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He told his mom details on our financial set up!

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 13:11

Heads up: this is a very long post with lots of background info.

I am a 25 year old woman old engaged to my fiancé who is a 29 year old man. We have been dating since I was 19 and he was 24. When I say we are madly in love with each other we are madly in love with each other. We are each others first relationships. We mesh together perfectly. We had a bit of a long engagement not due to any issues at all in our relationship just because I was in college and my fiance was still getting figured out in his career.

We both met when we both didn’t have a lot of money I was living at home with my parents and he was living with an older man that used to be his neighbor who was renting out a small spare bedroom. Since then we grown into our careers and adults lives together. He moved and we did long distance for 16 months until I got everything together and was ready to move together into our apartment and then we got a house. once we moved into the house together we decided to start sharing finances and viewing things as “our” money instead of “his” or “her” money. We have a joint account where we would put all the money in that goes towards necessities such as bills and home repairs and groceries and what not. Then based on percentages we would take out our respective amounts of the joint account for the necessities. We then have our own separate account which our “fun money” goes in and then another joint account of a budgeted amount that our savings goes in that we don’t touch.

Then this way we have the same amount left over for fun things such as he has his truck hobby with his pick up truck that he owns that he likes to tinker with and I get a pedicure and my hair colored now and again or dinner out with friends stuff like that. This is the obvious way to do it to me bc obviously we operate as a team and engaged and not roommates so we want to make sure each other has the same amount to “toy around with” so to speak. We weren’t nickel and diming each other. He makes a little over 2 times what I make not that I don’t work just as hard it’s just our chosen careers which we are both very passionate about happen to pay that amount.

We would base what we contribute financially based on percentage so we still have the same money left over and I wouldn’t be stuck with nothing or very little while he has a lot more left over. To us that’s what being a team and getting married means. He pays the mortgage and I pay utilities such as electric, water, internet, toilet trees, I pay for our home delivery meal service that comes for dinners 5 nights a week. I also am responsible for cleaning the house and if there are home repair issues or something needs to be renovated like for example our master bathroom recently got redone I handle all that. Finding the contractors to come out and manning the job and picking out what we want.

We never argue about money and we are both very happy with this financial set up and we both feel it’s very fair and equal. Multiple people have commented on how it’s beautiful we are so in love and have built our lives up together after meeting each other when we both basically had nothing or very little to our name and they can’t wait for us to be married.

The one thing we disagree about is his mother. I feel my fiancé involves her very heavily in his/our life. She lives 13 hours away and my fiancé is the oldest and she has 2 younger sons. She has a big family lots of friends and isn’t lonely by any stretch yet my fiance tells her at any given time the exact home repairs we are doing, if something goes wrong with our home, if we happen to have less money than expected. They talk everyday or just about and I feel like it’s a bit overbearing and strange given she isn’t lonely. I don’t meet that many adults who want their parents that heavily involved in their personal lives. I think I would cry and feel suffocated if my mom was that involved in the knowing of everything that happens. Well the icing on top of the cake for me was he told his mom our exact financial arrangement/set up. He told her how we have our accounts set up, who contributes what, who pays what. The only thing he didn’t tell her was how much we have in those accounts.

i cried when he told me this because I said finances and inlaws/family don’t mix. I said I understand you are close to your mom and fine even though I find it annoying that she has to know every detail of our lives telling her our exact financial set up is not ok. I said I’m beginning to feel like his mom is a third person in our relationship and there is no reason she needs to be privy to our finances and how we have it set up. I said a couple’s finances is between them and them alone and a possible financial advisor who is a professional and not a biased party like a parent and of course our bank. Unless his mom is giving us money which we are independent adults on our own two feet so she isn’t. So absolutely no reason she needs knowledge on our banking info. To me that hooks be common sense. My fiancé and I have such a solid and close relationship I also underneath the anger feel very hurt and betrayed that without me there or even checking with me he just told his mom all our financial info not even thinking about my feelings. For her to know about such private information I feel “exposed” not in the physical sense but the mental sense.

