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He told his mom details on our financial set up!

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 13:11

Heads up: this is a very long post with lots of background info.

I am a 25 year old woman old engaged to my fiancé who is a 29 year old man. We have been dating since I was 19 and he was 24. When I say we are madly in love with each other we are madly in love with each other. We are each others first relationships. We mesh together perfectly. We had a bit of a long engagement not due to any issues at all in our relationship just because I was in college and my fiance was still getting figured out in his career.

We both met when we both didn’t have a lot of money I was living at home with my parents and he was living with an older man that used to be his neighbor who was renting out a small spare bedroom. Since then we grown into our careers and adults lives together. He moved and we did long distance for 16 months until I got everything together and was ready to move together into our apartment and then we got a house. once we moved into the house together we decided to start sharing finances and viewing things as “our” money instead of “his” or “her” money. We have a joint account where we would put all the money in that goes towards necessities such as bills and home repairs and groceries and what not. Then based on percentages we would take out our respective amounts of the joint account for the necessities. We then have our own separate account which our “fun money” goes in and then another joint account of a budgeted amount that our savings goes in that we don’t touch.

Then this way we have the same amount left over for fun things such as he has his truck hobby with his pick up truck that he owns that he likes to tinker with and I get a pedicure and my hair colored now and again or dinner out with friends stuff like that. This is the obvious way to do it to me bc obviously we operate as a team and engaged and not roommates so we want to make sure each other has the same amount to “toy around with” so to speak. We weren’t nickel and diming each other. He makes a little over 2 times what I make not that I don’t work just as hard it’s just our chosen careers which we are both very passionate about happen to pay that amount.

We would base what we contribute financially based on percentage so we still have the same money left over and I wouldn’t be stuck with nothing or very little while he has a lot more left over. To us that’s what being a team and getting married means. He pays the mortgage and I pay utilities such as electric, water, internet, toilet trees, I pay for our home delivery meal service that comes for dinners 5 nights a week. I also am responsible for cleaning the house and if there are home repair issues or something needs to be renovated like for example our master bathroom recently got redone I handle all that. Finding the contractors to come out and manning the job and picking out what we want.

We never argue about money and we are both very happy with this financial set up and we both feel it’s very fair and equal. Multiple people have commented on how it’s beautiful we are so in love and have built our lives up together after meeting each other when we both basically had nothing or very little to our name and they can’t wait for us to be married.

The one thing we disagree about is his mother. I feel my fiancé involves her very heavily in his/our life. She lives 13 hours away and my fiancé is the oldest and she has 2 younger sons. She has a big family lots of friends and isn’t lonely by any stretch yet my fiance tells her at any given time the exact home repairs we are doing, if something goes wrong with our home, if we happen to have less money than expected. They talk everyday or just about and I feel like it’s a bit overbearing and strange given she isn’t lonely. I don’t meet that many adults who want their parents that heavily involved in their personal lives. I think I would cry and feel suffocated if my mom was that involved in the knowing of everything that happens. Well the icing on top of the cake for me was he told his mom our exact financial arrangement/set up. He told her how we have our accounts set up, who contributes what, who pays what. The only thing he didn’t tell her was how much we have in those accounts.

i cried when he told me this because I said finances and inlaws/family don’t mix. I said I understand you are close to your mom and fine even though I find it annoying that she has to know every detail of our lives telling her our exact financial set up is not ok. I said I’m beginning to feel like his mom is a third person in our relationship and there is no reason she needs to be privy to our finances and how we have it set up. I said a couple’s finances is between them and them alone and a possible financial advisor who is a professional and not a biased party like a parent and of course our bank. Unless his mom is giving us money which we are independent adults on our own two feet so she isn’t. So absolutely no reason she needs knowledge on our banking info. To me that hooks be common sense. My fiancé and I have such a solid and close relationship I also underneath the anger feel very hurt and betrayed that without me there or even checking with me he just told his mom all our financial info not even thinking about my feelings. For her to know about such private information I feel “exposed” not in the physical sense but the mental sense.

I said when we get married I don’t want to feel like your mom is the third person in our marriage. He did apologize and explain he told her because she was just talking about finances in general and it flowed with the conversation but I told him I was still upset and just needed some alone time. Not alone time to rethink the relationship obviously because every relationship has issues once in a great while but just time to calm down.

