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He told his mom details on our financial set up!

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 13:11

Heads up: this is a very long post with lots of background info.

I am a 25 year old woman old engaged to my fiancé who is a 29 year old man. We have been dating since I was 19 and he was 24. When I say we are madly in love with each other we are madly in love with each other. We are each others first relationships. We mesh together perfectly. We had a bit of a long engagement not due to any issues at all in our relationship just because I was in college and my fiance was still getting figured out in his career.

We both met when we both didn’t have a lot of money I was living at home with my parents and he was living with an older man that used to be his neighbor who was renting out a small spare bedroom. Since then we grown into our careers and adults lives together. He moved and we did long distance for 16 months until I got everything together and was ready to move together into our apartment and then we got a house. once we moved into the house together we decided to start sharing finances and viewing things as “our” money instead of “his” or “her” money. We have a joint account where we would put all the money in that goes towards necessities such as bills and home repairs and groceries and what not. Then based on percentages we would take out our respective amounts of the joint account for the necessities. We then have our own separate account which our “fun money” goes in and then another joint account of a budgeted amount that our savings goes in that we don’t touch.

Then this way we have the same amount left over for fun things such as he has his truck hobby with his pick up truck that he owns that he likes to tinker with and I get a pedicure and my hair colored now and again or dinner out with friends stuff like that. This is the obvious way to do it to me bc obviously we operate as a team and engaged and not roommates so we want to make sure each other has the same amount to “toy around with” so to speak. We weren’t nickel and diming each other. He makes a little over 2 times what I make not that I don’t work just as hard it’s just our chosen careers which we are both very passionate about happen to pay that amount.

We would base what we contribute financially based on percentage so we still have the same money left over and I wouldn’t be stuck with nothing or very little while he has a lot more left over. To us that’s what being a team and getting married means. He pays the mortgage and I pay utilities such as electric, water, internet, toilet trees, I pay for our home delivery meal service that comes for dinners 5 nights a week. I also am responsible for cleaning the house and if there are home repair issues or something needs to be renovated like for example our master bathroom recently got redone I handle all that. Finding the contractors to come out and manning the job and picking out what we want.

We never argue about money and we are both very happy with this financial set up and we both feel it’s very fair and equal. Multiple people have commented on how it’s beautiful we are so in love and have built our lives up together after meeting each other when we both basically had nothing or very little to our name and they can’t wait for us to be married.

The one thing we disagree about is his mother. I feel my fiancé involves her very heavily in his/our life. She lives 13 hours away and my fiancé is the oldest and she has 2 younger sons. She has a big family lots of friends and isn’t lonely by any stretch yet my fiance tells her at any given time the exact home repairs we are doing, if something goes wrong with our home, if we happen to have less money than expected. They talk everyday or just about and I feel like it’s a bit overbearing and strange given she isn’t lonely. I don’t meet that many adults who want their parents that heavily involved in their personal lives. I think I would cry and feel suffocated if my mom was that involved in the knowing of everything that happens. Well the icing on top of the cake for me was he told his mom our exact financial arrangement/set up. He told her how we have our accounts set up, who contributes what, who pays what. The only thing he didn’t tell her was how much we have in those accounts.

i cried when he told me this because I said finances and inlaws/family don’t mix. I said I understand you are close to your mom and fine even though I find it annoying that she has to know every detail of our lives telling her our exact financial set up is not ok. I said I’m beginning to feel like his mom is a third person in our relationship and there is no reason she needs to be privy to our finances and how we have it set up. I said a couple’s finances is between them and them alone and a possible financial advisor who is a professional and not a biased party like a parent and of course our bank. Unless his mom is giving us money which we are independent adults on our own two feet so she isn’t. So absolutely no reason she needs knowledge on our banking info. To me that hooks be common sense. My fiancé and I have such a solid and close relationship I also underneath the anger feel very hurt and betrayed that without me there or even checking with me he just told his mom all our financial info not even thinking about my feelings. For her to know about such private information I feel “exposed” not in the physical sense but the mental sense.

I said when we get married I don’t want to feel like your mom is the third person in our marriage. He did apologize and explain he told her because she was just talking about finances in general and it flowed with the conversation but I told him I was still upset and just needed some alone time. Not alone time to rethink the relationship obviously because every relationship has issues once in a great while but just time to calm down.