I said when we get married I don’t want to feel like your mom is the third person in our marriage. He did apologize and explain he told her because she was just talking about finances in general and it flowed with the conversation but I told him I was still upset and just needed some alone time. Not alone time to rethink the relationship obviously because every relationship has issues once in a great while but just time to calm down.

Im sure we can all agree that given his mom that much access into our financial set up isn’t a good idea but AIBU to be this upset and worked up over it? I just feel there needs to be boundaries especially as an adult in a serious relationship. And maybe when you’re a teenager telling your parents every little thing is fine but I don’t want his mom living in our pocket.

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HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 15:04

Gosh. She said "blood is thicker than water" about the vacation too? Not just the card. Are you sure she's not a bot? She seems to just repeat the same things over n over.

Montymorency · 24/01/2025 15:05

you are spending so much time on here, would you even notice if he ran out screaming and back to Mommie Dearest?

Thisismetooaswell · 24/01/2025 15:06

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 18:01

There is also a sense of being unbiased and looking at things objectives. If a parent doesn’t have that sunlit yes that is enmeshed. My parents also look out for my fiancé not to my detriment or anything but they support him. And they will tell me if I’m being an idiot with him about something.

Out of interest, have you told them about this situation? Because hopefully they will tell you you're being an idiot and you will listen - as you don't seem to believe anyone on here. Seriously, you are nowhere near mature enough to marry

thepariscrimefiles · 24/01/2025 15:07

Spirallingdownwards · 24/01/2025 15:01

Actually reading further through the threads the issue is because the mother has excluded her. Then actually quite seemingly innocuous (to us) things the mother does is an extra stab, an extra twist of the knife. On their own nothing but added together further pain caused to the OP which is why she needs her fiance to validate her place in his life.

I think the OP has acknowledged this to some extent in her last response to me.

She is right that if a mother posted here setting out the scenario we would call her that MIL and say you won't get to see your grandkids if you continue in this way and noone would blame your DIL

I agree. Objectively, her future MIL sounds pretty mean in her determination to exclude OP from the family, in terms of gifts, cards and invitations for trips/holidays.

OP has put a lot of people's backs up on this thread due to her responding quite for forcefully to the posters who are defending his mum. However, they are fine with OP's MIL excluding OP because they think OP is the DIL from hell, but they are all up in arms when OP says that she won't be facilitating the relationship if she has children.

Butchyrestingface · 24/01/2025 15:09

I think OP, from the early posts, seems overbearing, dramatic and reactionary. Is your future MiL overbearing? Maybe fiancé is just marrying a younger version of his mother.

I say 'the early posts' for a reason, btw. Ordinarily I try to at least read all of the OP's contributions to a thread. But @ThisQuickJadeWasp appears to have posted 210 times to this thread in just over 24 hours. Surely some kind of record? 🔥

Growlybear83 · 24/01/2025 15:09

I think you should be very cautious about having g counselling OP. You're likely to hear things that you don't want to hear, and if you behave in the way you have on this thread, the counselling session will be something of an eye opener to him. There's no way the poor fiancé will go through with this wedding. 😆😆😆

PeppyGreenFinch · 24/01/2025 15:09

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:00

Right but telling her adult son when it’s his vacation as well that he is also paying for not to bring the woman he is sharing a life with and who he is engaged to with him is controlling. That’s the definition of controlling telling another adult who to bring. At some point the parent child relationship has to shift into an equal relationship when the child becomes a grown adult.

No, I already addressed this. She is free to issue an invitation to her offspring only. He is free to decline such an invitation.

None of this is in itself controlling. Each party needs to accept the other’s decision. She can’t force him to go and he can’t force her to invite you.

ThatsWhatImTalkinAbout · 24/01/2025 15:09

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:30

And tell her 30 year old son not to bring his? Sure she can anyone CAN do anything. Doesn’t make it less rude. If you plan a wedding and you allow cousin Jane to bring a +1 but don’t allow cousin Carl to bring one sure it’s your wedding you CAN do whatever you want but it’s rude.

