickel and diming each other. He makes a little over 2 times what I make not that I don’t work just as hard it’s just our chosen careers which we are both very passionate about happen to pay that amount.

We would base what we contribute financially based on percentage so we still have the same money left over and I wouldn’t be stuck with nothing or very little while he has a lot more left over. To us that’s what being a team and getting married means. He pays the mortgage and I pay utilities such as electric, water, internet, toilet trees, I pay for our home delivery meal service that comes for dinners 5 nights a week. I also am responsible for cleaning the house and if there are home repair issues or something needs to be renovated like for example our master bathroom recently got redone I handle all that. Finding the contractors to come out and manning the job and picking out what we want.

We never argue about money and we are both very happy with this financial set up and we both feel it’s very fair and equal. Multiple people have commented on how it’s beautiful we are so in love and have built our lives up together after meeting each other when we both basically had nothing or very little to our name and they can’t wait for us to be married.

The one thing we disagree about is his mother. I feel my fiancé involves her very heavily in his/our life. She lives 13 hours away and my fiancé is the oldest and she has 2 younger sons. She has a big family lots of friends and isn’t lonely by any stretch yet my fiance tells her at any given time the exact home repairs we are doing, if something goes wrong with our home, if we happen to have less money than expected. They talk everyday or just about and I feel like it’s a bit overbearing and strange given she isn’t lonely. I don’t meet that many adults who want their parents that heavily involved in their personal lives. I think I would cry and feel suffocated if my mom was that involved in the knowing of everything that happens. Well the icing on top of the cake for me was he told his mom our exact financial arrangement/set up. He told her how we have our accounts set up, who contributes what, who pays what. The only thing he didn’t tell her was how much we have in those accounts.

i cried when he told me this because I said finances and inlaws/family don’t mix. I said I understand you are close to your mom and fine even though I find it annoying that she has to know every detail of our lives telling her our exact financial set up is not ok. I said I’m beginning to feel like his mom is a third person in our relationship and there is no reason she needs to be privy to our finances and how we have it set up. I said a couple’s finances is between them and them alone and a possible financial advisor who is a professional and not a biased party like a parent and of course our bank. Unless his mom is giving us money which we are independent adults on our own two feet so she isn’t. So absolutely no reason she needs knowledge on our banking info. To me that hooks be common sense. My fiancé and I have such a solid and close relationship I also underneath the anger feel very hurt and betrayed that without me there or even checking with me he just told his mom all our financial info not even thinking about my feelings. For her to know about such private information I feel “exposed” not in the physical sense but the mental sense.

I said when we get married I don’t want to feel like your mom is the third person in our marriage. He did apologize and explain he told her because she was just talking about finances in general and it flowed with the conversation but I told him I was still upset and just needed some alone time. Not alone time to rethink the relationship obviously because every relationship has issues once in a great while but just time to calm down.

Im sure we can all agree that given his mom that much access into our financial set up isn’t a good idea but AIBU to be this upset and worked up over it? I just feel there needs to be boundaries especially as an adult in a serious relationship. And maybe when you’re a teenager telling your parents every little thing is fine but I don’t want his mom living in our pocket.

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HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 16:01

You're leaving out the bit where she explains why she doesn't like you and why she doesn't want to go on vacation with you. The bit where she list all your past behaviour and how she can't even have a Skype/Facetime call with her son without you being part of it.

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 16:02

The things your own mother has pulled you up on.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:03

Abracadabra12345 · 24/01/2025 15:56

So what date is the wedding, just out of interest?

Saturday, June 21st of this year. I made a typo and said 2026 by mistake but it’s this year.

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:03

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 16:02

The things your own mother has pulled you up on.

What??

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:04

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 16:01

You're leaving out the bit where she explains why she doesn't like you and why she doesn't want to go on vacation with you. The bit where she list all your past behaviour and how she can't even have a Skype/Facetime call with her son without you being part of it.

Wrong thread? I mentioned nothing about Skype or FaceTime.

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the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 16:05

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:58

“I addressed a Christmas card with cash only to my son I have never addressed a card that included his fiancé’s as well and my son got upset and said he can’t accept a Christmas card with a cash gift unless it includes the woman he is about to marry and I told him he might regret it one day as blood is thicker than water.”