Im sure we can all agree that given his mom that much access into our financial set up isn’t a good idea but AIBU to be this upset and worked up over it? I just feel there needs to be boundaries especially as an adult in a serious relationship. And maybe when you’re a teenager telling your parents every little thing is fine but I don’t want his mom living in our pocket.

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Growlybear83 · 24/01/2025 14:34

@ThisQuickJadeWasp
But you weren't invited! It's a free world so I suppose you could have just turned up. Whilst it's completely normal for parents to want to spend time with their children (and shock horror maybe their new partner), perhaps she didn't invite you because she knew you would ruin the trip with your weird attitude.

And you're not ABOUT to be his wife - it'a a year and a half away. By which time he will hopefully realise that you're trying to isolate him from his mother because you are so jealous, controlling, and entitled.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:36

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 14:34

Uh oh. You're getting your stories mixed up. The "you will regret this" threat was about the Christmas money, not the holiday.

It was both she said it twice

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:37

Growlybear83 · 24/01/2025 14:34

@ThisQuickJadeWasp
But you weren't invited! It's a free world so I suppose you could have just turned up. Whilst it's completely normal for parents to want to spend time with their children (and shock horror maybe their new partner), perhaps she didn't invite you because she knew you would ruin the trip with your weird attitude.

And you're not ABOUT to be his wife - it'a a year and a half away. By which time he will hopefully realise that you're trying to isolate him from his mother because you are so jealous, controlling, and entitled.

Either way we are engaged with a wedding date and that should be respected.

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thepariscrimefiles · 24/01/2025 14:37

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 14:44

Also his mom doesn’t treat us equal at all! Despite that I’ve been with him since we were very young and shown a lot of support to her son through his move and everything. Never reaches out to me only talks to her son. I read on here about MILs or soon to be MILs starting to include both in texts or reaching out to the DIL. My birthday rolls around no acknowledgment. She will travel and get just my fiancé something. Christmas even though we live together and are engaged to be married doesn’t acknowledge us as a couple just addresses cards to my fiance individually. When she visits never tries to foster any sort of independent relationship with me. Yes I’ve reached out to her always gotten her a nice Xmas gift and birthday gift

She doesn't sound very nice. Do your parents buy birthday and Christmas presents for your fiance?

PeppyGreenFinch · 24/01/2025 14:37

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:32

How? You don’t see the red flag that a woman is trying to manage the relationship between her and her grown sons by telling them to vacation together and doing that by excluding her son’s fiance? You don’t see the control in that? Oh but it’s ok for her to control him bc she is his mother.

Being a fiancée doesn’t confer any automatic rights on you.

PeppyGreenFinch · 24/01/2025 14:38

PeppyGreenFinch · 24/01/2025 13:24

So you want her to know about your finances when it’s to your benefit but don’t want her to about finances when it’s not to your benefit?

There’s a word for that, OP.

OP, would be good to get your answer on this.

Tink1989 · 24/01/2025 14:39

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:32

How? You don’t see the red flag that a woman is trying to manage the relationship between her and her grown sons by telling them to vacation together and doing that by excluding her son’s fiance? You don’t see the control in that? Oh but it’s ok for her to control him bc she is his mother.

No not at all, your twisting the narrative, it’s quite normal for parents to holiday with their children, alluding to it as setting a “play date” for them is disgusting and giving Glenn close fatal attraction vibes, is he going on the holiday?

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:42

Spirallingdownwards · 24/01/2025 14:34

Yes he has. I do his tax returns for him. He is a high earner. His wife is American. She always earned less and is now a Sahm. She knows I do his tax returns because she sends me his US income informationto enable me to do so. . She isn't jealous of his relationship with me. I have given them a large deposit towards their house purchase.

I don't need to police how they spend their money but I do know their income and they are grateful to me for the support I have with paperwork, financial support and loving support.

I do feel your real issue isn't actually with the financial side but with the lack of love and support she gives to you as his partner which I actually find quite appalling as a mother.

If that was there the other (ie the fact she knows you share finances even if she doesn't know details) probably wouldn't irk you especially as she doesn't even know details (like in my case).

If this is going to be an ongoing issue for you I would ask that you reconsider whether marriage at this stage is the right thing.