It’s a double standard. Adopt the same standard for everyone. My fiancé is paying his own way also. He even told his mom this woman is about to be my wife and is very much my family yet you expect me to respect your relationship with your partner and he is invited but what about respecting and acknowledging my relationship with my fiancé. I’m not a single man. I’m a grown man with a live in partner we are an established couple. She cried and told him he will regret not going and he said mom of course I’m going to put us first when you marry and when you are on the verge of marrying it’s perfectly natural that your fiance/wife comes first. Just like you want me to consider your partner family and you want him included well I want my partner included. Everyone I spoke to in real life found this extremely odd.

Do you know the reason why your MIL appears to refuse to acknowledge you? She clearly has a major issue that needs to be addressed before the wedding surely?
Will she be at the wedding? If so, then it’s going to be a very strange atmosphere.
I assume your parents know how your MIL to-be is treating you. What is their opinion on it and are they happy that you are marrying into that setup?

sandyhappypeople · 24/01/2025 15:17

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:44

You didn’t acknowledge the part where I asked why the double standard why am I the devil but it’s ok for his mother to control him by arranging time with his brothers when they can are she that on their own as adult men and telling him who to bring on a vacation that is his as well.

The counsellor will have a field day with you, the way you twist situations to paint other people as villains, and then use that to abuse your partner.. they will see through all the bullshit though, I’m not sure it’s going to go the way you think it will.

If anything i think it may be quite eye opening for your fiancé, I think it’s great that you have arranged to do it before getting married to give everyone a chance to see if marriage is what they really want.

HappyGillmore · 24/01/2025 15:20

After that mammoth read....my observation is you both fucking hate eachother and will find any reason to be annoyed/exclude the other 😂

Just try and be polite or let it go. Because you plan to marry this man, and if you don't let this go, it's going to be a hard slog of a marriage, he's always going to be her son till the day she dies.

So either toughen up, let things slide and choose not to get worked up. Or leave this miserable situation in the past and move on from the family for your own sanity!

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:21

Spirallingdownwards · 24/01/2025 15:01

Actually reading further through the threads the issue is because the mother has excluded her. Then actually quite seemingly innocuous (to us) things the mother does is an extra stab, an extra twist of the knife. On their own nothing but added together further pain caused to the OP which is why she needs her fiance to validate her place in his life.

I think the OP has acknowledged this to some extent in her last response to me.

She is right that if a mother posted here setting out the scenario we would call her that MIL and say you won't get to see your grandkids if you continue in this way and noone would blame your DIL

Yes this exactly! Things that seem innocuous (perfect word for it BTW) to the outsider looking in has a way of adding up when different things are repeatedly done. It’s everything added together from the never reaching out despite me sending her birthday and holiday gifts and me texting her asking how she is doing, being cold to me, not acknowledging us as a couple on Christmas cards, leaving me out of what is labeled as a family vacation. They are like a bunch of little paper cuts that add up and eventually form a big wound.

Sure she hasn’t come right out and said rude things to me but actions speak a lot louder than words. There are all deliberate little snubs and very clearly intentional. It’s her response when my fiancé calls her out on her rude behavior that is very telling and proves my point that it’s intentional. If she didn’t mean any harm when my fiancé said he didn’t want his fiancé left out of a family trip she wouldn’t have laid on the manipulative guilt trip of oh you will regret it blood is thicker than water. When her husband isn’t blood to her or her children. And she said the same thing when he called her out on the Christmas card you will regret it blood is thicker than water. She isn’t smelling like a rose here either but for some reason that’s all ignored. So yes it is personal towards me.

The only thing I think I’m wrong on is me getting mad at my fiancé for divulging our financial set up to his mother given that he didn’t give a break down of financial amounts. I already apologized to him for this and I admitted I was wrong.