”I also planned a family vacation with my three sons and my husband who is their step father but didn’t enter their life until my oldest son was 18 but when my son asked if his soon to be wife could he invited I told him no and when he mentioned well my partner is invited I said well of course that’s different and when he said well I’m not going on what is being labeled as a family vacation without my fiancé bc I consider her part of my immediate family and I said again well you might regret it bc blood is thicker than water.“

I know the majority of the responses would say something along the lines of stop making your son choose your very own son who you so clearly love very much is telling you himself to include the woman he is about to marry and you keep doubling down and telling him no but when it comes down to it as they are engaged to be married he will choose her and if you want a relationship with any kids they may have in the future you should include her as she will be the mother of your GC and your DIL.

I very much doubt any of the responses will say continue excluding her that’s a smart move and bodes well for the future. Continue doubling down and don’t listen to what your son is telling you.

Edited

Except she wouldn’t write that OP, that’s your take on what happened not hers.

I imagine while those two things might be mentioned she would have her own stories and perspectives.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:06

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:04

Wrong thread? I mentioned nothing about Skype or FaceTime.

And for the record whenever my parents FaceTimed my dad’s parents they never felt the need to secretly pull my dad to the side and exclude my mom or us. We live in the same house if I’m around should I not say hi to my FMIL? Or should I run in the other room. Trying to figure out how that would work logistically when living together?

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:06

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 16:05

Except she wouldn’t write that OP, that’s your take on what happened not hers.

I imagine while those two things might be mentioned she would have her own stories and perspectives.

Edited

Then what would she write?

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HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 16:07

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:04

Wrong thread? I mentioned nothing about Skype or FaceTime.

Yes you did.

I’m not a stranger though. We used to see her almost every weekend for 4 years straight before we moved away. And when we face time we face time together. Hardly a stranger.

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 16:10

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:03

What??

You have a terrible memory. You said your parents tell you when you are being an idiot with him.

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 16:10

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:06

Then what would she write?

Well I don’t know the woman OP but I hardly expect her to say exactly what you think she did as you see it.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:14

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 16:07

Yes you did.

I’m not a stranger though. We used to see her almost every weekend for 4 years straight before we moved away. And when we face time we face time together. Hardly a stranger.

that was so far back I forgot about that. You really remembered that one comment and tucked it away to throw it in my face later? All because I mention we FaceTime together. You took that to mean they never FaceTime alone. Way to twist things to fit a narrative you want to paint. What’s wrong with that? Do you not pop on to say hi when you FaceTime with your spouse’s family. You just completely ignore them? You were all asking what ways do I build a relationship with his mother and how I reach out well we live 13 hours away don’t see her in person much so this is my way of building a relationship with her. In a house FaceTime is loud am I supposed to run in the other room and completely ignore my FMIL. Everything is supposed
to be top FBI secret . I’m his partner we live together of course I’m going to be in my own home. Again my paternal grandparents would face time my mom and me and my sister (the grandkids) would always pop on to say hi. My mom and all of us would have found it strange if these conversations needed to be secret with my father. FaceTime is kind of a group centered activity. Phone calls are more private

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:16

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 16:10

You have a terrible memory. You said your parents tell you when you are being an idiot with him.

I just didn’t know what that expression meant.

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HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 16:20

Yeah so maybe he talked to his own mum about the things you did that your own parents don't think is right and that is why she doesn't like you. No mother is going to feel particularly warm to someone being bad towards their child.

MILLYmo0se · 24/01/2025 16:26

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:18

Because according to others on here I’m horrible because he makes more than me.

and because the mortgage is the most expensive bill so it evens it out a bit more of if I get all the utilities plus groceries and internet. We are happy and comfortable with this arrangement and it never caused issues for us.

Edited

So what's the joint account for then?

justasking111 · 24/01/2025 16:34

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:01

It’s just odd to me. That’s how affairs start getting emotionally close to another woman who isn’t his relative. You want a woman’s perspective that’s what you have female relatives and your wife for. Again what could some other woman ( not a relative) give my man that I can’t.

Peace and quiet?

Mymanyellow · 24/01/2025 16:36

So dramatic. Just slow your roll.

saraclara · 24/01/2025 16:36

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:06

Then what would she write?

"I sent my son a sum of money for his Christmas present and put it in a Christmas card addressed to him. His fiancée has kicked off because the card wasn't addressed to her as well. But it was my present to my son! Now I wish I'd just put it in an envelope without the card"

Spirallingdownwards · 24/01/2025 16:49

I remember a comment my exMIL made 41 years ago that was hurtful still. When something is hurtful it stays with you.

@ThisQuickJadeWasp I think it may be time to step away from the thread now as I don't think the constant pounding from those who haven't ever encountered toxic inlaws is helping. Do try the counselling and hopefully between you and your fiance you will find a peaceful place in how to handle the future MIL in the context of your relationship together.

