Killer claims to be ill

[Galatine]

According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

I’m not sure how true this is but I think I read somewhere today that they didnt come to the UK until 6 years after the genocide had taken place. I also read that they have some connections high up in the current Government. The father fought in the army I think. I can’t now find the source of where I read this today.

There’s a difference between normal
people with a mental illness and people with personality disorders who aren’t normal but aren’t ill either (a pd runs through you).

And the sane and evil. Very odd, I’m quite glad we don’t understand this lot in a way.

Their actions should be looked at but unless there is evidence of illegal activity on their part I am not sure anything can be done.

This may cause a reassessment though of the extent to which parents can be held liable for the crimes of minors.

I am definitely not going to pore over this dreadful case. I had enough sleepless nights years ago after reading about what F & R West did to those teenagers. I can imagine the tabloids are going to have a field day tomorrow. The late night channels will be making money out of this for decades. I'm prepared to leave it to the law. If the guy is genuinely sick, he will be put somewhere like Broadmoor. I don't believe we need to know any more, it does us absolutely no good and certainly doesn't help the families of the poor little girls.

It's ok, I can cope. I am a realist. There are scary people amongst us that's for sure.

I have just looked up the exact Collins definition of insane. That is a very very broad definition. You telling me this guy was normal and not disordered in any way. Come on. No disordered thinking is within the definition. Seriously.

Wasn't Jeffrey Dahmer deemed to be sane. If you know the specifics there, he had a significant difficulty regards his ability to feel empathy. It was significant

Is it possible that an insane determination at this point would impact the outcome negatively. Do we want him locked up for life. Yes certainly and will support whatever it takes to enable that in this very important high profile case. Well yes of course.

I need to go research whether one needs to have a defined mental illness under the category of DSM in order to be defined as insane. I'm genuinely interested in this hence my participation on the thread!

If that were true they would be just regular migrants then. Irrespective still no basis to have them removed from the country.

Yes, and in addition to his collection of machetes and various knives, he had a crossbow and several arrows. As he rarely left the house and had no source of income, one wonders how he managed to purchase these items.

Predictably, the parents have been rehoused for their own protection. No questions asked, no doubt.

This person is pure evil

I agree. There's so much specifically anti-female violence and it's never named for what it is - terrorism.

We don't know if the pupils he previously attacked were female and we don't know if he planned to target girls at his mixed sex school. Both may be true. It would be useful to find out. Not holding my breath though, the government's response to the grooming scandal shows they don't care about girls.

Agree but to be honest if I were them I might actually prefer to relocate back to Rwanda. I think the side the father fought for is now in power.

They should have been searching his room. He was a violent offender that was caught using a school PC to research atrocities when he was 13. If that's not cause to look inwardly as a parent as to where you've gone wrong, I don't know what is.

Reminds me of a previous job, where I saw families evicted from council housing due to ASB orders being repeatedly breached by one child in the household. The parents' defence was, "I can't be expected to know where he is 100% of the time." This didn't stand up as a defence and I don't see why any defence of the parents should be applied here either.

But this takes is back to square one - there is currently no way the police can just hold somebody, nevermind a minor, because people are worried they may be dangerous unless it was a mental health hold.

Essentially it would be holding somebody who has not committed a crime.

Yes, the definition of the word ill probably would not cover a disordered state on the severe end of psychopathy. I think semantics aside, we could under the intent when referring to one on the extreme end of psychopathy as being ' ill'. Even if that is their personality state and not a sickness / disease.

How very reassuring.

I read somewhere, and I can't remember where, that his parents reported him to police about 5 times, but nothing happened. I can't find it again now.

And this is why I roll my eyes when MN posters say their job is done as a parent as soon as they turn 16. You are still parents. If you see your kids going down the wrong path get some help.
I completely understand though (as I work in tje criminal justice system) worry and maybes don't get you help, a criminal act does. Look at all those referrals, and it didn't change anything.

That's something I hadn't thought of actually. How did a teenager with no job manage to buy all these weapons? Where did he get the money from?

We can argue they “should” have been searching his room but that’s a separate thing. I am just pointing out they woukd not necessarily know he had ricin (even if they had found it they may zero idea what it was) or a machete.

When were any of the parents you mentioned subject to jail time for their kid’s activity?

I think as some others have said that he has a serious personality disorder, devoid of empathy, seeing the world only from the viewpoint of their own poisonous mind, feeling and believing that he can do as he wants and that he is answerable to no one. It is not treatable because in essence that is who he is and how he is. An exceptionally dangerous and wicked person, hopefully he will never breath fresh air again. I am so very sorry for the bereaved parents, the wider families and friends of the 3 girls and for all others traumatised by this horrific crime

Likely pocket money. Or stealing from his parents, saving up from birthdays - lots of ways.

Apparently the police are not making statements about Rudakubana's family because of ongoing investigations. I guess they are investigating whether there is any criminal culpability involved in their actions (or lack of action).

Why would they be removed from the country? They have committed no crime and are likely Britons now so a moot point.

I would prefer to live in the home I have known most of my life (the UK) and where my other minor children live. They have been here almost 20 years.

Is this meant to be sarcasm?

Well if the parents have other children then rehousing them makes sense.