Im sure we can all agree that given his mom that much access into our financial set up isn’t a good idea but AIBU to be this upset and worked up over it? I just feel there needs to be boundaries especially as an adult in a serious relationship. And maybe when you’re a teenager telling your parents every little thing is fine but I don’t want his mom living in our pocket.

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Abracadabra12345 · 24/01/2025 15:39

OP: Do you go on and on and on like this in person as you have on this thread? 😱 Do you wear your fiancé down until he says no to the family trip, shares his Christmas present, complains to his mother?

You do come across as very young, and indeed you are. It's possible that your FMIL may view you as demanding and intense and not want to encourage her son's relationship with you, which is why she is is holding you at arm's length. Has she actually said anything derogatory about you to her son?

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 15:39

sandyhappypeople · 24/01/2025 15:36

not acknowledging us as a couple on Christmas cards, leaving me out of what is labeled as a family vacation.

We're talking TWO THINGS in 5 YEARS... it's not a campaign of abuse or exclusion.

And both can be easily explained, you said she took her sons away as a family and you let him go, I say "let him" go because it is perfectly obvious he's not allowed to do anything without your approval, so she has offered to do it again, but this time with her partner as well, and you have massively kicked off because you think if she is inviting her partner then you should be going as well, which to be honest is just entitled.

The christmas card was a direct gift to him that one time, yet you have insisted it is rude of her to send him a gift only for him and it has to be spend on you as a couple because it is unfair for him to spend it on himself.

everyone here can see how controlling you are, his MIL obviously knows how controlling you are, and it seems like he is perfectly aware how controlling you are and how he has to tread on eggshells around you, it's only you that can't see it.

The purpose of the Christmas card was to send him money. She wasn’t trying to send the household a card she was trying to send her own son a gift.

Growlybear83 · 24/01/2025 15:40

@ThisQuickJadeWasp No, OP, wife doesn't trump mother. To many people their mother would be equally as important as their wife, but in different ways.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:41

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 15:38

It’s part of a bigger picture OP.

As I said YOU can say someone is YOUR best friend but you can’t speak for someone else.

It isn’t natural to say “I am her best friend”, which is what you said about your OH. That’s you placing you at the centre of their universe which only they can do.

I disagree bc if someone has told you that they are your best friend then obviously you know they are your best friend. It’s very weird to not be aware if someone considers you their best friend. It’s not placing anyone anywhere it’s knowing based on reading the room so to speak and your interactions with the person. My best friend of 20 something years I know considers me her best friend.

I think you at this point are looking to split hairs over anything I say. Knowing your own partner considers you their best friend is notify more than knowing your place and where you stand with them. To be in the dark about that would be weird.

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PeppyGreenFinch · 24/01/2025 15:41

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:33

What’s your point in saying he will always be her son till the day she dies? And I take marriage vows seriously I will be his wife and that should ne respected as well. Yes wife trunks mother.

He gets a say too, he any not want to married forever. It’s much harder to ‘divorce’ a parent.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:42

Growlybear83 · 24/01/2025 15:40

@ThisQuickJadeWasp No, OP, wife doesn't trump mother. To many people their mother would be equally as important as their wife, but in different ways.

Many many people say when you get married your spouse comes first bc you are forming a new family unit with them.

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Ellepff · 24/01/2025 15:42

@MangshorJhol
I wonder if the OP's parents as the parents of two daughters, and no sons, feel the pressure to marry them off. And so they are delighted she's found an older man who earns well, and so have been overly welcoming. If you add the age and earning gap into that, and culturally the OP's desperation to assert that they are 'not a girlfriend but a fiance' makes a LOT of sense
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this wouldn’t surprise me, or something else cross cultural. I do think MIL doesn’t view OP as part of the family yet. And may always view her as something lower than the son. Maybe even negatively for living together. Either way, OP has been posting so much, some of it coherent, some of it not. And some conflicts the other.

The extent of OP’s reaction is probably playing into MIL’s hands. I’m guilty of that with my MIL sometimes.

At 200+ posts all disagreeing with PP I don’t think OP has any chance at the answers or support she wants. And with the immaturity and instinct to manage her fiance’s life the relationship sounds super toxic.

