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The KKK is feeling pretty empowered

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Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 22/01/2025 17:23

This is what happens when a man like Donald Trump gets in power.

These are the people who feel empowered.

While MN celebrates the " only two genders ", people of colour in Kentucky are scared.

I've seen threads on here wishing the UK had Trump. Is this really what you want?

Is this really the type of people you want in power?

Those that voted for Trump over trans issues, what about shit like this? Or women dying from lack of abortion access? Or climate change? Or the casual revisiting of gay marriage rights?

According to GLAAD all resources referencing LGBTQ and HIV have been removed from the White House website. Gay, lesbian, no results come up in the search.

" Pages removed include WhiteHouse.gov’s equity report (no longer accessible), a fact sheet with information on expanding access to HIV prevention and treatment (no longer accessible), and information about LGBTQ Pride Month (no longer accessible). Agency page removals include Department of State’s LGBTQ rights (no longer accessible), and Department of Labor’s LGBTQ workers page (no longer accessible). "

glaad.org/releases/breaking-trump-administration-removes-lgbtq-and-hiv-resources-from-white-house-and-other-government-websites/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/22/kkk-immigrants-flyers-kentucky

This is scary shit. I don't get how any one envies?

KKK distributes flyers in Kentucky telling immigrants to ‘leave now’

Documents, including phone number and invitation to ‘join us’, distributed same day Trump took office

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/22/kkk-immigrants-flyers-kentucky

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Jumpingthruhoops · 22/01/2025 23:51

ARealitycheck · 22/01/2025 18:00

It doesn't matter what he thinks personally. His actions are all that people care about. If his actions have a positive impact on women, is that a bad thing?

Exactly this. And this is what people are failing to realise; voters will glady take his ill-judged comments with a pinch of salt if it means they can feed their kids!

In their view, these facts 'trump' feelings.

user243245346 · 22/01/2025 23:51

"It drives me mad when women say that's trans women's safety is mens problem and they need to sort it out themselves because it's not our problem. That's not how a civilised society works. It's as stupid as when women say no uterus no opinion when talking about abortion rights. Men should care about and have an opinion about abortion, caring about babies and women is normal. As is caring about other vulnerable people in society."

The point is that men are claiming we women must give up our safety to incorporate trans identified men in our private spaces. That again, we women don't matter and we must give up our privacy to be kind to men who say they are women.

Women should and do care about men and their rights. That doesn't mean we have to sacrifice our rights to go along with every want men have. We can say no. And we are.

ARealitycheck · 22/01/2025 23:56

user243245346 · 22/01/2025 23:51

"It drives me mad when women say that's trans women's safety is mens problem and they need to sort it out themselves because it's not our problem. That's not how a civilised society works. It's as stupid as when women say no uterus no opinion when talking about abortion rights. Men should care about and have an opinion about abortion, caring about babies and women is normal. As is caring about other vulnerable people in society."

The point is that men are claiming we women must give up our safety to incorporate trans identified men in our private spaces. That again, we women don't matter and we must give up our privacy to be kind to men who say they are women.

Women should and do care about men and their rights. That doesn't mean we have to sacrifice our rights to go along with every want men have. We can say no. And we are.

Well said, and whether some agree or not. The vanishly small percentage of people claiming to be a sex they weren't born as may need to accept that they are the outliers. While I do feel sympathy for those genuinely born in the wrong/conused body ie intersex. The rest I believe is down to mental illness.

anonymous98 · 23/01/2025 00:01

ShirkingFromHome95 · 22/01/2025 23:44

I also agree with that post by ARealityCheck. I took a look at the Reform website today for the first time and the front page has the below spiel. This will be relatable to a lot more Brits than crossdressers in women's toilets and hate speech laws to stop people saying that humans can't change sex, despite the latter obv being concerning developments too.

