To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

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Trump has been going hell for leather since his inauguration it seems, things are changing fast - Trump likes the UK, but he doesn't like Starmer. Starmer seems out of sync with the changing tide, and seems (to me) to get it wrong and make it worse everytime he opens his mouth. AIBU in wondering how long Starmer can hang on?

You can’t pin illegal migrants, cost of living and knife crime on Starmer. He has barely been in power and rises the past few years are down to the Tories nobody else- NHS, MH, education, SEN , police funding all plummeted whilst contracts were made for mates. What do you expect?They lied about Brexit and the impact on CofL( we’re only just seeing the start of the impact). And as for immigration the only policy they cared anout( to keep backbenchers happy) they screwed that up too with yet more vanity by projects.

And what do you mean by normal and resilience?

The starter of this thread admits to voting Reform...a knee jerk, no policy, racist , populist mouthpiece with an appalling manifesto and dodgy funding.

Sadly there are too many posters like this that will sweep the far right into power, led by Farage, at the next election. People just do not have a moral compass anymore.

The clamour to believe an unashamed, proud Fascist in Elon Musk on this site shows a very worrying trend in this country.

Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse in this country, and it won't be because a good man - a much better person than the last three Prime Ministers - has an incredibly difficult job to do undoing the incompetence corruption and self serving greed of the last Government.

And as for turning to reform 🤣 nice try but that so isn’t happening. Even less likely to happen now we’ve got the US car crash to sit back and watch. Nazi salutes, ICE trying to enter schools and day care, withdrawal from WHO( already blocking coverage of bird flu) alongside Kennedybin charge of health,withdrawal of diversity departments and employment with threats of consequences, ignoring of climate change even though the world is burning and they already have huge states suffering from extreme weather conditions and fire, deciding land belongs to the US…..and that’s before we look at the dire health system they have.

Sound familiar? Maybe read up on the run up to World War 2. At times like this I think most “ normal people” appreciate the democracy we have( which America is rapidly losing ) alongside valuing human kindness and sanity.

Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse in this country, and it won't be because a good man - a much better person than the last three Prime Ministers - has an incredibly difficult job to do undoing the incompetence corruption and self serving greed of the last Government.

I agree but re things getting worse I think it will mean we will be poorer for a while whilst we get services back on track. Instead of the Tory empty sound bites of “we’re all in this together” when the rich most definitely weren’t we now will be which is why we have more chance of better services and a more stable country under this government . I think the vast majority know and are resigned to this.

And as for turning to reform 🤣 nice try but that so isn’t happening.

They are already polling higher than Labour and there's a fair way to go

The desperation in clinging to polls because you have nothing else is palpable. We’re 4 years away from an election.🤣 Check back in 3 years time.

I think pps have difficulty grasping the concept that polls are not static and that they change over time.

The desperation in clinging to polls because you have nothing else is palpable. We’re 4 years away from an election.🤣 Check back in 3 years time.

I mean you can do the whole line of emojis, cry laugh your head off and all that, but it won't change the reality of how much support Labour has lost

The only thing they have so far is how early they've managed to do it, has any new gov lost it this quickly?

It's not the glowing feedback your posts would suggest

@Ch01c3s and @Guinessandafire I agree with both of you.

I saw Wes Streeting being interviewed yesterday on how they need to start to scrutinise Reform / Farage head-on and thoroughly in terms of policies, funding, etc, which I think is something they really need to do - sunlight is the best disinfectant. It will be interesting to see if/how they cope long-term, especially as the EDL/Tommy Robinson supporters they’ve courted already seem to have turned on Farage.

But I do think the government also need to take a close look at traditional, old Labour areas/voters who voted for Brexit, then for Johnson and are now supporting Reform - places where there have been long-standing Labour councils and MPs, but obviously under a Tory government and all of their mess. I think it was Jonathan Reynolds talking about this just after the election, how they’d spoken to many ‘good people’ voting for Reform whose leaders/MPs were not ‘good people’… I think Labour need to take hold of ‘the story’ a bit more, if that makes sense, which is difficult for them with MSM being as it is.

Also, sadly, I think it’s partly the era we’re in - constant news cycles, immediate gratification with no patience, focus on popularity and being social media savvy.

That's really rude. So you honestly believe that people who are engaged enough in politics to keep abreast of these things are unaware that polls can change?

What it is indicative of is a current crashing loss of confidence in the established parties and current policy.

I'm happy to chat away with people who I don't agree with and tell you how I arrived at my opinions and even change my own if presented with new information. But to then take all that and just summarise other posters as idiots is so very disappointing but I suppose it's typical.

@ByMerryKoala yep I think insults are used when there's a loss of argument

I don't think Labour can rely on that anymore

It would just be nice to disagree in good faith with usual levels of politeness.

Snark and sarcasm had been driving Labour's position for a few years on mn, plus using 'bot' of course, and the usual cry laugh emoji thrown in

Labour are doing too badly to keep with that

I didn't call anyone an idiot. But it is true that some posters seem to want to believe that the polls won't change in any way between now and 2028/2029.

I wasn't referring to you, btw. You seem like a decent person who it is worth having a conversation with. I am sorry that my post offended you.

The real tears and emojis will start when the welfare cuts are announced. I mean RR actually doing an exclusive for the red tops - declaring her war in sickness benefits. It’s almost like she knows support is collapsing and people are heading to Reform - she’s literally appealing the main audience.

But it is true that some posters seem to want to believe that the polls won't change in any way between now and 2028/2029.

Can you point out which post or poster?

God yes

Not really if they reduce waiting lists, sort the broken MH system and actually support people into work. Many many people are stuck on benefits because waiting list for all sorts of treatment are ridiculously long. The difference with labour and Tory is Labour will look at cause and try to do something about it whereas Tory will just slash budgets already rock bottom without doing anything about cause or waiting lists.

We've had poll crashes before under the Tories and yet they ended up reelected, so making assumptions on anything based on polling is a fool's errand. Public opinion is more volatile than it has ever been. Any belief that Labour will be out in 2029 based on current polls is no more than wishful thinking. If a week is a long time in politics, four and a half years is an eternity.

And they may well be in a worse position by then.

They're not static as anyone can see since each week they go down further

Well no party wanted this gig for a reason, sorting the mess the Tories left would make any government unpopular .Tories didn’t want to sort the mess they caused for sure. Reform has no policies so is well aware they can’t sort the country out. They just want to swoop in when it’s all over as they just ride on sound bites, ditto the Tories as we all know. When Labour start sorting the under funding of services, the waiting lists, crumbling school buildings, trade with Europe, the Tory Brexit aftermath car crash…..to name but a few popularity will rise and 4 years is a long time for that to happen. Don’t think you seemed to care about Tory unpopularity when they were in power .Why was that? A sceptic might think that somebody so invested and focused on Labour popularity ( and little else) iin the early days of government is trying( and failing) to whip up some kind of storm. It really is dull and really highlights desperation alongside a serious lack of a Tory plan.

@Ch01c3s feel free to filter all news, commentary and polls so you can see Labour in as positive position as you want

I can't say I care what you access, but it dies t make their situation go away

And you are in the minority rn, 70% think similarly so I guess you'll have to hide or accept it

Or they may be much better. I know you would rather they didn't, but you don't know any more than anyone else.

Ditto to you @pointythings

Although a few years ago I could see the right would go up in the western world and I can't say I'm surprised by what's happening

I had the same posters back then with similar backlash

I'm not surprised by what's happening in the world either, it's just that I don't pretend to know what is going to happen and never have. Unlike your good self, it appears.