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Thank you so much for clarifying. I think in your case it’s different as you are supportive of their relationship and view them as a “them” where as my FMIL continually ignores my existence and my fiancé luckily stood up for me each and every time she done that and said he won’t vacation where his future wife is excluded from. His mom cried and told him he would regret it. I admit the financial thing I overreacted on and I apologized to my fiancé for that. The Christmas card thing the vacation and the never reaching out or acknowledging my role in her son’s life is problematic. Along with her trying to control her grown son by telling him despite that he is paying that he isn’t allowed to bring his own fiancé and trying to manage his relationship with his brothers. We have an appt with a marriage counselor next week bc I’m concerned about his mother still treating him like a child and him still being under her thumb to the degree he is. I feel he was raised in an environment where he was conditioned to be co dependent on his mother. The daily phone calls constantly 7 days a week and the need to tell her every detail of his life reeks of that. It’s like there has been no separation or independence into his adult life. She doesn’t live next door but metaphorically it feels like she does. I wouldn’t be surprised if she knows the time of day my fiancé shits and join not exaggerating.

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:44

PeppyGreenFinch · 24/01/2025 14:37

Being a fiancée doesn’t confer any automatic rights on you.

You didn’t acknowledge the part where I asked why the double standard why am I the devil but it’s ok for his mother to control him by arranging time with his brothers when they can are she that on their own as adult men and telling him who to bring on a vacation that is his as well.

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RedHelenB · 24/01/2025 14:44

Stop being jealous of his relationship with his mother. He's not doing her bidding, he's just talking to her.

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 14:47

I think reading between the lines his mother isn’t overly fond of you, possibly because you are controlling when it comes to her son. But all she has done in that regard is not make a huge amount of effort with you.

There is nothing wrong with him chatting to his mother regularly, her giving him a gift or asking him on holidays.

I think that you are quite insecure, and look to this relationship for your self-worth, and when you feel that his mother isn’t being supportive or doesn’t see your relationship as you do, you feel threatened, it undermines the source of your self-worth and you lash out with comments like “mummy”s boy, golden boy, apron strings…”

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:49

Tink1989 · 24/01/2025 14:39

No not at all, your twisting the narrative, it’s quite normal for parents to holiday with their children, alluding to it as setting a “play date” for them is disgusting and giving Glenn close fatal attraction vibes, is he going on the holiday?

No I mentioned multiple times that he said, “mom you expect me to respect your relationship and acknowledge him as part of my family but you don’t respect that my fiancé and soon to be wife is part of my family and I want her included and she is very hurt to be excluded like this” I’m more than happy to go if you include my fiancé. She is hurt by this and I’m hurt as well. She said, “you will regret this in the future and blood is thicker than water and I’m not budging this is the vacation I planned” and he said, “yes and I’m free to decline please let me know if you change your mind but we are about to be married she is now going to be a part of my core family and she will come first in cases where I’m being forced to choose I’m sorry it came down to this.”

His dad who has been wonderful to me nothing but wonderful couldn’t believe it. His grandmother loves me, his extended family which is aunts uncles cousins and I get along great, his brothers and I do. It’s literally just his mom and I. If it was really me don’t you think I would have an issue with the whole family.

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Whoarethoseguys · 24/01/2025 14:50

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:24

No but she is labeling it a family vacation and I’m sure my fiancé considers me his family. And a hell of a lot more that he considers his future wife his family than his mother’s spouse. Again he lived with the man for a year the man wasn’t a father figure to him didn’t raise him up.

You said two years in a previous post but whether he lived at home with him or not he has been in your boyfriends life for 12 year and presumably his younger brothers have lived with him for longer than two years..
Perhaps his mother wants a holiday with her family before her eldest son gets married because she knows that will be the last time they will all be together without the son's partner's. I think that is very understandable.
And however many times you say because the mother's husband is going you should be going it still doesn't make sense. Of course the holiday would be very different if you went too.

Completelyjo · 24/01/2025 14:53

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:32

How? You don’t see the red flag that a woman is trying to manage the relationship between her and her grown sons by telling them to vacation together and doing that by excluding her son’s fiance? You don’t see the control in that? Oh but it’s ok for her to control him bc she is his mother.

Fucking hell give it a rest. He apparently lives 13 hours away from his mother and he lives with you. Why don’t you cut the bloody apron strings and let the guy out of your sight for w week.
His mother inviting him on holiday isn’t a year of your relationship.

Alltheyellowbirds · 24/01/2025 14:54

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:44

You didn’t acknowledge the part where I asked why the double standard why am I the devil but it’s ok for his mother to control him by arranging time with his brothers when they can are she that on their own as adult men and telling him who to bring on a vacation that is his as well.

It’s not controlling them to invite them on a family holiday!