Mountainpika · 24/01/2025 16:52

Haven't read it all but a couple's finances are absolutely nothing to do with any other person unless there's a very good reason. In this case, it's none of MIL's business at all. I certainly don't ask or expect my adult sons to tell me all about their and their wife's/partner's financial situation.

RedMentor · 24/01/2025 17:02

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 16:07

Yes you did.

I’m not a stranger though. We used to see her almost every weekend for 4 years straight before we moved away. And when we face time we face time together. Hardly a stranger.

That't not a fair argument to make. She never said they never face time alone. She made a mundane comment in answer to another question that was asked by her which was asking how many times she met her FMIL and what their relationship was like. She was providing an answer to that question of how well she knows her FMIL and what she has done to build a relationship with her. Showing she is making an effort. She can't win with some of these comments. She was asked multiple times what she has done to build a relationship with her FMIL and how she needs to build a relationship before she can ask to be included in other things which is a fair statement to make and she mentions well actually I have built or at least tried to build a relationship with her by face timing and it's thrown in her face 30 pages later.

So which one is it exactly, she shouldn't foster a relationship with her MIL or she should? Can't have it both ways. It's like you dug that old comment out of thing air to prove some sort of false point that you are trying to make. Because I can almost guarantee if she said she never says hi during face time or pops on she would be called cold and told well you ignore her during the face time calls and you live with her son yet you never pop on to say hi clearly you aren't trying to get to know or build a relationship wit her.

If you want a private conversation with your child a phone call is more of a private way of communication face time is much louder, your face is seen, is generally something where you risk other people being around since you can see into their own home. I am confused at how that's even supposed to work. Her FMIL facetimes or her son FaceTime her and her DIL is supposed to immediately get up and walk out of the room because again FaceTime is a communication platform where you can see directly into the person's home. Then is her fiance supposed to let her know Ok I am done face timing my mom now please feel free to come back into the room?

I am married (I don't want to hear well she isn't married because it's irrelevant they live together they are a couple and are getting married in the very near future) and have been married for 10 years now and we have 2 children. I tell people in casual conversation all the time, "yes at 7 PM every Sunday we FaceTime with my in-laws." I would think they have gone mad if they took it as me saying I never let my husband FaceTime his parents alone. That isn't the case at all as I live far away from my in-laws and this is our way to be involved in their life and their grandchildren's life. It's a beautiful way to bond with family and it never once crossed my mind that they would be bothered by my mere presence on face time. Guess I shouldn't be present during these weekly scheduled calls despite that it's my home too. I would also find it strange if my in-laws asked me not to be a part of these calls as I am a member of their family as well.

Now throughout the week my husband calls his parents on his way home from work so if there is something they want to discuss privately with him that's the time they would do it but again I don't think of face time as being a particular cryptic private communication platform but more family based.

Now all that being said, yes I definitely agree with you that the OP needs to dial it wayyyy back with the possessiveness over her fiance but that doesn't mean any actions she make is inherently wrong and needs to be picked apart and scrutinized. She shouldn't be upset at her husband talking everyday to his mother and she shouldn't be upset by a personal gift a mother wants to give her son I will absolutely give you that but something that has the word family in it where the whole family is invited such as a wedding, trip, vacation, dinner yes a fiance is by most standards especially when they live together and the wedding is in a matter of a few months considered part of a social unit for things like that and should be invited accordingly to things that fall under the umbrella of family.

So she was actually right to call that out and her partner was 100% right to say no it's rude to exclude her. This isn't a solo mother son casual dinner. This is a full trip and they probably have very limited PTO given their ages so yes the ship has sailed to leaving out a fiance on something that is labeled family. You can't turn back the clock to when your children were little. Sorry but at this stage from here on out trips need to include her. They aren't they are adults and about to be married in 5 months it's appallingly rude to not include her in the count as part of the family. I would even argue and say that once a couple moves in together they are a packaged deal for family holidays/trips/vacations but I realize that can be a bit more nuanced depending upon who you ask but after engagement definitely.

RedMentor · 24/01/2025 17:06

saraclara · 24/01/2025 16:36

"I sent my son a sum of money for his Christmas present and put it in a Christmas card addressed to him. His fiancée has kicked off because the card wasn't addressed to her as well. But it was my present to my son! Now I wish I'd just put it in an envelope without the card"

But the son himself brought it to his mother's attention not his fiance! Yes she is entitled to give just her son any money she wants but let's not blame her. The words still came directly out of her son's mouth and he himself is responsible for the words coming out of his mouth. If he didn't agree with his fiance he shouldn't have said it. So that's on him.