The inconsistency between joint pot vs he pays the mortgage and she lays toilet trees are weird too.

janeavrilavril · 24/01/2025 15:42

You are one of those ones OP. Quite simply, jealous of the relationship he has with his mother. Insecure, controlling and manipulative. Poor fella.

sandyhappypeople · 24/01/2025 15:45

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:42

Many many people say when you get married your spouse comes first bc you are forming a new family unit with them.

First in what?

What do you feel he is not "putting you first" on?

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:46

PeppyGreenFinch · 24/01/2025 15:41

He gets a say too, he any not want to married forever. It’s much harder to ‘divorce’ a parent.

Are you saying his mother should be most important bc we MIGHT get divorced. Do you not see anything I mean anything wrong with his mother’s behavior? How about the manipulative you might regret this one day and the crying all over my fiancé simply asking for me to be included.

I see people go NC with their parents so yes it does happen.

you really say to your spouse sorry honey my parents come first bc we MIGHT divorce? By your logic why ever put your spouse first or why ever do anything with them? Well sorry honey I don’t want to vacation together bc we MIGHT divorce. You shouldn’t be in this family picture with me bc we MIGHT divorce. What a sad weird and cynical mindset to have. You focus on the relationship for what it is now not what could happen in the future and in this moment we have a set wedding date.

you could use that logic for anything. You MIGJT get fired from your job so why give 100% I MIGHT get into a car accident so why drive at all?

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MangshorJhol · 24/01/2025 15:47

@Ellepff As I said, this would all make sense if OP comes from a cultural context where joint families are the norm, where the wife even if she isn't in a joint family is second best. And where the OP's parents are 'liberal' (I have no European/American friends who use that term to describe their parents, plenty of Asian people with 'Westernised' parents do), but her parents are also the parents of daughters so have whole heartedly embraced the much older man she's marrying and who earns well.

All of the rest: the insistence she's not a 'girlfriend' but a 'fiance' (and her fear that the MIL still sees her as an illegitimate sidekick to her son, one she didn't choose), or the insistence of the timeline of their relationship would make total sense in that context.

As I said if the OP was Indian/Asian/Middle Eastern, a LOT of this would make cultural sense to me...that in a cultural context where the natural hierarchy places the groom's family above the bride's, and the OP's mother below his, and the OP as second best to his mother, her insecurities make sense. In the absence of this cultural context, this then seems immature!

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 15:48

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:41

I disagree bc if someone has told you that they are your best friend then obviously you know they are your best friend. It’s very weird to not be aware if someone considers you their best friend. It’s not placing anyone anywhere it’s knowing based on reading the room so to speak and your interactions with the person. My best friend of 20 something years I know considers me her best friend.

I think you at this point are looking to split hairs over anything I say. Knowing your own partner considers you their best friend is notify more than knowing your place and where you stand with them. To be in the dark about that would be weird.

I’m not OP I’m trying to get you to engage with anything I say but you simply won’t.

I think the way you speak about your OH is very controlling and I think your self worth is tied up in him excessively.

And his mother may be in pain but I don’t think that’s the primary issue.

Growlybear83 · 24/01/2025 15:49

It also strikes me as very odd that you don't class your fiancée, who you claim to be so in love with, as your best friend.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:49

janeavrilavril · 24/01/2025 15:42

You are one of those ones OP. Quite simply, jealous of the relationship he has with his mother. Insecure, controlling and manipulative. Poor fella.

One of what? I’m not a type. If we wanna talk about types let’s turn this my FMIL is one of those hell bent on being overly attached to her very much adult son causing issues in his relationship by continually excluding his fiancé telling him as an adult on a trip he is paying for himself on not to bring the woman he is engaged to and owns a home with and when he tells her he wants her included tells him no. I’m curious if a FMIL came on here and posted that from her POV what responses she would get. Would she get support?

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PeppyGreenFinch · 24/01/2025 15:49

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:46

Are you saying his mother should be most important bc we MIGHT get divorced. Do you not see anything I mean anything wrong with his mother’s behavior? How about the manipulative you might regret this one day and the crying all over my fiancé simply asking for me to be included.

I see people go NC with their parents so yes it does happen.

you really say to your spouse sorry honey my parents come first bc we MIGHT divorce? By your logic why ever put your spouse first or why ever do anything with them? Well sorry honey I don’t want to vacation together bc we MIGHT divorce. You shouldn’t be in this family picture with me bc we MIGHT divorce. What a sad weird and cynical mindset to have. You focus on the relationship for what it is now not what could happen in the future and in this moment we have a set wedding date.

you could use that logic for anything. You MIGJT get fired from your job so why give 100% I MIGHT get into a car accident so why drive at all?