You are worse off, both financially and culturally. Wages are stagnant, we have a housing crisis, our young people struggle to get on the property ladder, we have rising crime, energy bills are some of the highest in Europe, the NHS isn’t working, both legal and illegal immigration are at record levels and woke ideology has captured our public institutions and schools.

The Conservatives have failed and Labour will fail too. A vote for either is a vote for more incompetence, dishonesty and failure.

We are ruled by an out of touch political class who have turned their backs on our country.

Reform is the alternative.

Only Reform will stand up for British culture, identity and values. We will freeze immigration and stop the boats. Restore law and order. Repair our broken public services. Cut taxes to make work pay. End government waste. Slash energy bills. Unlock real economic growth.

Only Reform will take back control over our borders, our money and our laws. Only Reform will secure Britain’s future as a free, proud and rich nation.

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God, the use of language here is so manipulative.

"Woke ideology has captured our public institutions and schools." "Woke" has become a meaningless buzzword. It used to mean something: but it doesn't mean anything, anymore, except what the right-wing dislike. I've heard things like food being described as woke (e.g avocados are woke because they're associated with younger people).

The demonisation of education in the manifesto is not coincidental. A huge thing on the American right is to demonise universities and the university-educated. That's already spreading here, which is worrying.

Restore law and order. Repair our broken public services. Cut taxes to make work pay. End government waste. Slash energy bills. Yes, and introduce a private healthcare system, but they won't mention that.

Anyway, I digress.

Sorry, not in a good mood.

PurpleFlower1983 · 23/01/2025 00:04

TheGirlattheBack · 22/01/2025 17:55

America has lots of very complex social issues that are not comparable to the UK. Trump standing up for women’s sex based rights is a good thing for their country though.

Trump doesn’t give a flying fuck about women or their rights.

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/01/2025 00:08

ShirkingFromHome95 · Yesterday 23:49

MrsSkylerWhite · Yesterday 23:48
“Labour will fail too”?
Give it a bloody chance.

Will you give Trump a chance?

Yes, as it happens. I was very surprised by his statement/challenge to Putin today. Not what I was expecting at all. If he manages to bring an end to the war (without Ukraine having to secede territory), I’ll take my hat off to him.

ARealitycheck · 23/01/2025 00:15

anonymous98 · 23/01/2025 00:01

God, the use of language here is so manipulative.

"Woke ideology has captured our public institutions and schools." "Woke" has become a meaningless buzzword. It used to mean something: but it doesn't mean anything, anymore, except what the right-wing dislike. I've heard things like food being described as woke (e.g avocados are woke because they're associated with younger people).

The demonisation of education in the manifesto is not coincidental. A huge thing on the American right is to demonise universities and the university-educated. That's already spreading here, which is worrying.

Restore law and order. Repair our broken public services. Cut taxes to make work pay. End government waste. Slash energy bills. Yes, and introduce a private healthcare system, but they won't mention that.

Anyway, I digress.

Sorry, not in a good mood.

As it happens I don't believe Reform will produce any better a governing party than any of the rest. Farage is just a good orator telling a large proportion of the population what we want to hear.

In reality the UK needs a seismic shift from party politics, to having our members of parliament voting in support of what the majority of his/her constituents wish.

As far as education is concerned, I have pointed this out in other threads. We need to start encouraging the roles we really need in our workforce and paying them accordingly.

In reality, these roles are the ones robots or computers cannot do, like wipe old peoples bottoms, provide the interpersonal care that those in distress need, wait our tables, cook our restaurant meals, stack our shelves.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 23/01/2025 00:38

user243245346 · 22/01/2025 23:37

Exactly. And I bet op is not a "person of colour" in Kentucky.

People are tired of being lectured to by white middle class liberals. Including people of colour in Kentucky and elsewhere. That was one reason Trump got in.

You are welcome to look at my posting history.

I'm a Canadian who frequently works in the US.

I'm also biracial with a black son. The KKK would absolutely not want us living there. We would be targeted.