I don't want to hear but the evil DIL made him do it. She can't MAKE him do anything. It's not the evil vagina owner with her magical vagina powers making him do this. Let's stop blaming women for the actions of men.

Do you ever think he wanted his fiance included?

Itisjustmyopinion · 24/01/2025 17:18

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:01

It’s just odd to me. That’s how affairs start getting emotionally close to another woman who isn’t his relative. You want a woman’s perspective that’s what you have female relatives and your wife for. Again what could some other woman ( not a relative) give my man that I can’t.

Nonsense and if that’s your think it’s another example of your immaturity

Men and woman can be friends, best friends even, without there being an affair or emotional connection that crosses a line. One of my best friends is a guy and funnily enough my husband and his wife have no issues with it because we are all grown up, mature adults who know that people don’t just jump into bed with each other because they are the opposite sex

And to ask what we can give each other, well the same as a same sex friendship I guess. Different points of view on problems, a chance to gossip or talk about shared interests and yes sometimes a chance to vent about our partner because as much as you think you have the perfect relationship there will be times when you get frustrated and you need an outlet to express that frustration

RedMentor · 24/01/2025 17:21

Spirallingdownwards · 24/01/2025 16:49

I remember a comment my exMIL made 41 years ago that was hurtful still. When something is hurtful it stays with you.

@ThisQuickJadeWasp I think it may be time to step away from the thread now as I don't think the constant pounding from those who haven't ever encountered toxic inlaws is helping. Do try the counselling and hopefully between you and your fiance you will find a peaceful place in how to handle the future MIL in the context of your relationship together.

I am at a loss for words that so many posters are failing to see that maybe the OP pushing back so hard is due to her FMIL excluding her so much. I mean I would start to push back to if I was treated terribly by my spouse's family. Who knows what came first really. Did the FMIL start acting like this because of her FDIL's behavior or did the OP start acting like this because her FMIL was never welcoming to her and cold as ice to her?

It does read like the FMIL still sees her son's (well at least OP's fiance not sure about the others) as a single man or more like a 16 year old boy who is in some young relationship rather than respecting him as a man about to be married.

The only thing I am with the FMIL is the cash gift as no one else is entitled to a cash gift but the other things the knowing every detail about her son's life, the constant daily phone calls, telling her son not to bring his fiance on a trip.

I am curious about one thing though. Is his mother making him feel obligated to these daily phone calls meaning in other words if he gets busy and skips a day will she guilt him about it or will he feel guilty. I am curious if he did take a break for a day or two how that would play out. Did she instill this enmeshed dynamic in him in a young age and he can't break out of it. It does seem like he went from one overbearing woman in his life to possibly another.

OP please please rush to pre marital counseling like yesterday as this can only get worse. Marriage isn't a magic cure for all that will make his mother suddenly recognize the important role you play in her son's life.

I went to premarital counseling myself and one of the biggest things that was stressed was viewing yourself as a team and a unit wherever you go. And you need to have each other's back first and foremost. I know this comment will get some people's back up but yes when you marry your wife absolutely comes before your mother in day to day life. If you have the choice of upsetting your mom or your wife your wife shouldn't be the one to lose out. Trust and believe OP from your MIL's already manipulative tactics that she has shown to get her way this won't be the last time your fiance is made to choose and he should choose you each and every time. He is making lifelong vows to you not his mother.

You guys are starting your life together and when it comes down to it can you trust that your husband will be a unit with you first and foremost and a family with you. Will he back you up when his mother excludes you on mother's day but acknowledges him on father's day? Will he back you up when she continues to do little things to exclude you day to day? when she ignores your birthday but lavishes him with nice things will he speak up? When she excludes you from yet another family holiday because you aren't her blood despite that you are your husband's family and blood doesn't make up family? Will she undermine you as your children's mother? How about when she excludes you from family pictures that your children are in will your husband have your back?

I am not saying he won't back you up in all these cases I am just laying out based on your MIL's previous behaviors all the possibilities. If she is still excluding you to the degree she is this close to marriage her personality isn't going to magically change to where she suddenly magically starts having an inclusive attitude after marriage. I know you love your fiance very much and that's wonderful it really is but please look at the big picture.