Edited

More word soup.

You seemed to say you will be his wife for life, I merely pointed out that it’s not only up to you, he may decide to leave.

Completelyjo · 24/01/2025 15:50

Snow not cleared then eh?

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 15:51

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:49

One of what? I’m not a type. If we wanna talk about types let’s turn this my FMIL is one of those hell bent on being overly attached to her very much adult son causing issues in his relationship by continually excluding his fiancé telling him as an adult on a trip he is paying for himself on not to bring the woman he is engaged to and owns a home with and when he tells her he wants her included tells him no. I’m curious if a FMIL came on here and posted that from her POV what responses she would get. Would she get support?

Depends what she said OP.

She’s not going to have the same story as you OP.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:51

Growlybear83 · 24/01/2025 15:49

It also strikes me as very odd that you don't class your fiancée, who you claim to be so in love with, as your best friend.

Im best friends with both. He has a male best friend (which goes without saying be weird if he was total besties with some other woman when he is engaged) and then I’m his other beer friend as his soon to be wife

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LondonLawyer · 24/01/2025 15:51

Growlybear83 · 24/01/2025 15:40

@ThisQuickJadeWasp No, OP, wife doesn't trump mother. To many people their mother would be equally as important as their wife, but in different ways.

I have just never thought about it that way - my mother's my Mum, DH is my life partner, these are not the same thing.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:51

Completelyjo · 24/01/2025 15:50

Snow not cleared then eh?

Nope we go back on Monday.

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Abracadabra12345 · 24/01/2025 15:55

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:49

One of what? I’m not a type. If we wanna talk about types let’s turn this my FMIL is one of those hell bent on being overly attached to her very much adult son causing issues in his relationship by continually excluding his fiancé telling him as an adult on a trip he is paying for himself on not to bring the woman he is engaged to and owns a home with and when he tells her he wants her included tells him no. I’m curious if a FMIL came on here and posted that from her POV what responses she would get. Would she get support?

This has been addressed again and again by pps and you have ignored everyone

Abracadabra12345 · 24/01/2025 15:56

So what date is the wedding, just out of interest?

Growlybear83 · 24/01/2025 15:56

@ThisQuickJadeWasp So maybe your boyfriend would class his mum as being one of his best friends? And why would it be odd if he had a close female friend? I have always classed my husband and mum as my best friends, but for several years my other best non family friend was a man. No-one found that strange.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:58

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 15:51

Depends what she said OP.

She’s not going to have the same story as you OP.

Edited

“I addressed a Christmas card with cash only to my son I have never addressed a card that included his fiancé’s as well and my son got upset and said he can’t accept a Christmas card with a cash gift unless it includes the woman he is about to marry and I told him he might regret it one day as blood is thicker than water.”

”I also planned a family vacation with my three sons and my husband who is their step father but didn’t enter their life until my oldest son was 18 but when my son asked if his soon to be wife could he invited I told him no and when he mentioned well my partner is invited I said well of course that’s different and when he said well I’m not going on what is being labeled as a family vacation without my fiancé bc I consider her part of my immediate family and I said again well you might regret it bc blood is thicker than water.“

I know the majority of the responses would say something along the lines of stop making your son choose your very own son who you so clearly love very much is telling you himself to include the woman he is about to marry and you keep doubling down and telling him no but when it comes down to it as they are engaged to be married he will choose her and if you want a relationship with any kids they may have in the future you should include her as she will be the mother of your GC and your DIL.

I very much doubt any of the responses will say continue excluding her that’s a smart move and bodes well for the future. Continue doubling down and don’t listen to what your son is telling you.

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 16:01

Growlybear83 · 24/01/2025 15:56

@ThisQuickJadeWasp So maybe your boyfriend would class his mum as being one of his best friends? And why would it be odd if he had a close female friend? I have always classed my husband and mum as my best friends, but for several years my other best non family friend was a man. No-one found that strange.

It’s just odd to me. That’s how affairs start getting emotionally close to another woman who isn’t his relative. You want a woman’s perspective that’s what you have female relatives and your wife for. Again what could some other woman ( not a relative) give my man that I can’t.

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