Honestly, the only person who is controlling is you. It’s clear in every word you type. If this is all real and not a hoax, then please please climb down off your high-horse and reread all the comments on this thread. Really read them, and try to take what people are saying on board. People are trying to help you for the sake of your future marriage.

You are still quite young, and although you keep telling us you have been together FOR YEARS it really isn’t that long.

I also strongly suspect you have some underlying issues which you might want to get some help with.

I’m going to stop responding now because its winding me up but best of luck. I hope you find a way to deal with everything better.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:55

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 14:47

I think reading between the lines his mother isn’t overly fond of you, possibly because you are controlling when it comes to her son. But all she has done in that regard is not make a huge amount of effort with you.

There is nothing wrong with him chatting to his mother regularly, her giving him a gift or asking him on holidays.

I think that you are quite insecure, and look to this relationship for your self-worth, and when you feel that his mother isn’t being supportive or doesn’t see your relationship as you do, you feel threatened, it undermines the source of your self-worth and you lash out with comments like “mummy”s boy, golden boy, apron strings…”

But the relationship should speak for itself when someone is engaged with a set wedding date it’s quite rude to plan a whole vacation and tell someone not to bring their fiance. You talk about me being controlling and making him choose but his mother is doing just that by making him choose by telling him not to bring me and putting her son in a bad position and controlling him by telling him who not to bring. He isn’t a child he is paying for his share it’s just as his much his vacation as well. She isn’t a stupid woman overly attached yes but not stupid she should be aware that like she wouldn’t want her partner excluded her son might not want to take PTO and vacation when his fiance isn’t included. The fact she thinks he would be ok with that says a lot. Also that’s less PTO that we have to use for each other. PTO isn’t in abundance for a lot of couples. So that’s a week that’s now taking away for us if we have plans for that PTO. That’s another factor we are saving our collective PTO for things like the wedding and the honeymoon. A lot of couples sit down tired her and look at their PTO time and allot what they will use when. My husband’s company calls them in order of seniority in late December and asks them what weeks they want to take off.

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PeppyGreenFinch · 24/01/2025 14:55

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:44

You didn’t acknowledge the part where I asked why the double standard why am I the devil but it’s ok for his mother to control him by arranging time with his brothers when they can are she that on their own as adult men and telling him who to bring on a vacation that is his as well.

A mother suggesting a trip with her partner and sons isn’t controlling. It would be controlling if she told the sons they have to go or that she won’t see them if they refuse to go.

You say that she threw a tantrum when your DP refused to go, which is not acceptable and is controlling. But your issue seems to be that she dared to invite them at all, which is also controlling.

Neither of you are covering yourselves in glory here.

Spirallingdownwards · 24/01/2025 14:57

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:42

Thank you so much for clarifying. I think in your case it’s different as you are supportive of their relationship and view them as a “them” where as my FMIL continually ignores my existence and my fiancé luckily stood up for me each and every time she done that and said he won’t vacation where his future wife is excluded from. His mom cried and told him he would regret it. I admit the financial thing I overreacted on and I apologized to my fiancé for that. The Christmas card thing the vacation and the never reaching out or acknowledging my role in her son’s life is problematic. Along with her trying to control her grown son by telling him despite that he is paying that he isn’t allowed to bring his own fiancé and trying to manage his relationship with his brothers. We have an appt with a marriage counselor next week bc I’m concerned about his mother still treating him like a child and him still being under her thumb to the degree he is. I feel he was raised in an environment where he was conditioned to be co dependent on his mother. The daily phone calls constantly 7 days a week and the need to tell her every detail of his life reeks of that. It’s like there has been no separation or independence into his adult life. She doesn’t live next door but metaphorically it feels like she does. I wouldn’t be surprised if she knows the time of day my fiancé shits and join not exaggerating.

Yes we don't have daily calls and probably not even weekly.

I think counselling would help to sort out what actually matters and how your fiance needs to support you.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 14:57

Alltheyellowbirds · 24/01/2025 14:54

It’s not controlling them to invite them on a family holiday!

Honestly, the only person who is controlling is you. It’s clear in every word you type. If this is all real and not a hoax, then please please climb down off your high-horse and reread all the comments on this thread. Really read them, and try to take what people are saying on board. People are trying to help you for the sake of your future marriage.

You are still quite young, and although you keep telling us you have been together FOR YEARS it really isn’t that long.

I also strongly suspect you have some underlying issues which you might want to get some help with.

I’m going to stop responding now because its winding me up but best of luck. I hope you find a way to deal with everything better.