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 17:46

RedMentor · 24/01/2025 17:02

That't not a fair argument to make. She never said they never face time alone. She made a mundane comment in answer to another question that was asked by her which was asking how many times she met her FMIL and what their relationship was like. She was providing an answer to that question of how well she knows her FMIL and what she has done to build a relationship with her. Showing she is making an effort. She can't win with some of these comments. She was asked multiple times what she has done to build a relationship with her FMIL and how she needs to build a relationship before she can ask to be included in other things which is a fair statement to make and she mentions well actually I have built or at least tried to build a relationship with her by face timing and it's thrown in her face 30 pages later.

So which one is it exactly, she shouldn't foster a relationship with her MIL or she should? Can't have it both ways. It's like you dug that old comment out of thing air to prove some sort of false point that you are trying to make. Because I can almost guarantee if she said she never says hi during face time or pops on she would be called cold and told well you ignore her during the face time calls and you live with her son yet you never pop on to say hi clearly you aren't trying to get to know or build a relationship wit her.

If you want a private conversation with your child a phone call is more of a private way of communication face time is much louder, your face is seen, is generally something where you risk other people being around since you can see into their own home. I am confused at how that's even supposed to work. Her FMIL facetimes or her son FaceTime her and her DIL is supposed to immediately get up and walk out of the room because again FaceTime is a communication platform where you can see directly into the person's home. Then is her fiance supposed to let her know Ok I am done face timing my mom now please feel free to come back into the room?

I am married (I don't want to hear well she isn't married because it's irrelevant they live together they are a couple and are getting married in the very near future) and have been married for 10 years now and we have 2 children. I tell people in casual conversation all the time, "yes at 7 PM every Sunday we FaceTime with my in-laws." I would think they have gone mad if they took it as me saying I never let my husband FaceTime his parents alone. That isn't the case at all as I live far away from my in-laws and this is our way to be involved in their life and their grandchildren's life. It's a beautiful way to bond with family and it never once crossed my mind that they would be bothered by my mere presence on face time. Guess I shouldn't be present during these weekly scheduled calls despite that it's my home too. I would also find it strange if my in-laws asked me not to be a part of these calls as I am a member of their family as well.

Now throughout the week my husband calls his parents on his way home from work so if there is something they want to discuss privately with him that's the time they would do it but again I don't think of face time as being a particular cryptic private communication platform but more family based.

Now all that being said, yes I definitely agree with you that the OP needs to dial it wayyyy back with the possessiveness over her fiance but that doesn't mean any actions she make is inherently wrong and needs to be picked apart and scrutinized. She shouldn't be upset at her husband talking everyday to his mother and she shouldn't be upset by a personal gift a mother wants to give her son I will absolutely give you that but something that has the word family in it where the whole family is invited such as a wedding, trip, vacation, dinner yes a fiance is by most standards especially when they live together and the wedding is in a matter of a few months considered part of a social unit for things like that and should be invited accordingly to things that fall under the umbrella of family.

So she was actually right to call that out and her partner was 100% right to say no it's rude to exclude her. This isn't a solo mother son casual dinner. This is a full trip and they probably have very limited PTO given their ages so yes the ship has sailed to leaving out a fiance on something that is labeled family. You can't turn back the clock to when your children were little. Sorry but at this stage from here on out trips need to include her. They aren't they are adults and about to be married in 5 months it's appallingly rude to not include her in the count as part of the family. I would even argue and say that once a couple moves in together they are a packaged deal for family holidays/trips/vacations but I realize that can be a bit more nuanced depending upon who you ask but after engagement definitely.

Unless my MIL is FaceTiming us both, I will say hi and then remove myself from the call. That is her time with DH. I don't sit there like a lemon while they talk nor do I insert myself in their conversation.

Everything the OP says is about them being joined, being together, being tied. She must be included in everything because her partner is no longer an individual in his own right. Your family doesn't automatically include your family's family. The OP's future-MIL's family is her husband and children. Not her children's partners. My immediate family is DH and our children. My family is my parents and siblings. My in-laws aren't my family. They are my in-laws. That connection only exists while the marriage exists.

Future-MIL has been told that there won't be any holidays without the OP, nor any cards accepted without her name on it and that's fine. That is her son's boundaries. It's clear future-MIL doesn't like the OP and has no interest in treating her like a daughter. It would be interesting to know why, but with the OP's clear lack of insight she isn't going to be able to answer that. Hence why she's sticking with it being a mommy's boy enmeshment narrative even though there is no evidence of that. The OP won't be swayed. This cannot because of her. Even if it is.

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