Everyone should be fighting this shit no matter what colour they are. White people need to speak up even more because their voices can be heard by other white people in a way black people's aren't.

This just isn't the job of black people to educate the masses on how not to racist.

And actually a lot of people of colour are sick of middle class anyone who pretends racism doesn't exist or matter.

We are tired of having to tell white people that racism is a problem.

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Emptyspiral · 23/01/2025 01:29

ARealitycheck · 22/01/2025 22:51

What proof do you have to say Trump voters are all far right?

What proof do you have they are not? How many actual human beings do you know in person who voted in this election? Real actual people you have met and know in real life and not online. I know hundreds. And yes, all the Trump supporters I know are racist and far right.

Andovir · 23/01/2025 01:43

TheGirlattheBack · 22/01/2025 17:55

America has lots of very complex social issues that are not comparable to the UK. Trump standing up for women’s sex based rights is a good thing for their country though.

Let's not pretend for one single second that any of this is about Trump standing up for women's rights.

That's a fairly grotesque take on what's going on in America right now.

Andovir · 23/01/2025 01:46

ARealitycheck · 22/01/2025 22:51

What proof do you have to say Trump voters are all far right?

That reminds me of 'not all Trump voters are racist, but all racists are Trump voters.'

MarieKlepto · 23/01/2025 02:47

Trump doesn't care about women or their rights. He was instrumental in killing Roe v Wade. He's a convicted sex offender (however some people want to frame or twist that), his "only two genders" proclamation (let's not hash out the gender/sex wording, we know what he meant), is because he feels deeply freaked out at the possiblilty of interacting with a biological man who passes as a woman when he's groping away, nothing to do with women's spaces.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 23/01/2025 03:16

Indeed.

Trans women aren't much use to him when he likes to grab women by the pussy.

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JessaWoo · 23/01/2025 03:52

@user243245346

People are tired of being lectured to by white middle class liberals. Including people of colour in Kentucky and elsewhere. That was one reason Trump got in.

This makes no sense. And I'm tired of reading variations of that's why Trump won/that's why the Left lost/etc. There are many and complex reasons why the Democrats lost the election. Whenever I see this line, I think the user is a bot.

JessaWoo · 23/01/2025 03:56

@Princessconsuelabananahammock9

Those flags represented a commitment to equality in a country where it's been a continuous hard fight for equal rights.

Unfortunately, I think most people against 'woke DEI' don't have any idea what it actually means.

Ponoka7 · 23/01/2025 03:58

Emptyspiral · 22/01/2025 21:24

How are his actions positive towards women? Rape crimes soared when he was in office. The overall feeling of being unsafe as a women in public is grotesque. Never have I felt so I easy now that he has allowed the vile idea that women are just things to be so pervasive. Sex crimes and harassment in the workplace increased dramatically. Women do not have access to birth control and safe abortions. Women who need medical abortions are not allowed and many have become sterile and died waiting for their dead fetuses to be expelled "naturally." Insurance companies no longer have to cover birth control or women's health appointments. Schools are being defunded and before care and aftercare taken away as well as early childhood education such as Headstart. There is no plan for childcare or assistance for working parents. Poverty levels have dramatically increased.

I work in US healthcare and you clearly have no idea how absolutely devastating this man has been to womens rights and healthcare. It is disgusting and the defense of this vile man is unbelievably naive and ludicrous.

As horrific as that is, one aspect that isn't being discussed is how Trump cut aid across Africa for contraception, abortion and maternity care. Women and girls are dying because of those policies. I'm just linking one quickly found article, but the information is easy to find. Trump being elected will affect all of us.
https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2023/trump-era-policy-on-global-aid-curtailed-family-planning-services-in-africa/

Trump-Era Policy on Global Aid Curtailed Family Planning Services in Africa

A new study has found that the Protecting Life in Global Health Assistancepolicy, formerly known as the Mexico City Policy, reduced the provision and use of contraceptives, as well as community health volunteer services, in African countries.

https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2023/trump-era-policy-on-global-aid-curtailed-family-planning-services-in-africa

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 23/01/2025 04:13

Oh my gosh that's awful.