Yes, that’s what I’ve been trying to say that if a mother came on here and listed all the ways she ignores and excludes her son’s fiancé she wouldn’t get backing or support on that. If a mother came on here and said my son and his fiance are engaged and own a home together and I address Christmas cards to just him and my son called me out and asked me to include his fiance or he can’t accept the card and I told him he would regret it bc blood is thicker than water then after that I planned a family vacation with me and my 3 sons and my husband but when asked about bringing his fiancé I told him no despite that they share a home a mortgage and a life together. In fact when he insisted that he wants his fiance invited since my partner is invited and he wants his relationship acknowledged and respected I doubled down and told him once again no you will regret it bc blood is thicker than water.

Everyone would say you sound like a piece of work your very own son told you to acknowledge his fiancé more and you refuse to do so you manipulate him by using phrases such as you will regret it and blood is thicker than water. Yet your husband who isn’t your blood and isn’t your son’s blood either is invited. Continue down this path of excluding the most important person in your now adult son’s life and he will naturally back her up and support her as they are set to be married and if you want to be a part of their family life and in the lives of any possible GC then you will do best to start including and acknowledging her as an important figure in your son’s life. You don’t have to love her you don’t even have to like her but you should respect what your son is telling you and he wants his fiancé included.

And we all know something along those lines would be said bc I saw it on here.

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LondonLawyer · 24/01/2025 15:22

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 13:48

Then her son can make all the arrangements I won’t personally lift a finger though. She can’t have it both ways. She can’t expect me to do the emotional labor of managing her relationship with her grandchildren while simultaneously only acknowledging her son and not her DIL or leave me out when she wants to but suddenly my role in the family becomes important as gate keeper to the grandchildren. It doesn’t work like that. You need to be fostering an independent and family relationship with the mother of the GC if you expect her to consider you family to go out of her way to arrange visits with the GC. So nope she wants to just acknowledge her son her son her son well guess what than her precious golden child can do all the heavy lifting. You reap what you sow.

Huh? She will equally be a grandmother, surely? It isn't having it both ways. DH arranges stuff with his own family, I tend to arrange stuff with mine. We sometimes go with each other to visit, but not always.

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 15:23

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:55

But the relationship should speak for itself when someone is engaged with a set wedding date it’s quite rude to plan a whole vacation and tell someone not to bring their fiance. You talk about me being controlling and making him choose but his mother is doing just that by making him choose by telling him not to bring me and putting her son in a bad position and controlling him by telling him who not to bring. He isn’t a child he is paying for his share it’s just as his much his vacation as well. She isn’t a stupid woman overly attached yes but not stupid she should be aware that like she wouldn’t want her partner excluded her son might not want to take PTO and vacation when his fiance isn’t included. The fact she thinks he would be ok with that says a lot. Also that’s less PTO that we have to use for each other. PTO isn’t in abundance for a lot of couples. So that’s a week that’s now taking away for us if we have plans for that PTO. That’s another factor we are saving our collective PTO for things like the wedding and the honeymoon. A lot of couples sit down tired her and look at their PTO time and allot what they will use when. My husband’s company calls them in order of seniority in late December and asks them what weeks they want to take off.

I wrote a lot more in that post that just be holiday. But you didn’t engage with any of it.

I mean as constructive feedback but much like I was at your age, I think you are deeply insecure. You have found a relationship that makes you feel worthy, and you have directed all of your energy at this relationship. You’ve made many statements about how your OH feels about you, how’s yours is a great/true love, how you are his best friend when in truth you can only ever speak for yourself regardless of what someone says to you. Saying someone is your best friend is one thing, saying you are theirs seems possessive and territorial.

You feel he talks too much to his mother, you feel you should be “no.1” even though only she is his mother and you are his partner which are very different things. You feel entitled to tell her she can’t send her son a Christmas gift, or go on a family trip.

You main issue with his mother seems to be that she doesn’t see your status as you do, but Id think you’d care less if you felt more secure. So maybe look at that.

justasking111 · 24/01/2025 15:26

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 14:21

People like the OP are the reason many parents skip a generation and leave all their money to their grandchildren in their Wills.

Or set up an ironclad trust

PeppyGreenFinch · 24/01/2025 15:27

Spirallingdownwards · 24/01/2025 15:01

Actually reading further through the threads the issue is because the mother has excluded her. Then actually quite seemingly innocuous (to us) things the mother does is an extra stab, an extra twist of the knife. On their own nothing but added together further pain caused to the OP which is why she needs her fiance to validate her place in his life.

I think the OP has acknowledged this to some extent in her last response to me.

She is right that if a mother posted here setting out the scenario we would call her that MIL and say you won't get to see your grandkids if you continue in this way and noone would blame your DIL

There have been a lot of drip feeds about the mother in law.

I have said some of the things MIL has done are controlling but it does need to be noted that most of the criticism of MIL by OP was not in the OP and she seems to have tacked this on when she realised the majority of people think she is controlling for trying to stop her fiancé talking to his mother about money.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:27

ThatsWhatImTalkinAbout · 24/01/2025 15:09

Do you know the reason why your MIL appears to refuse to acknowledge you? She clearly has a major issue that needs to be addressed before the wedding surely?
Will she be at the wedding? If so, then it’s going to be a very strange atmosphere.
I assume your parents know how your MIL to-be is treating you. What is their opinion on it and are they happy that you are marrying into that setup?

No my fiancé said his mom never outright has mentioned it. He will try and talk highly of me mention how well I’m doing in my job all the support I give him in his career how without question I moved to be with him how I support his truck hobby. And she just says oh that nice and moves onto the next subject blowing him off. I told my fiance I want to have a sit down talk the three of us me, him, and her as clearly something is amiss as the rest of his whole family is great.

My mom thinks it’s awful the way she treats me and my mom hasn’t met her but she said she has no interest as she is afraid she will have some words for her. My mom does have a lot of self control so I know she will be nothing but perfectly polite when she does meet her. My mom absolutely adores her future son in law and has always included him in everything from the word go so she is upset that my FMIL does the exact opposite with me. My mom said make no mistake the whole vacation thing after my fiance asked me to be included was a message loud and clear about me and our relationship and how she views it.

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MangshorJhol · 24/01/2025 15:27

I am wondering about OP's background. As an Indian, I have a spidey sense.

The obsession with ensuring that the MIL doesn't get a say. Also, when talking about her own family, emphasising that they treat them well, they are 'liberal', and see them as one unit. But being completely oblivious to why a parent would be biased towards one's own child.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the OP has been brought up in a 'liberal' family but within a cultural context that sees daughters as second best, and hence the soon to be DH has been instantly seen as the son, but OP isn't treated as a 'daughter' by the MIL. And despite the OP inisisting she's close to her sister and her mom, I wonder if the OP's parents as the parents of two daughters, and no sons, feel the pressure to marry them off. And so they are delighted she's found an older man who earns well, and so have been overly welcoming. If you add the age and earning gap into that, and culturally the OP's desperation to assert that they are 'not a girlfriend but a fiance' makes a LOT of sense. And the insistence on the length of the relationship and a hierarchy where she is prioritised.

I could be making this up, but my spidey senses have been tingling throughout this thread about whether there is something cultural at the root of OP's insistence establishing herself within her fiance's life hierarchy, and the repeated emphasis on being 'madly' in love (aka not a gold digger), and on being 'compatible), and the timeline of the wedding (aka this is not a fling which would be culturally frowned upon).

justasking111 · 24/01/2025 15:28

Butchyrestingface · 24/01/2025 15:09

I think OP, from the early posts, seems overbearing, dramatic and reactionary. Is your future MiL overbearing? Maybe fiancé is just marrying a younger version of his mother.

I say 'the early posts' for a reason, btw. Ordinarily I try to at least read all of the OP's contributions to a thread. But @ThisQuickJadeWasp appears to have posted 210 times to this thread in just over 24 hours. Surely some kind of record? 🔥

Can you just imagine the ear bashings the fiance will do anything to avoid.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:30

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 15:23

I wrote a lot more in that post that just be holiday. But you didn’t engage with any of it.

I mean as constructive feedback but much like I was at your age, I think you are deeply insecure. You have found a relationship that makes you feel worthy, and you have directed all of your energy at this relationship. You’ve made many statements about how your OH feels about you, how’s yours is a great/true love, how you are his best friend when in truth you can only ever speak for yourself regardless of what someone says to you. Saying someone is your best friend is one thing, saying you are theirs seems possessive and territorial.

You feel he talks too much to his mother, you feel you should be “no.1” even though only she is his mother and you are his partner which are very different things. You feel entitled to tell her she can’t send her son a Christmas gift, or go on a family trip.

You main issue with his mother seems to be that she doesn’t see your status as you do, but Id think you’d care less if you felt more secure. So maybe look at that.

I mean do you not typically know when someone considers you their best friend that’s usually pretty obvious. My best friend since we were 8 years old who is pretty much another sister to me I know I’m her best friend we said it to each other and it’s just obvious given her relationship with her other friends in comparison to our relationship with each other. We chat a lot have a set video chat. It speaks for itself. Guess can’t say we are best friends?

Of course again you are turning something completely natural someone considering their partner who they are about to marry their best friend. I would say if you are marrying the person it’s a pretty safe bet you are their best friend.

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:33

HappyGillmore · 24/01/2025 15:20

After that mammoth read....my observation is you both fucking hate eachother and will find any reason to be annoyed/exclude the other 😂

Just try and be polite or let it go. Because you plan to marry this man, and if you don't let this go, it's going to be a hard slog of a marriage, he's always going to be her son till the day she dies.

So either toughen up, let things slide and choose not to get worked up. Or leave this miserable situation in the past and move on from the family for your own sanity!

What’s your point in saying he will always be her son till the day she dies? And I take marriage vows seriously I will be his wife and that should ne respected as well. Yes wife trunks mother.

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Butchyrestingface · 24/01/2025 15:35

justasking111 · 24/01/2025 15:28

Can you just imagine the ear bashings the fiance will do anything to avoid.

I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like this on MN.

Fiancé must be a fucking saint.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:35

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 15:23

I wrote a lot more in that post that just be holiday. But you didn’t engage with any of it.

I mean as constructive feedback but much like I was at your age, I think you are deeply insecure. You have found a relationship that makes you feel worthy, and you have directed all of your energy at this relationship. You’ve made many statements about how your OH feels about you, how’s yours is a great/true love, how you are his best friend when in truth you can only ever speak for yourself regardless of what someone says to you. Saying someone is your best friend is one thing, saying you are theirs seems possessive and territorial.

You feel he talks too much to his mother, you feel you should be “no.1” even though only she is his mother and you are his partner which are very different things. You feel entitled to tell her she can’t send her son a Christmas gift, or go on a family trip.

You main issue with his mother seems to be that she doesn’t see your status as you do, but Id think you’d care less if you felt more secure. So maybe look at that.

I never told her that my fiancé rightly so so her own son told her not to exclude me and she cried and told him he might regret it one day and some bullshit about blood being thicker than water despite that her husband isn’t her blood or her son’s blood. Lord help us all if we choose to adopt children guess they aren’t blood so aren’t familyyy

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sandyhappypeople · 24/01/2025 15:36

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:21

Yes this exactly! Things that seem innocuous (perfect word for it BTW) to the outsider looking in has a way of adding up when different things are repeatedly done. It’s everything added together from the never reaching out despite me sending her birthday and holiday gifts and me texting her asking how she is doing, being cold to me, not acknowledging us as a couple on Christmas cards, leaving me out of what is labeled as a family vacation. They are like a bunch of little paper cuts that add up and eventually form a big wound.

Sure she hasn’t come right out and said rude things to me but actions speak a lot louder than words. There are all deliberate little snubs and very clearly intentional. It’s her response when my fiancé calls her out on her rude behavior that is very telling and proves my point that it’s intentional. If she didn’t mean any harm when my fiancé said he didn’t want his fiancé left out of a family trip she wouldn’t have laid on the manipulative guilt trip of oh you will regret it blood is thicker than water. When her husband isn’t blood to her or her children. And she said the same thing when he called her out on the Christmas card you will regret it blood is thicker than water. She isn’t smelling like a rose here either but for some reason that’s all ignored. So yes it is personal towards me.

The only thing I think I’m wrong on is me getting mad at my fiancé for divulging our financial set up to his mother given that he didn’t give a break down of financial amounts. I already apologized to him for this and I admitted I was wrong.

Yes, that’s what I’ve been trying to say that if a mother came on here and listed all the ways she ignores and excludes her son’s fiancé she wouldn’t get backing or support on that. If a mother came on here and said my son and his fiance are engaged and own a home together and I address Christmas cards to just him and my son called me out and asked me to include his fiance or he can’t accept the card and I told him he would regret it bc blood is thicker than water then after that I planned a family vacation with me and my 3 sons and my husband but when asked about bringing his fiancé I told him no despite that they share a home a mortgage and a life together. In fact when he insisted that he wants his fiance invited since my partner is invited and he wants his relationship acknowledged and respected I doubled down and told him once again no you will regret it bc blood is thicker than water.

Everyone would say you sound like a piece of work your very own son told you to acknowledge his fiancé more and you refuse to do so you manipulate him by using phrases such as you will regret it and blood is thicker than water. Yet your husband who isn’t your blood and isn’t your son’s blood either is invited. Continue down this path of excluding the most important person in your now adult son’s life and he will naturally back her up and support her as they are set to be married and if you want to be a part of their family life and in the lives of any possible GC then you will do best to start including and acknowledging her as an important figure in your son’s life. You don’t have to love her you don’t even have to like her but you should respect what your son is telling you and he wants his fiancé included.

And we all know something along those lines would be said bc I saw it on here.

not acknowledging us as a couple on Christmas cards, leaving me out of what is labeled as a family vacation.

We're talking TWO THINGS in 5 YEARS... it's not a campaign of abuse or exclusion.

And both can be easily explained, you said she took her sons away as a family and you let him go, I say "let him" go because it is perfectly obvious he's not allowed to do anything without your approval, so she has offered to do it again, but this time with her partner as well, and you have massively kicked off because you think if she is inviting her partner then you should be going as well, which to be honest is just entitled.

The christmas card was a direct gift to him that one time, yet you have insisted it is rude of her to send him a gift only for him and it has to be spend on you as a couple because it is unfair for him to spend it on himself.

everyone here can see how controlling you are, his MIL obviously knows how controlling you are, and it seems like he is perfectly aware how controlling you are and how he has to tread on eggshells around you, it's only you that can't see it.

MangshorJhol · 24/01/2025 15:38

@HappyGillmore 's point was just to state a fact. No, no one 'trumps' anyone. His mother WILL be his mother till the day she dies.
The point in saying that is it that it is true. He could divorce you. She is his blood relation and you are not. Even if you are madly in love, compatible and marry him in June or next year. Or you have moved countries for him. And you clean diligently for him every day.

It does not mean you are less important than her. It does not mean she is more important than you.

It is just a fact that she's his mother for life, and you are marrying him, and will have a place in his life alongside his mother.

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 15:38

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:30

I mean do you not typically know when someone considers you their best friend that’s usually pretty obvious. My best friend since we were 8 years old who is pretty much another sister to me I know I’m her best friend we said it to each other and it’s just obvious given her relationship with her other friends in comparison to our relationship with each other. We chat a lot have a set video chat. It speaks for itself. Guess can’t say we are best friends?

Of course again you are turning something completely natural someone considering their partner who they are about to marry their best friend. I would say if you are marrying the person it’s a pretty safe bet you are their best friend.

It’s part of a bigger picture OP.

As I said YOU can say someone is YOUR best friend but you can’t speak for someone else.

It isn’t natural to say “I am her best friend”, which is what you said about your OH. That’s you placing you at the centre of their universe which only they can do.

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