And her son considers his fiancé a part of his FAMILY . Just like she considers her partner a part of her family. When planning a vacation with other adults there needs and wants should be kept in mind as well not just one person that is the definition of control. Planning how everyone else and who everyone else should bring on vacation when they are adults

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LAMPS1 · 24/01/2025 14:57

You would be well advised to listen to these words from @the7Vabo

“Love is not jealous or kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude”.
What you are describing isn’t love it’s obsession.

You are indeed, entirely obsessed with your status as a fiancée and with making sure you are up on a pedestal, above your partner’s mum. You want to be recognised as Somebody Special because you aren’t just a gf, you aren’t just a partner, you aren’t just a lover, you are a Fiancée and you already have joint finances, your own home and a shared life together etc etc etc etc etc.
You have laboured those points repeatedly and you insist that you get special recognition of your status as Soon To Be Married.

Respect (that you insist on) has to be earned OP. It doesn’t automatically come with being a Fiancée. And because you feel so entitled to your superior Fiancée status which you feel puts you above your partner’s mum, and because you speak/act/argue with that entitlement shining through every one of your posts here, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if you have not earned any respect from her at all. Quite the opposite.

A mother son/bond can be very strong. You might have found that a little regard for that fact and a lot more humility would have served you much better in your relationship with her than simply relying on your Fiancée status and insisting on your Fiancée rights.

Don’t disregard the discomfort you put your fiancée under every time you cry and complain about his mum. In her place, I would be very concerned for him right now, as you ramp up your entitlement for your big day.

You are pushing your agenda too far for it to be a happy time in front of you.

Good luck OP. I mean that genuinely.

I’m out now because I know you won’t be listening to or appreciating decent advice. Or even feeling grateful for all the contributions here. You are just too young and full of yourself for now.

Mymanyellow · 24/01/2025 14:58

The Christmas cash was a present for him. There must be something he could have spent it on? What hobbies does he have? A fishing rod? A new bike? Lots of stamps for his collection? Something surely. It was a gift for him.
The holiday was a trip for her and her husband and sons. You don’t need to turn up everywhere like Yoko Ono.
Again you’re implying you will restrict access to any future children, nasty.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:00

PeppyGreenFinch · 24/01/2025 14:55

A mother suggesting a trip with her partner and sons isn’t controlling. It would be controlling if she told the sons they have to go or that she won’t see them if they refuse to go.

You say that she threw a tantrum when your DP refused to go, which is not acceptable and is controlling. But your issue seems to be that she dared to invite them at all, which is also controlling.

Neither of you are covering yourselves in glory here.

Right but telling her adult son when it’s his vacation as well that he is also paying for not to bring the woman he is sharing a life with and who he is engaged to with him is controlling. That’s the definition of controlling telling another adult who to bring. At some point the parent child relationship has to shift into an equal relationship when the child becomes a grown adult.

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Spirallingdownwards · 24/01/2025 15:01

Actually reading further through the threads the issue is because the mother has excluded her. Then actually quite seemingly innocuous (to us) things the mother does is an extra stab, an extra twist of the knife. On their own nothing but added together further pain caused to the OP which is why she needs her fiance to validate her place in his life.

I think the OP has acknowledged this to some extent in her last response to me.

She is right that if a mother posted here setting out the scenario we would call her that MIL and say you won't get to see your grandkids if you continue in this way and noone would blame your DIL

Idontgiveashitanymore · 24/01/2025 15:02

I’d be pissed too, tell him it’s unacceptable and move your money into a private savings account, just give him the bills money.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 15:03

Mymanyellow · 24/01/2025 14:58

The Christmas cash was a present for him. There must be something he could have spent it on? What hobbies does he have? A fishing rod? A new bike? Lots of stamps for his collection? Something surely. It was a gift for him.
The holiday was a trip for her and her husband and sons. You don’t need to turn up everywhere like Yoko Ono.
Again you’re implying you will restrict access to any future children, nasty.

We haven’t been away in a while so I suggested we put it towards a weekend get away and it covered the whole thing. His mom got angry at that. And her partner can turn up everywhere? Again he is an adult paying for his portion of the vacation adults vacationing together should all get a say so controlling to label it a family vacation when a member of the family (family to my fiancé as his soon to be wife) isn’t invited. She wasn’t thinking this could put her son in a really bad position of having to choose between his mother and his fiance or now that’s less PTO they have to use together. We don’t have an endless amount of PTO either

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