Thank you for sharing that. I had no idea. , 😞

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Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 05:02

ShirkingFromHome95 · 22/01/2025 22:59

People always bang on about fruit pickers but I don't think there are that many people doing this as a full time occupation

I have several family members who have been full time fruit pickers. The farms they worked on had multiple crops so they were always busy.

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 05:17

MarieKlepto · 23/01/2025 02:47

Trump doesn't care about women or their rights. He was instrumental in killing Roe v Wade. He's a convicted sex offender (however some people want to frame or twist that), his "only two genders" proclamation (let's not hash out the gender/sex wording, we know what he meant), is because he feels deeply freaked out at the possiblilty of interacting with a biological man who passes as a woman when he's groping away, nothing to do with women's spaces.

How very dismissive of feminist’s efforts to successfully campaign to enact change.

The EO was the result of years of work by women campaigning to have sex prioritised, without ambiguity, when sex based rights need to be clear to protect female people. You can declare that it is Trump manipulating voting public by putting it through and that is fine. I doubt many feminists believe that he would do it if it wasn’t to sing votes. He is not driven by an overall need to support female people in this way.

The EO is clear that it refers to sex. It is clear that it refers to a person’s sexed body type. It resets the priority to be given to sex when this is needed to protect female people.

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 23/01/2025 05:17

I will probably get flamed for this but abortion rights are being massively abused anyway.
I mean if a woman is raped or there is something wrong with the baby or mother that could result in serious injury or death than if course it should be available, but killing a fetus because you couldn't be bothered to take precautions (both parties) then it shouldn't be used as a form of contraception.
If you don't want to get pregnant, don't have sex or use something.
I for one think it's a great thing for America and the rest of the world to have Trump back in. The man is not wrong on so many things.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 23/01/2025 05:23

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 23/01/2025 05:17

I will probably get flamed for this but abortion rights are being massively abused anyway.
I mean if a woman is raped or there is something wrong with the baby or mother that could result in serious injury or death than if course it should be available, but killing a fetus because you couldn't be bothered to take precautions (both parties) then it shouldn't be used as a form of contraception.
If you don't want to get pregnant, don't have sex or use something.
I for one think it's a great thing for America and the rest of the world to have Trump back in. The man is not wrong on so many things.

Can I ask how many children you have adopted?

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RichPetunia · 23/01/2025 05:28

Arealitycheck I couldn't have said it better myself.

anonymous98 · 23/01/2025 05:46

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 23/01/2025 05:17

I will probably get flamed for this but abortion rights are being massively abused anyway.
I mean if a woman is raped or there is something wrong with the baby or mother that could result in serious injury or death than if course it should be available, but killing a fetus because you couldn't be bothered to take precautions (both parties) then it shouldn't be used as a form of contraception.
If you don't want to get pregnant, don't have sex or use something.
I for one think it's a great thing for America and the rest of the world to have Trump back in. The man is not wrong on so many things.

You do realise that stripping back abortion rights also affects maternity care. Drs will be more hesitant to treat miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies etc. leading to women DYING.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 23/01/2025 05:49

Which is exactly what is happening. Three women have already died from this.

The ignorance is staggering.

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Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 23/01/2025 05:52

anonymous98 · 23/01/2025 05:46

You do realise that stripping back abortion rights also affects maternity care. Drs will be more hesitant to treat miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies etc. leading to women DYING.

Sorry but that's completely different.
I dont think the two are related. The lack of medical care in these instances in the uk are most certainly down to a short staffing problem, I don't know about the US admittedly but i don't see how cutting back on abortion especially pregnancy in the later stages can be related to natural miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies.