Killer claims to be ill

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According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

I understand why the family have been rehoused. I am sure some here would applaud his family being killed in retaliation.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/southport-killer-bedroom-axel-rudakubana/

He's not exactly hiding his purchases

I don’t know how he circumvented Amazon’s checks. I am a middle aged woman and kept falling their checks trying to buy a bloody set of cutlery!

As I said in my post, we have to consider whether the problems associated with immigration and asylum can be passed down the generations. People can be born in the UK into families and communities which actively discourage integration and the adoption of progressive, liberal values.

This.

He was also excluded from school/first big issue at school a month before we were locked down for the first time during the pandemic which won't have helped the relevant agencies being involved with him.

I don't believe this. There is no evidence to suggest they considered misogyny, it's not in law an aggravating factor for something to be a hate crime, even though anti-woman hatred is often a reason for committing a crime. The reason given is it would overwhelm police resources. Which is exactly why it should be a criteria.

And if this clear terrorist attack, with a man with multiple terror manuals who carefully planned it (and other attacks) is not considered 'related to a terror ideology' then the criteria is so narrow as to be completely useless.

The "progressive, liberal values" touted by so many on this thread, for instance?

Maybe we need to step outside of the DSM defined mental illnesses when considering additional risk factors or additional conditions that may have contributed. Someone being a psychopath for example.

Saying his being Autistic had no relevance here sounds pretty short sighted. And I am not saying being Autistic makes you a killer before everyone jumps on that in horror.

The word ' normal' is a poor word because who really is normal, whatever that means. The reason I'm interested in this is not because I want to see him let out early or even because I believed he can be rehabilitated. It seems he cannot.

His state of thinking is far from typical. His capacity for empathy is far from typical.

I thought if someone ordered a knife or something that could be used as a weapon, ie arrows that upon delivery it could only be accepted by an over 18 year old with proof of ID. But maybe I am wrong in which case the law needs to be changed.

I also agree with this thoughtful post. And I can also understand how the degree of pain and fear that these murders brings up for us as people and as parents leads to such powerful feelings of rage.

I don't understand why these reasonable points always attract those who like to shout 'bigot'.

Do we want to invite lots of men from Afghanistan with Taliban-like attitudes to women into our country? The majority of the population would say no, but given the leeway given to the Pakistani child rape and torture gangs, i guess the answer from the government is 'yes, let's move in that general direction'. I despair for the future of girls in this society.

I think someone on here earlier said it was the social worker who called the police, as I think they wanted the police there when they spoke to him. I don't think the parents called the police.

@MrsSchrute I could not agree more!

It almost feels that one will get extra likes and ticks if they become part of a blood thirsty mob rather than considering the complexity of what went on here.

So you’d be ok for him to be walking the streets in 21 years?!

Also a lot is made of his cache of weapons - and police inaction, Ricin aside is it illegal for an under 18 to own knives? I don’t mean have them on their person - but to have them in the home?

A term of 21 years does not mean he is free after that, but that that is the point at which he can be assessed to see if he is no longer a danger to society.

That is not what the poster said or implied.

I mean even if they considered misogyny there is no evidence of him adhering to any form of ideology - including misogyny

Totally agree 👍

His parents were desperate. To add there may be those who were severely impacted by this horrendous attack who could be reading this thread.

@JHound
Correct - I said failure to SUPPORT, not report. If you heard the extensive testimony and evidence in that case, it was clear the child was asking for support he did not get.

I wasn't conflating the two cases, I was responding to a poster that commented that juvenile mass school shooters in America had recently seen parents being held to account. Which is correct, they have. The rule of law in this country is developed BY case law. The American example was case law that may change a significant trajectory, rightly or wrongly, in America.

Clearly this evil murderer had fake ID in order to obtain these knives. He planned this , he was more than capable of getting some kind of ID.

Obviously knives are in every house, but why would an under 18 own their own knife. I can't see why they would need one.

But none of that applies here. The family seem to have been well liked, well integrated into the community and heavily involved in the local church.

I don’t know what progressive liberal values have to do with anything. His crime is akin to the school shootings you get in the USA which probably meets your “progressive liberal values criteria.”

People seem yo want to use the immigration scapegoat but it does not appear to apply here.

That was not my question - I said is it illegal?

If not there was nothing the police could do.